Politics Coronavirus

[Moriath]

Seriously there is evidence of what happens in a big city if you do not go in to lockdown - you can see Stockholm. If you manage to focus on the elderly and those at risk for the rest of the populus is pretty safe.... I am sorry if you do not like this answer but that is what the statistics are now showing.

As for schools yes it is thought that children spread it but it is not so virulent - again this can be seen in the statistics in Sweden where the schools have stayed open there has been one death and that was a new born with underlying lung conditions - there have been NO deaths here in the 10 - 19 age gap - 11 in the 20-29 / 16 in the 30-39 / 45 in the 40-49 / 162 in the 50 - 59 / 399 in the 60-69 - all the rest are over 70.

For defination : By at risk it should include everyone with a BMI - in Sweden they state higher than the UK for BMI so 35 and include hypertension on top of the rest of the risks.

I understand that the concern is that you do not know if you are at risk - well at least have the basics checked out if you are concerned and not already on a register. The key is to protect these important groups.

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I really wish that instead of pitching scientists against each other there is some work to look at the statistics where the world has been a little more open, where people have continued to work at home if it is possible however if not using public transport to get to the office...

I think Stockholm isnt as densely populated as London

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/vickyyyf/status/1297912231355719681

 

[Embattle]

I think Stockholm isnt as densely populated as London

Stockholm 13,000/sq mi vs London 14,670/sq mi, not a great deal of difference.

 

[Raven]

Population density though...

9.3m London, 10m Sweden (all of it)...

 

[Yoni]

I think Stockholm isnt as densely populated as London

The point isnt about pop density It is about who it is killing - which can be seen in Sweden given it’s relatively open recommendations. It is absolutely not the kids who have been allowed to go to school (to 16) and it is not their parents either ...

 

[dysfunction]

The point isnt about pop density It is about who it is killing - which can be seen in Sweden given it’s relatively open recommendations. It is absolutely not the kids who have been allowed to go to school (to 16) and it is not their parents either ...

of course it's about pop density as that affects how far wide it is spread and therefore kills more vulnerable people.

 

[Moriath]

The point isnt about pop density It is about who it is killing - which can be seen in Sweden given it’s relatively open recommendations. It is absolutely not the kids who have been allowed to go to school (to 16) and it is not their parents either ...

we know the risk demographics, we know that the more under 50s get it the more likely those over are to be exposed, So either everyone over 50 or what age you pick has to live in fear, or isolate themselves or we try and keep the virus lower in the whole population.

anything else puts younger peoples lives over older peoples.

 

[Yoni]

The point is that the UK need to change how it is working - instead of closing down whole areas when there is an increased spread those at risk and the over 70s need to quarantine (this includes multi-generational households so the younger people in the in the households with them).

NO you are not putting younger lives ahead of older lives at all / older people and those at risk should be protected.... addtionally the fear surrounding schools is irrational - or is there a physiological difference between a swedish child and an english child?

 

[Moriath]

The point is that the UK need to change how it is working - instead of closing down whole areas when there is an increased spread those at risk and the over 70s need to quarantine (this includes multi-generational households so the younger people in the in the households with them).

NO you are not putting younger lives ahead of older lives at all / older people and those at risk should be protected.... addtionally the fear surrounding schools is irrational - or is there a physiological difference between a swedish child and an english child?

Not the kids health i worry about. But many are and its not justified in my opinion. Its just paranoia about the virus.

but by making those at risk and older isolate that could be for an incredibly long time.

the more you let everyone else do what they want with social distancing the higher the virus load in the population the more those who are isolating need to isolate.

so like i said that all very well if you are willing to mandate those vulnerable and the old are not to participate in society. And therefore you value the young and fit over them.

 

[SilverHood]

Not the kids health i worry about. But many are and its not justified in my opinion. Its just paranoia about the virus.

but by making those at risk and older isolate that could be for an incredibly long time.

the more you let everyone else do what they want with social distancing the higher the virus load in the population the more those who are isolating need to isolate.

so like i said that all very well if you are willing to mandate those vulnerable and the old are not to participate in society. And therefore you value the young and fit over them.

