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dysfunction said:
The number of infected is rising again:

www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Daily cases highest since mid-June

The number of new positive test results has risen to 1,522 in the past 24 hours.
www.bbc.co.uk

Hopefully with the current methods it will be kept under control and won't get to March/April rates
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We cannot afford another lockdown. Also the R rate is going to fluctuate for months and months. Shit times.
 
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Deebs said:
We cannot afford another lockdown. Also the R rate is going to fluctuate for months and months. Shit times.
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I don't think we will go back to the March/April lockdown again. But instead have more targeted ones in local hot spots unless things really get out of hand.
 
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dysfunction said:
I don't think we will go back to the March/April lockdown again. But instead have more targeted ones in local hot spots unless things really get out of hand.
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They've done that here in three counties, but in reality if it happens in Dublin that's effectively half the country shut down anyway. Having said that; watching my kids go back to school yesterday... the rate is going to shoot back up, its absolutely inevitable. The school are doing their best, but its pure herding cats territory.
 
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DaGaffer said:
They've done that here in three counties, but in reality if it happens in Dublin that's effectively half the country shut down anyway. Having said that; watching my kids go back to school yesterday... the rate is going to shoot back up, its absolutely inevitable. The school are doing their best, but its pure herding cats territory.
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Rate has shot up here since schools reopened a few weeks ago :(
 
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Looks like France and Spain are hitting a second wave, hard.
 
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Increase in spread or are hospitalisation levels up?
 
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Reported cases, France had 7379 yesterday, their peak in March was 7578. Mostly in the young...which bodes well for when all the kids go back to school next week here.
 
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On the up side it is milder in kids
 
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dysfunction said:
Yes that is true but no real proof that they don't spread the virus around.
Kids can carry the virus for 3 weeks or so.

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It's fucking obvious that kids are spreaders who don't get ill.

We're mincing around with the "we've no evidence that they spread it" - of course we don't - we've never done the science to prove it - but absen e of evidence isn't evidence of absence and that's the whole reason behind the precautionary principle.

We're ditching that principle because someone deems kids in school > increased death. Period.

As for the lack of evidence - we are very happy to do drugs trials on monkeys, pigs and rats and use that to inform us how things would go for humans.

Well we've reams of evidence that adult humans spread the virus to other humans. So why are we not using this to inform us about spreading to not-quite-as-old but still human humans?

It's because those that are in charge want to create "it might be OK" in the minds of millions of terrified parents and old people when they, quite sensibly, know that letting kids ditch social distancing (which effectively is what school is) means faster and more widespread virus.

Don't dress it up. Just say - yes, it's dangerous, but we're doing it. Just don't hug granny. She'll probably kark it.



The alternative is systemic change that prioritises human safety and quality of life over profit - but nobody is up for that, so...
 
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Stick an infectious kid in a care home.

oh why wont youdo that if they want proof.
 
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It's fucking obvious that kids are spreaders who don't get ill.

We're mincing around with the "we've no evidence that they spread it" - of course we don't - we've never done the science to prove it - but absen e of evidence isn't evidence of absence and that's the whole reason behind the precautionary principle.

We're ditching that principle because someone deems kids in school > increased death. Period.

As for the lack of evidence - we are very happy to do drugs trials on monkeys, pigs and rats and use that to inform us how things would go for humans.

Well we've reams of evidence that adult humans spread the virus to other humans. So why are we not using this to inform us about spreading to not-quite-as-old but still human humans?

It's because those that are in charge want to create "it might be OK" in the minds of millions of terrified parents and old people when they, quite sensibly, know that letting kids ditch social distancing (which effectively is what school is) means faster and more widespread virus.

Don't dress it up. Just say - yes, it's dangerous, but we're doing it. Just don't hug granny. She'll probably kark it.



The alternative is systemic change that prioritises human safety and quality of life over profit - but nobody is up for that, so...
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Yes I quite agree. I really should have specifically said that in my post but didn't.
 
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Scouse said:
It's fucking obvious that kids are spreaders who don't get ill.

We're mincing around with the "we've no evidence that they spread it" - of course we don't - we've never done the science to prove it - but absen e of evidence isn't evidence of absence and that's the whole reason behind the precautionary principle.

