Politics Coronavirus

[Deebs]

Is it supposed to be different in here with @Job on time out, because I'm not seeing it...

@Scouse has taken up the torch.....

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I have to go shopping in the next 3 or 4 days, I don't mind admitting it worries me more than a little bit.
There are 3 supermarkets I could go to. The biggest, were we usually go I'm avoiding, its restricted access but queues a lot of the time. A small one which also has plenty of the English stuff we still like to use. It gets fairly busy though with expats, and it's a bit of a confined space. Then there's a medium size one that is more expensive and less choice and as a result has always been pretty quiet. That's where I'll be going.
Going to do 3 weeks of shopping, supplies are plentyful here, so I don't have to go back often. Bread we'll be baking, milk will be LongLife.
I fully expect to be stopped at least twice by the Guardia Civil on the 6km round trip.

 

[Embattle]

Now all the dipshits have stopped stripping everything from the shelves including stuff they don't know how to cook or won't use before the sell by date there seems to be better stock levels in supermarkets, at least in Devon.

 

[DaGaffer]

Bread we'll be baking, milk will be LongLife.

Funnily enough one of the few things that seems to be completely unavailable around here is flour. Of any type.

 

[Bodhi]

I know it is hard but the hysterical and MSM want testing for have I got it right now to be done.

The only viable and worthwhile testing is the antibody testing now in my opinion.

My other issue which seems to be what this Union has become is to criticize and put down (like it is going out of fashion) everything the Government is doing. Apart from maybe South Korea no other Government has performed well. Yeh they all fucked up somewhere but as a citizen of your country help support and get through this, then start the bitching.

If the Government declares a Military/Police curfew tomorrow to enforce social distancing I cannot comprehend how may people will moan or launch legal battles.

They offered a common sense approach to social distancing and were slated for it, if they go to the next level they will get slated for it.

Speaking of the MSM - I get they want to hold the government to account, but they can give it a rest occasionally. Otherwise they end up trying to tell the Deputy CMO what's what - and, well


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQaQIB1fSk

 

[Scouse]

Hopefully in about a years time once this all over the results, errors, etc. will come out and fingers crossed all governments will learn and create a proper action plan for a inevitable future virus.

Some on here are going to hate me for pointing tgis absolutely true fact:

They had a proper action plan drawn up for exactly this scenario and meetings were booked in to discuss implementation and actioning.

The were cancelled - other priorities overruled them.

Beginning in Br and ending in exit...

 

[Deebs]

Speaking of the MSM - I get they want to hold the government to account, but they can give it a rest occasionally. Otherwise they end up trying to tell the Deputy CMO what's what - and, well


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQaQIB1fSk

You forget these journalists have wiped the dust of their PhDs. They know more than anyone else at this time.

 

[Bodhi]

You forget these journalists have wiped the dust of their PhDs. They know more than anyone else at this time.

Impressive how quickly they've picked up all this knowledge about global pandemics, when only 2 months ago they were all experts in International Trade.

 

[Deebs]

Some on here are going to hate me for pointing tgis absolutely true fact:

They had a proper action plan drawn up for exactly this scenario and meetings were booked in to discuss implementation and actioning.

The were cancelled - other priorities overruled them.

Beginning in Br and ending in exit...

Same as in America. Everyone is at fault in some way or another. This pandemic could have happened in 1, 2, 5 or 10 years down the road. Someone will still blame Br...exit for it. The NHS has not been prepared nor the country for this regardless of Br...exit. Same as every other country. Want to bring EU into it, look how they originally treated Spain and Italy who asked for CoronaBonds and were told to do one. The EU still has not finalised the financial package. Give it a rest. The EU is not some fucking genie lamp.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Funnily enough one of the few things that seems to be completely unavailable around here is flour. Of any type.

Ah well you see.
We stocked up on flour and yeast 2 days before the lockdown, that and 100 litres of white paint.
It was inevitable that we would be in lockdown.

 

[Deebs]

Ah well you see.
We stocked up on flour and yeast 2 days before the lockdown, that and 100 litres of white paint.
It was inevitable that we would be in lockdown.

