Daoc's top 5 talentless classes (melee or hybrids)
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You played a melee ranger when they were the most OP stealther class, you're playing a melee hunter now, the most OP stealther class.
You are making all kind of stupid OP threads and rate the classes even wrong.
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My Armsman is 2H since since almost the beginning and I never solo'ed with my Sorc with ML9/SoI/MoC3, so what is your point again?
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FOTM stands for flavour or the month not flavour of the 4 years.
When you play a class that long your gonna have good times and bad times. The good times on the ranger I think never lasted as long as the bad times... (see hidden era)
Like I say melee ranger has never been the most OP stealther (and only playing one tells you that, no one has played it more than me) I did well on it as it was high RR and I was fast out of the blocks, thats about it... If I came accross a similiar RR (huggers, Diablo, Eul, papsan, chief, aarudry etc etc) they would do horrible horrible things to me... I could win ofc but it was never pretty or easy... and certainly didnt feel at an advantage
I certainly wouldnt say hunter is the most OP stealther now. You could argue it depends on playstyle though... With a hunter if you spec 50 pet and rest bow, and buff your pet, Im not so sure how other sneaks are physically going to be able to kill you. I have not played that spec but I can imagine it would be rather annoying
If you play a hunter like I do, full melee, it certainly doesnt feel OP to me... I consistently loose fights to assasins where I basically cant hit them while my hits fly off at an alarming rate... Theres a long list of visuals that I cant even touch... Im pretty sure as well a good mincer would pwn me.
The only thing I feel confident fighting is ranger, scouts (not come accross a decent one yet since the block live patch), and roglords...
maybe I just sux though.... cant all be as leet as you manish...
Hehe, you're a funny guy Censi (hello!) 
Since i've not made any template (although got my 4 artis to lvl 10, whopidoo!) as of yet for my VW, I've decided to play it more like a caster.
Thus with 2200 hp(cl10), no resists to speak of AND 174 quickness fully buffed wielding a slow 2-handed scythe (meaning that enemis could take a nap inbetween my swings), only caster ra's and not even ML1... I could go on, but the thing is that i choose to play it like a caster, for the fun of it (and since 99% of all VW's seems to play melee, I'm not fond of fotm specs - unless i was the 1th one to succefully use a special spec (as with my thane), then I feel I'm pretty much entitled to it.
You got a pet, ranged interrupts and quite nice melee on your relatively high rr (compared to my vw anyway) and your hunter has the advantage of attacking me when I least suspects it.
I use a vw the wrong way that will yield poor performance (if reading most vw threads made of experienced and/or high rr vw players).
Instead of using a pure caster with qc stun nukenukenukenukenuke i use a vw that have to be in melee to either stun or root (meaning I'll lose important seconds when trying to switch to casting.
I choose to play as a caster with my hybrid, just as you choose to play as a melee-stealther instead as an stealthing archer with melee as backup.
What can I say? Learn to use your advantages in a right way vs different classes/enemies playstyle. Oh haven't thought of any as of yet?
Here, some free advices: Pop pet after i melee rooted you and is legging back, at the same time interrrupt me with your bow (no not for the dmg, but to stop me from nuking). Or just but alot of det and might be able to get one cast one time before the root is gone.
Just because attacking from stealth, popping pet and melee away works most of the time and didn't work 1-3 times vs my gimp VW, just because of that you shouldn't start to whine at once (well thats my opinion at least).
Since i've not made any template (although got my 4 artis to lvl 10, whopidoo!) as of yet for my VW, I've decided to play it more like a caster.
Thus with 2200 hp(cl10), no resists to speak of AND 174 quickness fully buffed wielding a slow 2-handed scythe (meaning that enemis could take a nap inbetween my swings), only caster ra's and not even ML1... I could go on, but the thing is that i choose to play it like a caster, for the fun of it (and since 99% of all VW's seems to play melee, I'm not fond of fotm specs - unless i was the 1th one to succefully use a special spec (as with my thane), then I feel I'm pretty much entitled to it.
You got a pet, ranged interrupts and quite nice melee on your relatively high rr (compared to my vw anyway) and your hunter has the advantage of attacking me when I least suspects it.
I use a vw the wrong way that will yield poor performance (if reading most vw threads made of experienced and/or high rr vw players).
Instead of using a pure caster with qc stun nukenukenukenukenuke i use a vw that have to be in melee to either stun or root (meaning I'll lose important seconds when trying to switch to casting.
I choose to play as a caster with my hybrid, just as you choose to play as a melee-stealther instead as an stealthing archer with melee as backup.
What can I say? Learn to use your advantages in a right way vs different classes/enemies playstyle. Oh haven't thought of any as of yet?
Here, some free advices: Pop pet after i melee rooted you and is legging back, at the same time interrrupt me with your bow (no not for the dmg, but to stop me from nuking). Or just but alot of det and might be able to get one cast one time before the root is gone.
Just because attacking from stealth, popping pet and melee away works most of the time and didn't work 1-3 times vs my gimp VW, just because of that you shouldn't start to whine at once (well thats my opinion at least).
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It's a bit dismissive to classify a class like this, a lot of the mentioned classes with certain specs can be quite complicated to play properly.
As this is a bit of a QQ thread my opinion is simply fight what you want to fight and if you think a class is op or "tallentless" and is going to anger you enough to make a thread about it, simply don't fight them.
It's supposed to be fun
As this is a bit of a QQ thread my opinion is simply fight what you want to fight and if you think a class is op or "tallentless" and is going to anger you enough to make a thread about it, simply don't fight them.
