Football Champions League

[Lethul]

"Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm"
"The position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement".

Is it still 4-5 penalties?

 

[Marc]

Such a quality goal, and to have the composure to do that with time running out ... respect. With there being so many people at UEFA who wish to end the dominance of English clubs in the CL I could see Chelsea being suspended from European competition for a season because of the way they reacted at the end.

Each side had one stonewall penalty not given them across the two ties. The "4 or 5" that Chelsea claimed they should have had last night were nothings really. The one that particularly has them up in arms, the ball hitting the defender in the box was just that -- ball to hand, not hand to ball.

The media are lapping up at the minute and coming all out in support of Chelsea. But give it a couple of weeks and I think you'll see a more balanced opinion formed.



And Soze -- there are no guarantees of anything in life, but do you think all the rest of the teams outside of the Precious Four should just give up? It certainly reads that way.

All of the top four have had dodgy seasons in the Champions League and been seen to underachieve when they were building their squads, I'm sure that anyother team breaking the top four would have the same problem.

Dude! You dont half talk some tosh. I thought your ramblings about Villa are bad, but seriously. The penalties were nothing?? Pique's was as bad a penalty as you will ever see. It was criminal it wasnt given, as was the foul on Drogba. Then how on earth can you give a direct free kick outside the box, for what the ref perceived to be a foul, that happened in the box?

 

[Lethul]

Then how on earth can you give a direct free kick outside the box, for what the ref perceived to be a foul, that happened in the box?

Personally i think the foul was outside the box, and malouda falls into the box ?

 

[Vladamir]

Oh hi, the ref is looking straight at it uke:

Looks like Platini got his way, fucking cheese eating surrender monkey. Throws the toys out his pram for english domination, publically comes out and says he wants Juventus, possibly the most corrupt team in world football, to beat Chelsea. When that doesn't happen, he goes back to his pissing and moaning about english football.

When we win this cup, and we will one day by hell or high water, i hope that take it to that cúnt and make him sit on it.

 

[Corran]

I answer you on that.

Penalty claim 1) Foul was committed outside the box and yes finished just in the box, but the freekick evidently given for the initial foul. Understand what the ref done their if not totally agree with it.

penalty claim 2) Still personally think it a foul, judged on the shirt pull. However that didnt bring drogba down. On the angles shown it really hard to decide if was much leg contact. Feel taht could have been pen + red but more i see it the more im not sure.

penalty claim 3) Pique handball.... He lifted his hand there to make himself bigger object to get round, poor defending and a stonewall pen. Yes may have been a little ball to hand BUT, and this a big but, look at pique. He watched where teh ball was moving and purposely, due to poor defending and jumping in, he left his hand in place. This was the only stone wall penalty.

penalty 4) Eto handball... welll hit aronud the underarm and though seen them given they mostly are not... he turned away from ball and was "protecting" his face. See this kinda of "handball" every week from the wall during a freekick and i think i only ever seen 1 freekick given for it and never a penalty. That said in english footbball like that it may way been given but then the referee knew that decision alone would have changed the result so late and may have bottled it.

Chelsea cant say they got everything against them, against 10 men due to a boogus sending off they let barca have the posession and sat deep. But really was some poor decisions.

And Everz, lets see how you team do next season. guess we gonna have lots of crying in the football thread

So 1 stone wall, 1 probable and 2 that i seen given in past

 

[Vladamir]

Personally i think the foul was outside the box, and malouda falls into the box ?

Theres two fouls, one outside the box that the ref doesn't call for, then another one in the box that he calls for, but gives outside the box.

He should go back to reffing playground games in Norway and never come back.

 

[soze]

And Soze -- there are no guarantees of anything in life, but do you think all the rest of the teams outside of the Precious Four should just give up? It certainly reads that way.

All of the top four have had dodgy seasons in the Champions League and been seen to underachieve when they were building their squads, I'm sure that anyother team breaking the top four would have the same problem.

No i don't think you should give up you are making good progress now. It was more they way people said when Villa get in the Cl they can spend and get a bigger squad but after Leeds that would worry me.

 

[Marc]

I answer you on that.

Penalty claim 1) Foul was committed outside the box and yes finished just in the box, but the freekick evidently given for the initial foul. Understand what the ref done their if not totally agree with it.

He played the advantage after the first foul. then Mouloda was fouled again, inside the box. By the letter of the law, he then cant award a freekick for the first foul. Therefore a pen should have been awarded. Stone Wall.