@~Yuckfou~ is a key worker aka a decorator.

 

[Scouse]

Nothing to do with the EU.

The tories (who underfunded the NHS btw) cancelled implementation unilaterally - the cited brexit negotiations as taking priority.

All it does is show their risk management decisionmaking is poor.

 

[Yoni]

Sweden is only testing hospitalised people and medical staff - it is not clear the level or how it is working however.

What can be seen here is that the deaths are increasing as are the cases. It is the increase in cases and types of cases that is concerning me at the moment - there are reports that are semi-validated by the health bureau (there is evidence that...) CV19 has penetrated all the OAP homes in Stockholm if this is the reality then the emphasis on how this all turns out is now on the health professionals to triage and that is a wholly unenviable job.

It takes 30 days on average in Sweden from infection to death this means that in Sweden we are currently running a 5.1% death rate (high as they are only testing people sent to hospital). For every 500 infected (current rate) 26 will die - I believe that it will be even higher as the average age of infected has shifted from almost all mid 40s to mid 50s at the start to a normal curve that is beginning to skew towards male older patients (60 to 90+) and then compounded further by pressure on the health authorities "if" beds / respirators and medication become scarce

The news today was there were at least 30% of intensive care beds available and that is not including the new hospitals that they started building several weeks ago (now finished) and field hospitals set up around the city so for now they are reporting under the critical level for hospitalised care.

Very selfishly I believe I will not be able to see my mum as planned in July and what worries me more is that should die (not just of CV19 but any disease an 82 year old can get) I will not have seen her for a while and will not be able to get to the funeral due to flight restrictions. <------- this is stressing me out no end. It is not my staff being put on short time or even me or my husband as currently as long as you are not made redundant you will continue to recieve 92,5% of your salary (this is for 20% working) the government are funding up to 44k Sek per month (so c.5k GBP) and the company will fund those earning above that to the same %.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Whole house needs decorating, might as well use all this "spare time" we've got. Been doing loads of jobs I've been putting off to keep myself busy.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Forgot to mention only Key Workers here are, pharmacies, food shops, petrol stations and people with blue lights on their cars.

 

[Deebs]

Forgot to mention only Key Workers here are, pharmacies, food shops, petrol stations and people with blue lights on their cars.

And you as designated by the Missus to ensure the house is decorated. I can imagine it now, Mrs ~Yuckfou sat in a chair "YOU MISSED A BIT" whilst sipping a glass of wine. Stay safe.

 

[caLLous]

Nothing to do with the EU.

The tories (who underfunded the NHS btw) cancelled implementation unilaterally - the cited brexit negotiations as taking priority.

All it does is show their risk management decisionmaking is poor.

If only there had been some sort of warning...

...

Exclusive: Ministers were warned that the NHS could not cope with a pandemic three years ago but 'terrifying' results were kept secret

 

[Embattle]

Whole house needs decorating, might as well use all this "spare time" we've got. Been doing loads of jobs I've been putting off to keep myself busy.

No painting here, house still settling.

If only there had been some sort of warning...

...

Exclusive: Ministers were warned that the NHS could not cope with a pandemic three years ago but 'terrifying' results were kept secret

I wouldn't be surprised if it was true, nearly all political parties tend to suffer short-termism because they always believe it'll be the next governments problem whether pollution, climate change, social care, etc. nearly all the issues tend to be outside the terms of their government.

 

[Deebs]

If only there had been some sort of warning...

...

Exclusive: Ministers were warned that the NHS could not cope with a pandemic three years ago but 'terrifying' results were kept secret

If only the EU was looking out for everyone of its members during this crisis....

EU chief apologises to Italy but baulks at ‘coronabond’ request
Italy’s future is in German hands

Everyone was warned, why single out the UK? How about the USA? Obama warned about it, Bill gates warned about it years ago. South Korea are in a better shape because of the SARS outbreak. Every other Government (repeat after me), every other Government was warned about it. Why single out the UK Government? How is France doing btw?

 

[Scouse]

If only the EU was looking out for everyone of its members during this crisis....

Deflection. This has bugger all to do with the EU. It was a UK government exercise.

why single out the UK?

