Politics Coronavirus

[Moriath]

Our figures are dropping dramatically, yours aren't. We have a normal plan now, you don't. Spain was short of PPE so they started manufacturing their own. Spain locked down 2 weeks before the UK even though the first cases were reported in the UK before Spain.
Not too shabby then is it?

Spain is 2 weeks ahead of us. So say in 2 weeks time if our numbers are not dropping.

 

[Moriath]

No we didn't have all the ppe we need but the guys made do with what they had / what they could make. Was it perfect? No, but then again I don't care. As a country we're going towards the end which is all anyone wants.

One thing about this place though compared to when I lived in the UK, is that the result is far more valued than the process. When I read the British news it seems like they're worried about the wrong things but maybe that's just how I'm interpreting it. Don't get me wrong though, valuing results over process also has its negative points but I'm happy that people here are generally helping towards the greater good. I almost vomited writing that last bit.

British press are rodents. Dont listen to them tbh

 

[Yoni]

Still firmly on the side of the child's argument "well he did this!" (whilst steadfastly ignoring the countries that followed the scientific advice). And has been said - two wrongs don't make an "alright".

It doesn't matter what anyone else has done. The UK government needs to be (but is not going to be) held accountable for thousands of needless deaths. Needless.

All they had to do was pay attention, follow the scientists, and do their job. And they didn't.

The same way they're not doing it with the other more existential issues.

Sorry but no! I am interested in why expats are more interested in the figures of the uk than the countries they live in.

When I point out care-homes in Spain - Yuck referred the UK as worse EVEN though Spain has more missing dead people. I am not deferring accountability - anything but!!!

 

[Job]

Well the US is still doing very well, though the American press are determined to paint it as a total disaster.

 

[Job]

Virus Likely to Keep Coming Back Each Year, Say Top Chinese Scientists

 

[~Yuckfou~]

NYT has missing deaths in the UK at 6.4k not great either but not unexpected nor should it be a surprise given the content of this thread - however Spain has been painted as near perfect ?

Has it? By whom?
I've said all along that every country has made mistakes. I also said just above that I don't really know what cockups could have been avoided here due to my poor Spanish and being unable to follow the local news, relying on English version newspaper sites. What I can say is that I'm glad I'm here and not in the UK where (at last count) 80 people have died in our old town compared to 3 here. Whether right or wrong I feel safer here.
What I have been consistent with is that the UK government have lied.
Either way we are on the downturn and the UK isn't. I would be prepared to bet that the death rate per capita at the end of this will be worse in the UK than other European countries. It's not a competition though, all the lives count.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Spain is 2 weeks ahead of us. So say in 2 weeks time if our numbers are not dropping.

Sorry but don't understand your point? Being genuine.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

There was an article either on Sky news or BBC today saying that the care home deaths in the UK are equal to the hospital deaths. I can't find it right now, perhaps someone can help. My curry is ready so I'm concentrating on that.

Found it.

Coronavirus: Far more deaths from COVID-19 crisis than headline numbers show

There might be similar numbers in other countries, we'll find out eventually.

Edit: I'd be surprised if there weren't.

 

[Job]

Well if you check the ONS death data.



We are at around 12.5K EXTRA deaths...that is everyone, carehomes, hospitals.

This year in weeks, the seasonal flu has big death spikes, so hopefully we should see a huge drop in flu deaths.

Cos...er, they are all ready dead.

 

[Scouse]

Virus Likely to Keep Coming Back Each Year, Say Top Chinese Scientists

It's a travesty.

If governments the world over had heeded the warning of the scientists and the WHO prepared like South Korea had prepared then we could have potentially have nipped this in the bud.

But then, the world is full of wankers like Trump, who defunded the messenger.

 

[Job]

Relations with China were always going to end up in a war footing....this has just speeded it up.
The big question is which side will Russia pick.

 

[Bodhi]

Virus Likely to Keep Coming Back Each Year, Say Top Chinese Scientists

What they really mean is they've got CV20 and 21 ready in the lab in Wuhan for an "accident" involving 2 slices of bread and some pangolin.

 

[MYstIC G]

View: https://youtu.be/O-3Mlj3MQ_Q

 

[~Yuckfou~]

This doesn't bode well..

Coronavirus: Germany's rate of COVID-19 infections grows after lockdown eased

 

[Moriath]

Sorry but don't understand your point? Being genuine.