 

[Lethul]

Theres two fouls, one outside the box that the ref doesn't call for, then another one in the box that he calls for, but gives outside the box.

He should go back to reffing playground games in Norway and never come back.

I disagree. I think freekick was correct. I also think Chelsea should have scored from it if for example Anelka had shown some will to attack the ball (even if its hard he cant just stand still imo)

 

[Marc]

penalty claim 2) Still personally think it a foul, judged on the shirt pull. However that didnt bring drogba down. On the angles shown it really hard to decide if was much leg contact. Feel taht could have been pen + red but more i see it the more im not sure.

Watch it again, you can cleary see contact being made with Drogba's leg which brings him down. I still cant believe Drogba didnt go down on the initial shirt tug!!!

 

[Vladamir]

I disagree. I think freekick was correct. I also think Chelsea should have scored from it if for example Anelka had shown some will to attack the ball (even if its hard he cant just stand still imo)

See Marc's post above, sums it up perfectly.

 

[leviathane]

Football's big four urged to share - Yahoo! News UK

 

[Corran]

there some contact but the angles dont show exactly how much, it looks like it could be minimal and drogba knew that the keeper was in position to get down at his feet before he could hit the shot and that why he went down... however I could see the reason behind him going down as the initial shirt pull is a foul and gave the keeper that extra split second to get out however Drogba got the reputation for being a fairy around the box and that probably gone against him.

 

[Corran]

Football's big four urged to share - Yahoo! News UK

lmao... what fucking business gives money to their competition? Shareholders would kill them. They have to pay extra money (transfer and wages) to get through the champions league so why should they give up money.

What the fuck is it to do with the government, they dont care about sport. We one the only countries where the government doesnt contribute to sports such as the F1 therefore they should keep out of all sport

 

[Marc]

Football's big four urged to share - Yahoo! News UK

What a load of shit. Why should randoms like Aston Villa, Middlesbrough, Spurs etc, get a slice of the Big 3 and Arsenals pie? They should be apsiring to get to their level, not hanging on their coat tails.

 

[Lethul]

Watch it again, you can cleary see contact being made with Drogba's leg which brings him down. I still cant believe Drogba didnt go down on the initial shirt tug!!!

Where can I see the penalty situations? I missed the game due to prac

 

[Turamber]

Football's big four urged to share - Yahoo! News UK

The government realises that most football fans do not follow the "big four", this is just a way of currying favour with the populace before an election. It won't happen.

It will probably take action from UEFA to break up the stranglehold of the "big four" in the Premier League, probably one of Platini's brain waves.

 

[Vladamir]

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[Turamber]

Dude! You dont half talk some tosh. I thought your ramblings about Villa are bad, but seriously. The penalties were nothing?? Pique's was as bad a penalty as you will ever see.

Stick to rugby, you don't seem to understand the rules for football. Hand to ball is a penalty, ball to hand is not.

 

[cHodAX]

Stick to rugby, you don't seem to understand the rules for football. Hand to ball is a penalty, ball to hand is not.

If the arm is raised then ball to hand counts.

 

[Vladamir]

Interesting statement on the CFC website from paddypower;

"PADDY POWER REFUND ON CHELSEA AFTER CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FARCE
Posted on: Thu 07 May 2009

Reacting to the astonishing refereeing in last night's Champions League semi-final, top bookie Paddy Power has wasted no time pledging to refund bets placed on Chelsea to win the encounter and to qualify for the Champions League final.

Chelsea, who were on course for a Champions League final encounter with Manchester United, were seemingly denied at least four penalties and then lost out after a 93rd minute winning strike from Barcelona's Andrés Iniesta.

Paddy Power said: 'The refereeing in tonight's match was disgraceful and we're not going to let our punters suffer because of that nonsense. Anyone who backed Chelsea to win in 90 minutes or to qualify for the Champions League final will get their money back.'"

 

[Lethul]

If the arm is raised then ball to hand counts.

"Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm"
"The position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement".

 

[Chronictank]

Interesting statement on the CFC website from paddypower;
Paddy Power said: 'The refereeing in tonight's match was disgraceful and we're not going to let our punters suffer because of that nonsense. Anyone who backed Chelsea to win in 90 minutes or to qualify for the Champions League final will get their money back.'"