Because we're responsible for our own actions - or lack thereof.

If we don't exercise the control we already have then there's only ourselves to blame. Pointing at other countries doesn't absolve ourselves of responsibility for needless death.


I thought you wanted to keep politics out of this? Not when it makes us look like the wankers we've been tho, eh?

 

[Deebs]

Deflection. This has bugger all to do with the EU. It was a UK government exercise.


Because we're responsible for our own actions - or lack thereof.

If we don't exercise the control we already have then there's only ourselves to blame. Pointing at other countries doesn't absolve ourselves of responsibility for needless death.

But looking at everyone else we are still on track. You brought the EU into this about the state of the NHS, the NHS was fucked regardless of Brexit. The EU is showing its true colours now.

Read this very carefully:

Everyone knew a pandemic was coming, the UK, the USA and most of Europe. WE ALL FUCKED UP regardless of Brexit. South Korea were better because after SARs they put in measures. Stop politicizing this. Nothing to do with the sun (the yellow thing in the sky), brexit, the size of your cock or mine. The NHS has been fucked way before Brexit.

 

[Scouse]

But looking at everyone else we are still on track.

Only if we look at others.

We're responsible for ourselves, no? And we fucked up.

There's no painting it differently. If someone at work pointed at a co-worker and said "he didn't do it either" I'd bollock the fucker.



Edit: BTW:

You brought the EU into this about the state of the NHS

No - I said the Tories failed to fund it. Again, UK choice.

 

[Embattle]

Nothing to do with the sun (the yellow thing in the sky), brexit, the size of your cock or mine.

Certainly wouldn't be a very big problem if it was in either case...boom boom...hope I was first

 

[Deebs]

Only if we look at others.

We're responsible for ourselves, no? And we fucked up.

There's no painting it differently. If someone at work pointed at a co-worker and said "he didn't do it either" I'd bollock the fucker.

Yeh and you would then work together to fix the problem instead of bitching like a cunt.

 

[Deebs]

Certainly wouldn't be a very big problem if it was in either case...boom boom...hope I was first

you were but mine is bigger.

 

[Scouse]

Yeh and you would then work together to fix the problem instead of bitching like a cunt.

That's because at work I have agency.

In the UK the only power I have is at the ballot box - so I'm working right now - to point out that the Tories ran the NHS down and the Tories failed to plan for this - despite clear warning of almost *exactly* this scenario - which has lead to unnecessary death.

I'm working to fix it right now in the only way available to me - keeping myself locked up away from people and pointing out the management failures that are responsible.

 

[Deebs]

That's because at work I have agency.

In the UK the only power I have is at the ballot box - so I'm working right now - to point out that the Tories ran the NHS down and the Tories failed to plan for this - despite clear warning of almost *exactly* this scenario - which has lead to unnecessary death.

I'm working to fix it right now in the only way available to me - keeping myself locked up away from people and pointing out the management failures that are responsible.

Fuck me, any Government would have failed for this. Work together, get through this and then sort out the issues. I suspect the NHS will be properly funded after this. I would support (and always have) a seperate ring fenced tax to the NHS. Same as for the roads. I believe a multiple tax system for the services is needed.

So a worker fucked up, you put that behind you and fix the immediate problem and then perform a Root Cause Analysis. You don't fucking bitch and moan whilst trying to fix the fault.

 

[Bodhi]

I think the eternal moan about funding the NHS is entirely irrelevant in this case:

1) NHS Finding has been going up in real terms year on year.
2) In order to build into the NHS capacity to deal with what we are currently facing (a once a century pandemic), we would have to have all that extra capacity being built in place permanently, so we would be funding god know how many extra hospitals and beds in order for them to sit empty. Not really going to fly.

 

[DaGaffer]

I suspect the NHS will be properly funded after this.

Really? I don't share your confidence in the slightest.

 

[Moriath]

If only there had been some sort of warning...

...

Exclusive: Ministers were warned that the NHS could not cope with a pandemic three years ago but 'terrifying' results were kept secret

I bet you could have said the same about any health care system in the world 6 months ago let alone 3 years ago