Class(es) needed for Agramon nowdays?

Arethir

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Maeloch said:
Think animists are okay, but it's a funny read of their abilities. It's what, 5s cast on shrooms? You will never get the stone cold jump on another caster firing up shrooms. A funny class and can bring stuff down very fast, but you need some time with no aggro to start causing shit. Stacking 3 bombers is what, nearly 5s? and then have to dump 2-3 lifetap on top to bring down a tank. Ofc then might insta dies, due to stacked damage and no heals, but if any caster can spam that long in a grp fight they deserve to get kill spam tbh.
Yes. And you don't really get that much time to cast vs dem instas do you!
 

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Arethir said:
Ye bit funny how he put only 1 healer with instas, and then 2 smite clerics and 2 nature druids in the other groups :p
well, didn't really put 2 smite clerics and 2 nature druids as the insta i listed can be achieved with 3 smite spec, and 7 nature spec(still don't know if thats a spec clerics or druids run?). the further specs were options as i didn't know how you spec both clerics/druids or if they spec differently..know for a fact no one would run 2 pac healers and the instas are quite high (lowest being 28 for insta single stun)
 

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Nate said:
well, didn't really put 2 smite clerics and 2 nature druids as the insta i listed can be achieved with 3 smite spec, and 7 nature spec(still don't know if thats a spec clerics or druids run?). the further specs were options as i didn't know how you spec both clerics/druids or if they spec differently..know for a fact no one would run 2 pac healers and the instas are quite high (lowest being 28 for insta single stun)
Ok, but counting grey pb mezz with 150~ish range on a cleric as an interupting ability is just not right imo :p
 

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ok tried to go with 2 tanks, 3 casters 2 support 1 bg'r, sorry if setups are crap i don't play other realms but most casters don't have insta's other then bd's so shouldn't matter much:

i'm guessing i should have put thane in as i haven't got any other cata class tanks in it but anyway ;

Mids 11
*do valks spec for this in group spec? left it out of total
Healer - Insta aoe mezz, insta single mezz, insta single stun, insta aoe stun
Healer -
Shaman - insta pbae disease
Runemaster -
Spiritmaster -
Warrior -
Valkyrie - insta dd, insta cone, insta cone pulse, insta snare, *insta d/q+dd
Bonedancer - insta debuff, insta lifetap


Albs 9
*do clerics spec for this? pretty low anyway i'll leave it out of the total
Sorc -
Cleric - Insta pbae mezz, *Insta pbae snare, insta pbae dd
Cleric - Insta pbae mezz, *Insta pbae snare, insta pbae dd
Mincer - Insta dd1, Insta dd2, Insta stun, Insta Confusion
Theurg -
Cabalist -
Paladin - Insta Taunt
Mercenery - Flurry, Dirty Tricks

Hibs 8
Bard - Insta aoe amnesia, insta single target amnesia, insta aoe mez, insta single target mez
Druid - Insta pbae root
Druid - Insta pbae root
Blademaster - flurry
Bainshee -
Bainshee -
Enchanter -
Warden -

damn instagard :( i should have listened to arethir!

From hib perspective Its the timers m8! The only regular use ranged interupt that hibs have in that group is the bard insta dd. Amnesia isnt a true interupt btw.

Actually if you are saying that alb and hib have equivalent insta interupts available then you really are living in a state of denial.
 

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Don't see many gimpstrels about in FG rvr these days either :p
Mid is the premier instant realm!
 

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Cromcruaich said:
From hib perspective Its the timers m8! The only regular use ranged interupt that hibs have in that group is the bard insta dd. Amnesia isnt a true interupt btw.

Though not sure what your stance is.

He's trying to prove that mids have an equal amount of interrupts. :p He should have thrown in a Thane instead of a warrior aswell.

Healer - Healer - Shammy - Runi/Valk(? o_O) - Thane - Valk - Bd - Bd would be interresting to fight.
 

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Tuthmes said:
He's trying to prove that mids have an equal amount of interrupts. :p He should have thrown in a Thane instead of a warrior aswell.

Healer - Healer - Shammy - Runi/Valk(? o_O) - Thane - Valk - Bd - Bd would be interresting to fight.

bah, caught me mid edit.
 

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Arethir said:
Ok, but counting grey pb mezz with 150~ish range on a cleric as an interupting ability is just not right imo :p

was just putting instas in :D it's insta!

Cromcarebeargoldcruaich said:
From hib perspective Its the timers m8! The only regular use ranged interupt that hibs have in that group is the bard insta dd. Amnesia isnt a true interupt btw.

Actually if you are saying that alb and hib have equivalent insta interupts available then you really are living in a state of denial.

it's not interrupts i was after ;p was just looking for instas! well ok, mainly offensive ones


end of the day though, mid has these instarrupts to counter uninterruptable casts and pet spam..might be overkill, but mid doesn't get abilities that other realms do so something has to make up for it..seems mythic went down the instaline for that
 

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Nate said:
was just putting instas in :D it's insta!



it's not interrupts i was after ;p was just looking for instas! well ok, mainly offensive ones


end of the day though, mid has these instarrupts to counter uninterruptable casts and pet spam..might be overkill, but mid doesn't get abilities that other realms do so something has to make up for it..seems mythic went down the instaline for that

We all get the debuffs, its the insta interupts that are the big advantage in 8v8, thats what we were moaning about at first. The overall point that was being driven home (from my perspective at least) is that hibs dont have anywhere close to the insta interupts that are available to mids in roaming 8v8. Infact this is the reason why about 1.5 to 2 years ago NFD GG1 changed to full tank setup to counter maelstrom.