Paddy power always do it when something controversial happens to a English team , if the roles were reversed they would have done no such thing

Great way to get free advertising tho

 

[Calo]

"Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm"
"The position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement".

What idiot will stand like pique ?? i mean, from now on every player may stand as a bird and if the ball hits their hand its ok?

Its 100% penalty and red card. I'm pretty sure he knew the ball was going to hit the hand and he just left it there.

 

[Marc]

Stick to rugby, you don't seem to understand the rules for football. Hand to ball is a penalty, ball to hand is not.

Dude, just stfu. Asking me if I know the rules of football. If a player raises his arm to make himself appear bigger, and the ball strikes his arm, its a penalty. The Eto one wasnt a penalty but the Pique one was. Stick to sucking off MON and leave the champions league to us lot.

 

[Everz]

I answer you on that.

Penalty claim 1) Foul was committed outside the box and yes finished just in the box, but the freekick evidently given for the initial foul. Understand what the ref done their if not totally agree with it.

penalty claim 2) Still personally think it a foul, judged on the shirt pull. However that didnt bring drogba down. On the angles shown it really hard to decide if was much leg contact. Feel taht could have been pen + red but more i see it the more im not sure.

penalty claim 3) Pique handball.... He lifted his hand there to make himself bigger object to get round, poor defending and a stonewall pen. Yes may have been a little ball to hand BUT, and this a big but, look at pique. He watched where teh ball was moving and purposely, due to poor defending and jumping in, he left his hand in place. This was the only stone wall penalty.

penalty 4) Eto handball... welll hit aronud the underarm and though seen them given they mostly are not... he turned away from ball and was "protecting" his face. See this kinda of "handball" every week from the wall during a freekick and i think i only ever seen 1 freekick given for it and never a penalty. That said in english footbball like that it may way been given but then the referee knew that decision alone would have changed the result so late and may have bottled it.

Chelsea cant say they got everything against them, against 10 men due to a boogus sending off they let barca have the posession and sat deep. But really was some poor decisions.

And Everz, lets see how you team do next season. guess we gonna have lots of crying in the football thread

So 1 stone wall, 1 probable and 2 that i seen given in past

It's a win-win.. we stay up we are premier league and can establish ourselves, we go down and we go down to the most competitive league and have some fun again.

 

[Everz]

The government realises that most football fans do not follow the "big four", this is just a way of currying favour with the populace before an election. It won't happen.

It will probably take action from UEFA to break up the stranglehold of the "big four" in the Premier League, probably one of Platini's brain waves.

Hopefully, one of Platini's better brainwaves, the money doesnt flow down the league ladder, there is a huge gulf between 4th and 5th place (as Villa have shown this season). Look at the amount of lower league clubs who are going into admin simply because the money doesnt come down to them combined with the FA's stupid punishments.

Change needs to happen.

 

[Calaen]

Have to say though, in both cases the better team went through. Judging on that display I can't see Man Utd winning on the 27th. I don't think their defence is as good as Chelsea's and I can't se them containing Messi and Eto I'm sure Blatter and Platini will be hoping the same.

Erm? we provide more of a threat going forward than Chelsea do, we have only conceded two goals less than Chelsea this season. Barca's defence is ravaged with suspensions and injuries I would have to say I will be very suprised if Barcalona win on the 27th.

 

[Corran]

Erm? we provide more of a threat going forward than Chelsea do, we have only conceded two goals less than Chelsea this season. Barca's defence is ravaged with suspensions and injuries I would have to say I will be very suprised if Barcalona win on the 27th.

dont be so sure about that... as a utd fan I still know how deadly barcelona can be... due to the barca defense I can see it being a "who can score the most" sort of game. They got pique and Puyol in centre back which is strong though weak in the air, something that man utd wont be able to take advantage of but they got the pace over the defense...

rooney and ronaldo up against weakened fullbacks should be exciting... though Im really really hoping we line up the same way as in the semi. Park deserves to play in the final this year, but if tevez is still on the line of possibly signing then he will be uptop with rooney and ronaldo on the wings.

Utd with vidic and rio bothfit it should swing our way. Rooney and Evra on Messi should be enough to keep him quiet often. Eto isnt the greatest this year so the cb's should be ok.

 

[Chronictank]

I can't see barca winning the final, they have pretty much lost all of their key players in defence :/
Ronaldo and Rooney will have a field day as mentioned above, other than fletcher Man U otherwise are in pretty good form