If your start / peak is ahead of us. Then to match you we should be the same stage as you are now on the 12th May.

you cants say oh look we are heading down when you have been locked down longer than us. Apples and oranges

 

[BloodOmen]

I don't get what Governments are doing... all wanting to relax distancing/lockdowns for moany cunts that want a haircut or rich pub owners that are crying about not having customers, did people suddenly forget about a little thing called Spanish Flu? and how it came in a second wave, which killed as many as 50 million whereas the first wave only killed a fraction of that...

 

[Yoni]

Found it.

Coronavirus: Far more deaths from COVID-19 crisis than headline numbers show

There might be similar numbers in other countries, we'll find out eventually.

Edit: I'd be surprised if there weren't.

40,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Outbreak
it is a little behind but a good source of understanding missing deaths and mis-reporting.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

D'oh

BBC News - Coronavirus: Mike Pence flouts rule on masks at hospital
Mike Pence appears without virus mask at hospital

 

[~Yuckfou~]

If your start / peak is ahead of us. Then to match you we should be the same stage as you are now on the 12th May.

you cants say oh look we are heading down when you have been locked down longer than us. Apples and oranges

That was my point though. We got our first case slightly after the UK. We shut down 2 weeks before the UK. Our figures are looking hopeful, but I hope we are not moving too fast. There is an exit plan now which, if all stays the same, means there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Hopefully the UK will be not too far behind us.

Edit: much lower population here as well.

 

[Job]

Ive posted the graph, total deaths are 12.5Kish above average.

Thats it...there it is.

 

[Scouse]

Ive posted the graph, total deaths are 12.5Kish above average.

Thats it...there it is.

So this post:

Well if you check the ONS death data.

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Where did you source that please? Link.

Did you look at the graph? Someone's put that together from excel. They've even held their mouse over it and it's got the "plot area" tag hovering over it.

Where's the 12.5k shown on the graph? It's showing CV-19 deaths at 17 (x-axis seventeen what?) at about 9k - when we know that CV-19 deaths are in the tens of thousands.

Admit it - you've pulled this shit off some conspiracy website, someone told you it's "ONS data" and you've copied this 12.5k "excess deaths" from his text - not looked at the graph and not realised it doesn't make any sense.

Source and explanation please.

 

[Scouse]

BTW - actual ONS.

 

[Job]

Thats exact same graph.

 

[Job]

Total EXTRA deaths from the 5 year average is 12.5Kish.
Total covid deaths is much higher, so a lot of people have changed from normal deaths to covid deaths.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

So we've had more clarification on the easing this morning. Mrs Yuck and I can go for a walk together from next Monday. Monday after that we can go to the bar for a drink, sitting outside only, GET IN!


Easy to Read De-Escalation Calendar and Detailed List of Activities for Easing Spain Out of Lockdown & Adopting a New Normality on Costa Blanca and Costa del Sol - Euro Weekly News Spain Spain News Article

 

[Bodhi]

Johan Giesecke stands firm: death rates in Sweden will go down - The Post

Argument brewing between Sweden's Chief Epidemiologist and Prof Ferguson of Imperial. Nice little comment at the end for fans of New Zealand's approach as well.

 

[Bodhi]

Also found this from Israel:

The end of exponential growth: The decline in the spread of coronavirus

 

[Exioce]

Total EXTRA deaths from the 5 year average is 12.5Kish.
Total covid deaths is much higher, so a lot of people have changed from normal deaths to covid deaths.

These numbers are per week, not a cumulative total.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

So this post:

Where did you source that please? Link.

Did you look at the graph? Someone's put that together from excel. They've even held their mouse over it and it's got the "plot area" tag hovering over it.

Where's the 12.5k shown on the graph? It's showing CV-19 deaths at 17 (x-axis seventeen what?) at about 9k - when we know that CV-19 deaths are in the tens of thousands.

Admit it - you've pulled this shit off some conspiracy website, someone told you it's "ONS data" and you've copied this 12.5k "excess deaths" from his text - not looked at the graph and not realised it doesn't make any sense.

Source and explanation please.

Could've been worse, at least it wasn't in crayon.

 

[Scouse]

Could've been worse, at least it wasn't in crayon.

It is actually ONS data (looked it up) - but he's posted it and not made any decipherable point. He's on some conspiracy forum or following some cunt on twitter and doesn't understand the points being made about it.

That's why I asked him to source his information (because it's not a direct port of the ONS) and explain it.

But he can't. He literally hasn't got a basic understanding of the point he's trying to make. (And prior experience has taught him that if he tries to explain it he shoots himself in the foot - because he's no effing idea what he's on about. So he won't offer either source or explanation - because then we'll A) know where he got it and B) we'll laugh at his ineptitude).