Politics Coronavirus

[Scouse]

If you think this will end with us going back to life like 2019, I think you are very much mistaken. And "this shit" is here to stay.

Nah. Once we're done with the first round of vaccines I'll be going back to: working from home if I'm ill and wearing a mask if I'm ill.

Everything else is going back to how it was, as far as I'm concerned. No matter how anyone else feels about it tbpfh.

 

[Aoami]

If you think this will end with us going back to life like 2019, I think you are very much mistaken. And "this shit" is here to stay.

I think you'll be in the minority with that view. We can't live in fear forever, and with new rapid testing, potential at home treatments etc, there should be no need to be.

 

[Aoami]

Most 20 to 30s havent been jabbed either

In my experience, most (most bring myself and everyone I know) 20 to 30s are socialising outdoors as per government guidelines, and avoiding interaction with the vulnerable as much as possible. What's wrong with that?

 

[JBP|]

With the prediction of a third a third wave in the summer, if you think things are going to go back to pre 2019 normality, you are quite frankly a bit mental. The best we will get is a return to the tier system.
Having done all the risk assessments at work we expect to keep our social distancing measures in place for at least another 2 years.
The covid "passports" won't ever be going away and to be fair if you're even thinking of going on a jolly in another country, you probably need taking round the back to be shot in the face.

 

[Aoami]

Does it matter if there is a 3rd wave and the people it's infecting are people like me who won't need hospitalising because of it?

 

[JBP|]

You might not need hospitalisation, you probably won't die because of it. But you WILL still contract it and you WILL still spread it to others.

 

[Aoami]

You might not need hospitalisation, you probably won't die because of it. But you WILL still contract it and you WILL still spread it to others.

Yeah but if all the vulnerable have been vaccinated then what's the problem? This is what I don't understand about the vaccine.

Edit - I'm not being obtuse by the way, I genuinely don't understand. I'm also not an expert in virology unlike half the forum apparently

 

[Moriath]

Yeah but if all the vulnerable have been vaccinated then what's the problem? This is what I don't understand about the vaccine.

Edit - I'm not being obtuse by the way, I genuinely don't understand. I'm also not an expert in virology unlike half the forum apparently

Because each time it moves host is a chance to mutate.
each mutation means it has a chance to be more deadly and avoid the current vaccines.

ex pm in india had both jabs and is still in hospital. I know theres a chance with the jab anyway. But they think the indian variant is more likely to avoid the vaccine. And for some reason more young kids are being affected in brazil.

 

[JBP|]

People

Yeah but if all the vulnerable have been vaccinated then what's the problem? This is what I don't understand about the vaccine.

Edit - I'm not being obtuse by the way, I genuinely don't understand. I'm also not an expert in virology unlike half the forum apparently

The vaccines are not a cure, they are a preventative measure, nor is it a one size fits all sort of thing, You'll only know if the vaccine has worked for you when you contract the virus.
There will always be those that are vulnerable as people sometimes get ill as they get older.

 

[JBP|]

AGAIN! I just went to the post office, a bloke joins the queue behind me. He was that close he could have stuck his cock up my rear chuff! Then looked shocked when I politely asked him to back the fuck up.
These are the exact actions that mean this shit is here to stay and it gets right on my fucking nipples.

 

[dysfunction]

We will slowly return to normal life but just get vaccinated every year like we do with the flu. It might only be next year or the year after but we will get there.
The only exception is that if the virus changes so much that it becomes more dangerous to young healthy people.

We will have "acceptable" deaths each year from it just like we do with flu. No getting away from that unfortunately.

 

[Scouse]

@Bodhi

Scientific paper claiming smokers less likely to acquire Covid retracted over tobacco industry links

Analysis of the paper identified several biases ‘which may give the false impression that smoking is protective in Covid-19’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raven]

We will slowly return to normal life but just get vaccinated every year like we do with the flu. It might only be next year or the year after but we will get there.
The only exception is that if the virus changes so much that it becomes more dangerous to young healthy people.

We will have "acceptable" deaths each year from it just like we do with flu. No getting away from that unfortunately.

We have to decide if we are OK with the risk and do everything to minimise it, but we need to open up a little. I'm looking forward to camping with friends that I haven't seen in a year in June.

 

[Tom]

Had my first vaccination today, the AZ one. Cycled up to Darwen for it because frankly it's a nice ride up there. 6 hours later I feel slightly light-headed, but otherwise fine.

The guy doing the vaccinations looked bored out of his mind. Like someone packing biscuits on a conveyor.

 

[Scouse]

I hear it's about 12 hours later the AZ one hits you @Tom. Let us know how it goes.

 

[Tom]

Well I'm supposed to be doing a 100 miler this weekend so my body better sort its shit out.

 

[Embattle]

I had nothing, my mum and dad had little more than sore arms and my sister was sick and had a headache 6 hours afterwards but had largely cleared up by the next day.

 

[Wij]

My nob fell off.

 

[Raven]

Which one?

 

[Moriath]

I hear it's about 12 hours later the AZ one hits you @Tom. Let us know how it goes.

Yeah had mine at 4pm yesterday. During the night woke up achy. Today been achy and spaced out. Tomorrow i hope should be better

 

[Gwadien]

Covid-19: Delhi hospitals run out of oxygen supplies

Hospitals are overwhelmed in the Indian capital, with the majority of intensive care beds occupied.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is why covid is bad.

 

[Tom]

Damn you weren't kidding about the 12 hour thing. Started feeling tired at 10pm (an hour earlier than usual) so I went to bed and pretty much straight to sleep. Woke in the night shivering in a bed that must have been hot enough to boil water, with the cat very comfortable with the extra heat.