It's supposed to be fun
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scout is probably more overpowered then a hunter if meleespecced, and i really don't see how assassins are inferiour to a hunter either. poison > all
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I would tend to agree with you in terms of sneak V sneak, I think the Melee hunter has the DPS and pet interupt which makes it a stronger caster kill... Scout has survivability and can engange and stun ftw...
I am starting to think scouts are weak though and need to come accross a VF to bring me back down to earth with an "omg wtf nerf" thump....
are there any decent scouts on dyvet?
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Doesn`t Kagato have a quote from you Censi complimenting him on making a crap class skillfull?
not entirly!
I have the greatest respect for kato... he picked his class from day one... loves it and played it... and was strong...
he played it back in the day when no on else did... he would carry on playing it if it got nerffed into the ground.. he would carry on playing it if they made it even more powerfull (if thats possible)
So I think about 2 years ago I said that too him... in his gratz thread.. I think it struck an emotional nerve and the lemon wont remove it from his sig... but you see shrewsbury the difference between me and you (apart from the fact your a ****) is that I actually have some respect for the people I fight...
but now ofc he is just another FOTM armsman according to bipolo
One bad thing about kato though is he will never conceed his class is even slightley above average... AKA Armsman rrr5 is ridiculous - no its not! as you dont have to attack one! etc etc....
1. thane
2. minstrel
3. Hunter
4. Infiltrator
5. Shadowblade
You HAVE got to be taking the piss.
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i wouldn't say they are OP but sometimes i feel like im attacking a brick wall against a mincer with warguard ^-^
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pet mincer with purple con buffed pet... prolly gonna be a tough nut to crack??
I think personally the minstral class roxs...
but it has to roam around the fringes.... play to the timers...
if you go into the sneak populated areas you eat PA's and if your timers are down your gonna struggle... but then again if you want to get away you have 1001 ways to do it....
its a slow ginding killer with lots of toys... good class.
"im guessing eithor once you have played the class a bit more you will realise its pretty pointless to chain root and LT.
if not then no worries..."
Now let's see at that first post you did:
"2) VW. Very close second to armsman. If you dont want to loose a melee encounter on this class you dont have to... Anytime root no immunity. Kite LT. Rinse repeat... (strong enough that it doesnt need to do this, but the shittier the player the more they gonna abuse it (hello eithor!)"
Am I the only one that feel that 2 comments/citats is in conflict with each other? Both pointless and abusive? Hehe, keep them comments going m8
If I've 90% of my template and ra's aimed for casting(re-read my former post), one might think that it would be pointless to stand my ground in melee if I could avoid it.
if not then no worries..."
Now let's see at that first post you did:
"2) VW. Very close second to armsman. If you dont want to loose a melee encounter on this class you dont have to... Anytime root no immunity. Kite LT. Rinse repeat... (strong enough that it doesnt need to do this, but the shittier the player the more they gonna abuse it (hello eithor!)"
Am I the only one that feel that 2 comments/citats is in conflict with each other? Both pointless and abusive? Hehe, keep them comments going m8
If I've 90% of my template and ra's aimed for casting(re-read my former post), one might think that it would be pointless to stand my ground in melee if I could avoid it.
Exactly. The minstrel cannot be played without some sort of talent because it is not a one button class. A well played petstrel is just that and if anyone ever saw the likes of Alpha play the class will realise what a talent he had.
Also bare in mind that the minstrel has had no loving for at least 3 years so it lags way behind other classes these days.
To me a talentless class is anything that is remotely "easymode". In the list I would include sorcs, warlocks etc.
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hunters are a pain in the ass to kill for a scout, the pet reduces blocking rate so much it isn't even funny. either I have been extremely unlucky or multiple opponents cast some sort of invisible defencedebuff that lasts a minute+.
every fight vs a hunter I have killed the pet on inc, but for some reason the hunter kept on hitting through shield way more then any other class (including heavytanks) has done. really strange.
rangers however.. they are so pathetic now. if equal rr I'm shocked if the scout gets below 50% at all. and assassins.. well, pretty much freefrags at equal rr, and against higher rr ones its hoping for purge and then still poison might be a killer
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censi you was, you are, and you ever will be the biggest lemon on fh.
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Well the tactic suggested by hunters vs scouts is to allow the pet the 1st hit per round of attack and they will defo land their hit as you can only block one attacker per round. Assassins shouldn't have any problems with scouts, unless they're the usuall pack of morons that has no idea on how to reapply and they just spam anytimes.
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thats really not true, multiple attackers just reduces blocking chance overall.
and reapplying poisons is a bitch against 70-80%+ blockrate
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thats really not true, multiple attackers just reduces blocking chance overall.
and reapplying poisons is a bitch against 70-80%+ blockrate
No i think you find there small med large shield for a reason not not sure how long a game round is but i think small dose 2 in one 1 med is 3 or 4 and large is 7 or im just makeing this all up becuse im
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No i think you find there small med large shield for a reason not not sure how long a game round is but i think small dose 2 in one 1 med is 3 or 4 and large is 7 or im just makeing this all up becuse im
small gets a penalty with 2 or more, medium with 3 or more, large with 4 or more attackers
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You're soo wrong mate. If nothing else just pretend that you have some knowledge of how things work.
edit: it's 1 for small, 2 for medium, 3 for large btw
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you read it wrong
he said the penilty kicks in with 2+ on a small shield thus it has normal block rate vs 1 enemy
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Lol...
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Actually I think it was in one of your grats threads :england:
And it's not a case of conceding about my class, I just think theres far more overpowered things out there already, i.e any HoT class at all.
As for whats over powered, it's all relative to the class you play yourself, but in general shears, HoT's, disease and the melee defense triangle need a serious looking at.