If I was an old person, who had paid taxes all my life, I'd be pushing for the young people to stay isolated, so the old people could enjoy life...

 

[Moriath]

If I was an old person, who had paid taxes all my life, I'd be pushing for the young people to stay isolated, so the old people could enjoy life...

Exactly why should one part of society be freer than another.

 

[dysfunction]

The point is that the UK need to change how it is working - instead of closing down whole areas when there is an increased spread those at risk and the over 70s need to quarantine (this includes multi-generational households so the younger people in the in the households with them).

NO you are not putting younger lives ahead of older lives at all / older people and those at risk should be protected.... addtionally the fear surrounding schools is irrational - or is there a physiological difference between a swedish child and an english child?

Those age groups and at risk people have already been shielding or supposed to have been.
So not sure what else you think they can do.

 

[Yoni]

Like Sweden the UK absolutely failed their old peoples homes so ensure hokes and hospital environmentals are absolutely secure.

Visiting and working in homes and hospitals here has completely changed. Those at risk and not in homes are advised to keep distance and maintain social distancing. Visiting is very different now - there is a booking system and specialised meeting areas - no hugging ofc and Perspex between the visitor and guest

There has been NO 14 day isolation when returning from holiday. You can take a test on return and get an answer normally within 48 hours..

multigenerational families have a choice also - the younger members have been offered alternative accommodation- if they remain they are requested to social distance.

Outside in the fresh air is not considered to be a bad thing here so it is encouraged to go out and walk - so no one here is quarantined to the back garden.

Schools and Unis are open and multi-site workplaces are not allowing staff from alternate sites.

I went on public transport to work for the first time on Monday andthis remains ok

If you have the smallest symptom you stay home until 2 days after the symptoms pass which coincides with the time it takes to get a test result ie

if you wake up with a sore throat - register for a test - the results are back 48 hrs after that. You shoild Inform your employer if possitive who will request that everyone you May have been in the office with gets a test etc

During early August the infection rate increased to 1.2 here due to the younger generations not applying recommendations however it is already back down below 1 with no change to the countries recommendations. It was just highlighted at the press conference and that the younger generations need to keep to the recommendations also.

what I read here is a lot of scaremongering at times, whereas if a sensible approach is taken by the majority then it is not that scarey. People call Sweden the nanny state, however it would appear that there is a lot less nannying going on here at the moment than in countries that refer to Sweden with that slur.

 

[dysfunction]

The UK is doing a fair bit of that or a variation of that now also

 

[Moriath]

Like Sweden the UK absolutely failed their old peoples homes so ensure hokes and hospital environmentals are absolutely secure.

Visiting and working in homes and hospitals here has completely changed. Those at risk and not in homes are advised to keep distance and maintain social distancing. Visiting is very different now - there is a booking system and specialised meeting areas - no hugging ofc and Perspex between the visitor and guest

There has been NO 14 day isolation when returning from holiday. You can take a test on return and get an answer normally within 48 hours..

multigenerational families have a choice also - the younger members have been offered alternative accommodation- if they remain they are requested to social distance.

Outside in the fresh air is not considered to be a bad thing here so it is encouraged to go out and walk - so no one here is quarantined to the back garden.

Schools and Unis are open and multi-site workplaces are not allowing staff from alternate sites.

I went on public transport to work for the first time on Monday andthis remains ok

If you have the smallest symptom you stay home until 2 days after the symptoms pass which coincides with the time it takes to get a test result ie

if you wake up with a sore throat - register for a test - the results are back 48 hrs after that. You shoild Inform your employer if possitive who will request that everyone you May have been in the office with gets a test etc

During early August the infection rate increased to 1.2 here due to the younger generations not applying recommendations however it is already back down below 1 with no change to the countries recommendations. It was just highlighted at the press conference and that the younger generations need to keep to the recommendations also.

what I read here is a lot of scaremongering at times, whereas if a sensible approach is taken by the majority then it is not that scarey. People call Sweden the nanny state, however it would appear that there is a lot less nannying going on here at the moment than in countries that refer to Sweden with that slur.