It's like having food poisoning without the nausea and loss of appetite, and a bad hangover without the thirst. Weird.

 

[JBP|]

Damn you weren't kidding about the 12 hour thing. Started feeling tired at 10pm (an hour earlier than usual) so I went to bed and pretty much straight to sleep. Woke in the night shivering in a bed that must have been hot enough to boil water, with the cat very comfortable with the extra heat.

It's like having food poisoning without the nausea and loss of appetite, and a bad hangover without the thirst. Weird.

Mrs JBP| was like that, took her 4 days to fully recover, I on the other hand just had pain at the injection site for 2 days.

 

[Tom]

And tomorrow morning I ride from Kendal to Manchester Thankfully it's a pretty flat route. I have a feeling a lot of carbs will be consumed, I'm thirsty for a tin of Monster right now.

 

[Bodhi]

@Bodhi

Scientific paper claiming smokers less likely to acquire Covid retracted over tobacco industry links

Analysis of the paper identified several biases ‘which may give the false impression that smoking is protective in Covid-19’

www.theguardian.com

@Scouse

Here's another - Smoking and Risk of COVID-19 Hospitalization

If you dig into the study itself you'll see it references about 6 other studies, all showing the same thing. Smokers are less likely to end up in hospital than never smokers, and quitters are the most likely of all to be hospitalised.

It gets even more compelling when the study adjusts for body weight:

During further analysis (adding BMI, previous inpatient hospitalizations and number of comorbidities), there was a trend towards increase in odds of hospitalization for former smokers compared to never smokers, but the difference did not reach statistical significance (OR 1.05; 95% CI 0.86-1.29). Current smokers’ odds of hospitalization due to COVID-19 remained lower than that of never smokers (OR 0.55; 95% CI 0.37-0.83).

So half as likely to be hospitalised when you adjust for all the portly smokers skewing the numbers.

Yes, science. Bitch.

 

[Bodhi]

We will slowly return to normal life but just get vaccinated every year like we do with the flu. It might only be next year or the year after but we will get there.
The only exception is that if the virus changes so much that it becomes more dangerous to young healthy people.

We will have "acceptable" deaths each year from it just like we do with flu. No getting away from that unfortunately.

The only reason vulnerable people get a new flu jab every year is due to how much the influenza virus mutates - Coronaviruses are far more stable, so booster shots will not be "needed" from a medical perspective.

Doesn't mean they won't be offered, however they will not be required. Immunity via previous infection and the vaccines is looking pretty damned robust - worth following @sailorooscout on Twitter - she's a biochemist who works for Moderna in the US, and is a great source of actual research on this.

Must admit this concept of living with it like flu is a bit wrong as well, what with it being a different virus and all. Living with it like the other 4 endemic Human Coronaviruses? Yep. They're actually quite similar to SARS-Cov2, bit of a pig if your immune system doesn't recognise them (OC43 is thought to have killed millions in the late 19th Century), no more than a cold if it does.

 

[ECA]

@Scouse

Here's another - Smoking and Risk of COVID-19 Hospitalization


If you dig into the study itself you'll see it references about 6 other studies, all showing the same thing. Smokers are less likely to end up in hospital than never smokers, and quitters are the most likely of all to be hospitalised.

It gets even more compelling when the study adjusts for body weight:



So half as likely to be hospitalised when you adjust for all the portly smokers skewing the numbers.

Yes, science. Bitch.

smokers were:

more likely to be extremely obese
more likely to be lower income and on medical benefits
more likely to suffer diabetes
more likely to suffer hypertension
more likely to suffer COPD
more likely to suffer asthma
more likely to suffer chronic kidney disease.

Not sure what the win is here for smokers.

 

[Raven]

They look cool and with it.

 

[Scouse]

Anyway @ECA - how you doing you sexy beast? What have you been up tae?

 

[dysfunction]

The only reason vulnerable people get a new flu jab every year is due to how much the influenza virus mutates - Coronaviruses are far more stable, so booster shots will not be "needed" from a medical perspective.

Doesn't mean they won't be offered, however they will not be required. Immunity via previous infection and the vaccines is looking pretty damned robust - worth following @sailorooscout on Twitter - she's a biochemist who works for Moderna in the US, and is a great source of actual research on this.

Must admit this concept of living with it like flu is a bit wrong as well, what with it being a different virus and all. Living with it like the other 4 endemic Human Coronaviruses? Yep. They're actually quite similar to SARS-Cov2, bit of a pig if your immune system doesn't recognise them (OC43 is thought to have killed millions in the late 19th Century), no more than a cold if it does.

Really? Hello variants from Brazil, South Africa, Kent, India. Who knows how much it will change.

And how is the whole world dealing with the other coronaviruses. Are we all having major lockdowns for those worldwide? No. ok thanks.
Not too many cases of MERS or SARS around the world to be cause for major lockdowns.

Yes it is a different virus and isn't like the flu but we will most likely need booster shots. But research is still ongoing about that so not sure why Professor @Bodhi rthinks otherwise. But the general attitude so far is that we will need booster shots:

Covid booster shot could be needed after nine to 12 months, White House says

Pfizer CEO has also said it is ‘likely’ people will need a third coronavirus vaccine dose within a year

www.theguardian.com

Covid-19: Booster dose will be needed in autumn to avoid winter surge, says government adviser

A covid-19 booster vaccine is likely to be rolled out in the autumn to avoid another winter surge, the deputy chair of the government’s vaccine advisory committee has told The BMJ . Speaking on The BMJ ’s Talk Evidence podcast, Anthony Harnden of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and...

www.bmj.com

Why Experts Think You'll Need a COVID-19 Booster Shot in the Future

Experts say we will likely need more COVID-19 booster shots in the future.

www.healthline.com