We're ditching that principle because someone deems kids in school > increased death. Period.

As for the lack of evidence - we are very happy to do drugs trials on monkeys, pigs and rats and use that to inform us how things would go for humans.

Well we've reams of evidence that adult humans spread the virus to other humans. So why are we not using this to inform us about spreading to not-quite-as-old but still human humans?

It's because those that are in charge want to create "it might be OK" in the minds of millions of terrified parents and old people when they, quite sensibly, know that letting kids ditch social distancing (which effectively is what school is) means faster and more widespread virus.

Don't dress it up. Just say - yes, it's dangerous, but we're doing it. Just don't hug granny. She'll probably kark it.



The alternative is systemic change that prioritises human safety and quality of life over profit - but nobody is up for that, so...
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100% agree.

The problem is that kids will do what their parents tell them, and if they love Boris they'll do exactly what you've said and think that they can't spread it, so they'll probably end up playing 'covid chase' in the playground to get a couple of days of school.

I also think that teachers and parents should get way more choice of what they decide to do for their selves; if they're living with vulnerable people or are vulnerable their selves the Government should be stepping up and suggesting ways that teachers and kids limit their contact with other people.

But we're shoving up to 40 kids into classrooms designed for 30 and hoping for the best.
 
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Gwadien said:
100% agree.

The problem is that kids will do what their parents tell them, and if they love Boris they'll do exactly what you've said and think that they can't spread it, so they'll probably end up playing 'covid chase' in the playground to get a couple of days of school.

I also think that teachers and parents should get way more choice of what they decide to do for their selves; if they're living with vulnerable people or are vulnerable their selves the Government should be stepping up and suggesting ways that teachers and kids limit their contact with other people.

But we're shoving up to 40 kids into classrooms designed for 30 and hoping for the best.
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Quite interesting. Love Boris. Lol. You live in a very polarised world.
 
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Scouse said:
It's fucking obvious that kids are spreaders who don't get ill.

We're mincing around with the "we've no evidence that they spread it" - of course we don't - we've never done the science to prove it - but absen e of evidence isn't evidence of absence and that's the whole reason behind the precautionary principle.

We're ditching that principle because someone deems kids in school > increased death. Period.

As for the lack of evidence - we are very happy to do drugs trials on monkeys, pigs and rats and use that to inform us how things would go for humans.

Well we've reams of evidence that adult humans spread the virus to other humans. So why are we not using this to inform us about spreading to not-quite-as-old but still human humans?

It's because those that are in charge want to create "it might be OK" in the minds of millions of terrified parents and old people when they, quite sensibly, know that letting kids ditch social distancing (which effectively is what school is) means faster and more widespread virus.

Don't dress it up. Just say - yes, it's dangerous, but we're doing it. Just don't hug granny. She'll probably kark it.



The alternative is systemic change that prioritises human safety and quality of life over profit - but nobody is up for that, so...
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Yes, theres no evidence that rabbits can explode, but probably best to stay at least 20ft away from them just in case
 
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Um, not sure how that relates to Covid, but yeah, the voices man, THE VOICES,
 
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Job said:
Yes, theres no evidence that rabbits can explode, but probably best to stay at least 20ft away from them just in case
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When people use metaphor it's useful if it makes a clear point - the reader or listener normally immediately understands the point being made.

You, my friend, make no sense at the best of times - so it's probably best if you spell out clearly what you're trying to say.
 
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When people use metaphor it's useful if it makes a clear point - the reader or listener normally immediately understands the point being made.

You, my friend, make no sense at the best of times - so it's probably best if you spell out clearly what you're trying to say.
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It was pretty clear to me. He said rabbits explode so you should stay away from them.
 
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No deal Brexit is pretty much in the bag now so the telegraph can dump clueless Boris happily.
 
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Let's face it though, Dominic Cummings will get re-elected because they'll blame the lock down and therefore the decline of the economy on lefty remainers.
 
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I think they’d be happy to be rid of Boris. He can take the blame for everything that goes wrong for the next couple of years and leave the next Tory leader blameless in the eyes of the Tory press.

Cummings would still be around if Gove got it.
 
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