Tests are 25% inaccurate according to scientists. They can give false positives and false negatives. So a test and not isolation doesnt work yet. Need a 99% accurate test

 

[Yoni]

Tests are 25% inaccurate according to scientists. They can give false positives and false negatives. So a test and not isolation doesnt work yet. Need a 99% accurate test

Not the same info in Sweden - antibody tests are not accurate but if you HAVE cv19 these according to Swedish scientists are accurate to a 95% cf level.

 

[Moriath]

The test is a swab of your nose and throat undertaken at one of the Trust testing sites. The test is not 100% accurate; at present it is thought to detect approximately 70% of coronavirusi infections. A negative test does not mean that you stop self-isolating if you have coronavirus symptoms.

https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/working-for-us/staff/documents/staff-testing-privacy-statement.pdf#:~:text=The%20test%20is%20not%20100,Tests%20are%20completely%20voluntary

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[Deebs]

Found this website.

ArcGIS Web Application

www.arcgis.com

 

[Yoni]

it is the same tech that they are using in Sweden I think

Experience

experience.arcgis.com

 

[Deebs]

it is the same tech that they are using in Sweden I think

Experience

experience.arcgis.com

Yeh I originally went to that site and it forwarded me onto the one I posted. What is interesting is that according to the site (when I entered my postcode) my area is pretty much Covid-19 free.

 

[Bodhi]

Yeh I originally went to that site and it forwarded me onto the one I posted. What is interesting is that according to the site (when I entered my postcode) my country is pretty much Covid-19 free.

Fixed.

 

[Gwadien]

Fixed.

Dunno, its quite dark around me.

But it is mostly Indians, so I guess we can just blame them.

 

[MYstIC G]

Yeh I originally went to that site and it forwarded me onto the one I posted. What is interesting is that according to the site (when I entered my postcode) my area is pretty much Covid-19 free.

For the last 7 days...

 

[Moriath]

Got a drive through covid test for the 16th September. Not looking forward to it .

so many hoops to jump through and no visitors while im in hospital. Makes a stressful situation more stressful

 

[Deebs]

For the last 7 days...

Yeh I know but still nice to be able to see what is happening around you.

 

[Gwadien]

This is what I've been talking about.


View: https://www.facebook.com/TheArchbish0pBanterbury/videos/1809650589174803

 

[Moriath]

This is what I've been talking about.


View: https://www.facebook.com/TheArchbish0pBanterbury/videos/1809650589174803

What do you want schools to do? Magically find twice the number of teachers and classrooms so they can have classrooms of 15 ? more remote learning that disadvantages the poor?
if the kids are to be taught then in class with teachers is the best and fairest way for them.
maybe keep the kids in the room and move the teachers.

talk about what a sensible and workable solution is rather than complaining about how its currently working.

 

[dysfunction]

Yeh I originally went to that site and it forwarded me onto the one I posted. What is interesting is that according to the site (when I entered my postcode) my area is pretty much Covid-19 free.

The number of infected is rising again:

Coronavirus: Daily cases highest since mid-June

The number of new positive test results has risen to 1,522 in the past 24 hours.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hopefully with the current methods it will be kept under control and won't get to March/April rates

 

[Raven]

Went into the office today. Turns out one of our warehouse lads was out on Monday at Wagamama and the barman that served their drinks has tested positive, awaiting the warehouse lad's result now. but if it's positive then we have to shut the entire building down. I was only in for a couple of hours and didn't really go near where he works but even so I will need to lock down for 14 days, as will my wife who is supposed to be teaching 5 year olds again as of Tuesday.

Interesting times!

This thing needs to fuck off, sharpish.

Northampton is in danger of being shut down completely R-rate is rising, cases rising.

 

[Scouse]

That sucks m8. For everyone involved