It is a fairly narrow ground to debate on (8v8), and I appreciate that in siege situations, it is midguard that are at a disadvantage, but from a purely selfish perspective (ie being an 8v8 fanboi) its a damned pain.

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What did you turn my thread into :p?

Some Midgard-Instant-OP-discussion and so on :/...
 

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Manisch Depressiv said:
What did you turn my thread into :p?

Some Midgard-Instant-OP-discussion and so on :/...
Answer: Make any mid char with a trunkload of instas and you can get into most groups!
 

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raid said:
albion needs friar+pala combined to 1 class :( (and nerfed somehow just for the 1v1bois)

Or u could skip the theurg and have everything the other realms have basicly.

Run merc (zerker) heretic (bd) friar (bg) 2x cleric (healer/shaman) sorc (pachealer) paladin (bg, end) cabby (damagecaster).

More or less same tools as a midgrp, but you choose to run a petspamming class which mids cant and then whine when you cant fit in the same util, but dont mention the added util you get from theurg.
 

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noaim said:
Or u could skip the theurg and have everything the other realms have basicly.

Note that this is coming from a guy who had the choice to play either paladin in our avalongrp or thane/sm in a midgard avalon grp... its no surprise which one he picked ;)
 

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Well yeh thats the problem you cant compary realms (thank god). When it comes to 8vs8, midgard has bin considered easymode for a long time. Think last poll about easymode whas 60% for mids? Not that it says much, but it did project the feeling people have about 8vs8 warfare.
Nowadays a midgroup gets a thane a valk and a bd ingroup, plays aggressive and your support is fked. Could argue they drop shitloads of dps, but ragnok is just as insane as levi.
On the otherhand, such setups do diminish your 1,2,3 alb caster kite groups, so givf good alb tank group with 1 arms 2 mercs running on celerity.
 

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Tuthmes said:
Nowadays a midgroup gets a thane a valk and a bd ingroup, plays aggressive and your support is fked. Could argue they drop shitloads of dps, but ragnok is just as insane as levi.

I think you made a very good point on vent a few days ago, optimise for surivability and you wont go far wrong.
 

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raid said:
Note that this is coming from a guy who had the choice to play either paladin in our avalongrp or thane/sm in a midgard avalon grp... its no surprise which one he picked ;)

Yep, you suck. :fluffle:
 

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Cadelin said:
Yep, you suck. :fluffle:

damn there goes my argument :(

ok, what about:
"This coming from a guy who played midgard on every server he played on (cluster, glastonbury, avalon)"? :flame:
 

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raid said:
damn there goes my argument :(

ok, what about:
"This coming from a guy who played midgard on every server he played on (cluster, glastonbury, avalon)"? :flame:
Maybe he's looking for the most challenge?
 

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Vodkafairy said:
why? heretic and bd arent that far apart, difference is dps vs utility

Not quite following you here (dps vs utility is a big diff between classes?). Think there's a lot differance between a bd and tic, tbh. Not even starting about ra's.
 

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Tuthmes said:
Switching targets yeh, think thats a big problem with shrooms. Demezz'ing or braking root. Range might be true, though there are a lot of los issue's with setting a groundtarget ofc and lets not forget shrooms can be mezz'd.
Now stacking bombers has its pro's and con's, but imo in the time the ani can get a bomber off on someone, my eld could have done the dmg to the target already (instead of w8'ing for the bomber to reach the target).
AFAIK shrooms got the same change to mezz/root breaking as all other mobs got a while back. If you're rooted/mezzed, they will ignore you. If you get mezzed during the shroom casting though, it will break. Minor issue IMO. And mezz on shrooms can be broken/cured aswell.

From what I've seen I can't really understand why people doesn't run more animists.

Anyway, there's plenty of classes that are good/bad on paper but rarely/often used that perform really well, might have something to do with the player aswell.
 

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Vodkafairy said:
why? heretic and bd arent that far apart, difference is dps vs utility

I tend to find my kill/deathblows stats for an evening are well down on the SM in the group and even our warrior gets close to me sometimes. All of my RAs are group based. I think I have 1 WP,1 AC and 1 MoM, so dps wise its quite low for a caster.

Since I have never played a heretic I can't compare my DPS to the dps of a RR11 Heretic.
 

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The fact a BD can interupt on the move is quite a big thing when facing kiting groups imo. Tic has to stand still and cast his UI, plus instant >>> castable.
 

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swords said:
The fact a BD can interupt on the move is quite a big thing when facing kiting groups imo. Tic has to stand still and cast his UI.
Aye, bds are more annoying than any heratic. Heratics can be kited, slammed, nearsighted, etc - they are slow - bds just /stick interrupt u and 2 other peeps, shrug off CC, slams.
 

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