dell 2407WFP

[TdC]

aha I see. well I have a nice HIFI thing for movies. I only play pc based games and browse the interwebnet from my poota tbh.

so if games are where it's at, you're saying that it doesn't matter I gather. I suppose that the only criteria then become DVI and a decent picture quality, and a decent price. Which prolly means that Dell is good enough.

I'm aware of their firmware thingy. I shall indeed ask for that A0* thing and go for at least the 03 version if possible if I go for a Dell. They seem the best "budget" option tbh.

 

[Ch3tan]

So Vista requires HDCP over HDMI, and will not accept Dvi with HDMI?

THe issues with pip and other bugs with the Dell have been fixed apprently, people were only moaning about the first batch.

 

[inactionman]

So Vista requires HDCP over HDMI, and will not accept Dvi with HDMI?

I assume you meant HDCP over DVI. Apparently HDCP will be required (at some point in the future) by the movie studios for the display of HD content (HD-DVD, Bluray, HD downloads, etc), but everything else will be fine without it. They don't care if it's over DVI or HDMI, but I'm sure HDCP only supports the normal HD formats. Eventually you'll probably have similar requirements for sound with HDMI speakers and soundcards.

The only real reason to recommend the Benq over the Dell is due to the current lack of 1080i/p support, the current bugs (but there may be similar bugs in the Benq) and if you want to spend more money (for an interesting, and possibly useful, feature) the BFI (Black Frame Indexing). The plus point for the Dell is the pixel mapping, aso you don't need to resort to Nvidia driver jiggery pokery.

BFI apparently works by displaying a completely black screen every 60 or so frames to clear the viewer's persistence of vision, the end result supposedly almost completely eliminates ghosting in movies (which apparently cannot be fixed with higher refresh rates alone). This normally happens on a CRT display once the electron beam passes, but does not on a normal LCD display, hence with fast moving movies etc. some people still see ghosting/blur.

And the PIP problem, amongst others, is apparently still live in the latest Dell firmware revision, although they probably will eventually be fixed:

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&message.id=64176

 

[Yaka]

anyone tried the 2407 over component with x360 and ps2?

 

[Clown]

I can try if you really want me to Yaka, what's the follow up question?

 

[Yaka]

just cheack it mate, see if it gives pic quality is good on ps2 for 480p games, and x360 @ 720p and 1080i see if both res are like 1:1 mode

 

[Ch3tan]

I read that the first batch wouldn't do more than 480p over component, but that it has been fixed with the latest versions.

I was really keen to upgrade from the 2405 to the 2407 but I dont see anything that has really improved apart from the hdcp over dvi.

 

[Panda On Smack]

http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=59234

Dell just dropped the price so its nearer eBay costs

 

[inactionman]

Saw that, plus the Benq is now coming out end of October, apparently.

Still you may be best off getting one from an ebay seller, just because one of the ads specifically advertised an A03 revision, which I bet Dell themselves won't do.

At ~£550 for a 24" monitor, it's well worth buying. Although I'll probably wait for the Benq, as I'll be using it as a TV as well.

 

[TdC]

edit: bastards. 801 euros. 899 a week ago!

 

[Yaka]

I read that the first batch wouldn't do more than 480p over component, but that it has been fixed with the latest versions.

I was really keen to upgrade from the 2405 to the 2407 but I dont see anything that has really improved apart from the hdcp over dvi.

yeah but on soem other forums it looks worse side by side with a 2405

i am gonna up grade my pc with hope dell 3007 and with either if i can find a new 2405 or 2407, that would be me sorted for a couple of years at least

 

[Rubber Bullets]

Well thanks to this thread I have finally bitten the bullet and ordered one of these, and a 7900GTO to go with it. Couldn't afford a full 7900GTX at the same time, and this ought to do the trick if Chets old 9800 can drive it.

On that score Chet, what res do you play CoH at? What detail levels? I'm hoping that the new card will play it at least as well at 1920x1200 as my current 6600GT runs it at 1024x768.

Also will the monitor ship with a DVI cable or will I have to get one separately?

By the way in terms of cost nowhere seems to beat this place.

RB

 

[Clown]

Can I not answer?

I'm running CoH at 1920x1200, with a 7900GTX. The in-game stress test tells me I get average of 40fps with all the shit turned on and high, but I've not noticed any slow down with the graphics as it isn't an first person shooter. The monitor came with a DVI cable and a VGA one, but with no power cable. Dell doesn't see the point in shipping two different kinds of power cable in every box for Europe.

I did try playing in 1680x1050 scaled down, but it didn't make much difference, although I admit it didn't look as bad as I thought it used to, when stretching things to fit the screen.

 

[Rubber Bullets]

Can I not answer?

Of course Clown, all input welcome I had a feeling you had SLI for some reason.

That sounds very encouraging, I've seen your screen shot and it does look good.

My 6600GT can't play with everything on high, mostly medium I guess, no shadows. The ingame stress test is all about close ups anyway and is probably a bit better than you'll get ingame with the normal view.

Thanks Clown

RB

 

[Ch3tan]

I have to run it at 1024*768 to get a decent performance (and stop crashes!), but the monitor does handle scaling very well. PLus if you use the option that is in ati control panal and should be on nvidias, you can select a lower res and have the grahics card scale it up to fit your native res.

 

[Clown]

Or just center it 1:1 because it looks even better.

 

[Rubber Bullets]

Does 1:1 in this instance mean that 4:3 ratio resolutions are displayed with black borders down the sides? I have been reading something on the widescreen forums that suggest that the 2407 doesn't like doing this. My laptop with a native resolution of 1280x768 can quite happily run at 1024x768 with black borders for games that don't support widescreen. Surely it's in the drivers not the monitor?

RB

 

[Ch3tan]

1:1 doesnt look better if you are running a 4:3 res or a lower 16:10 res. Scaling it looks better. So there.

Personal taste I suppose, yes when you scale it up you get see more pixels, but you also get 24" of screen displaying your game. The better choice is just to have a powerhouse PC and run the games at native res People with more money than sense like Clown and Teedles can do this

 

[Clown]

How does scaling look better? You're adding blocks of pixels that aren't even meant to be there. RB, if you're running 1024x768, it means that ONLY 1024x768 pixels will be displayed on the screen, so you would end up with black borders everywhere. Not every monitor can do this. There's also the option that Chetan is talking about, where it scales upwards and keeps it's aspect ratio. Only do this if you're blind and you can't see the small picture in 1:1. Then there's the worst thing ever; stretching to fit. Why do people even do this?

 

[Rubber Bullets]

I have more money than sense, it's not hard.

Sadly it is not because I have lots of money, it is just that I have very little sense

I'll just have to have a play when the thing arrives and see what appeals most. It is not only Chet who says this thing scales well, but I have to agree with Clown, stretch to fit is devils work.

RB

 

[Yaka]

in most games id say youd be hard pressed to notice i run coh on lower settings stretched to fit seems ok to me. in films and stuff you will notice stretching.

on my 2405 i have ps2 and x360 set to fit the screen and its not too much of problem.

 

[Ch3tan]

Yaka, I have my 360 set to 1080i, and the monitor on 1:1. It leaves only very slim black bars top and bottom. No point setting that to stretch.