cash limit

[Oidche]

Unsigned stuff - I guess we are being taken away from using it since unsigned integer types are being educated in next year under advanced programming techniques.
Truly with Delphi you can write whatever you wish, even though different languages are better suited for different purposes ((V)C(++) for games, Java for "run on all" etc. etc.) but please stop calling Delphi lame, it could badly suprise you in certain challenges. (I personally prefer C++ even though I am not able of creating much with it yet).

I didn't call Delphi 'lame', but Delphi (or Pascal) isn't really considered a 'serieus' language.

Oh, and if you don't need the speed of C++, I'd suggest going for C#. It's much easier and cleaner.

Definitely not when you use it only where it's needed. I am just scared of when someone cames with idea building up 3D engine or some other floating-point loading stuff built on 64bit real type (or yet worse not 32 times X multiplied size like real48).

Ofcourse, DAoC's monetary system has nothing to do with the 3D engine.

BTW what is best size of variable for 32 bit computer? 32 bits?

It depends on what kind of 32bit var. 32 bit ints are faster than 32 bit floats for example. P4s have 7 ALU's I believe.

 

[sibanac]

I didn't call Delphi 'lame', but Delphi (or Pascal) isn't really considered a 'serieus' language.

tbh pascal/delphi is still one of the best languages to learn people to program cleanly, the compiler doesnt let you get away with much.
And I do know some big dev houses that use it

Oh, and if you don't need the speed of C++, I'd suggest going for C#. It's much easier and cleaner.

ofcourse the other advantage is that C++ will be portable to any platform and C# you are pretty much stuck on one platform

 

[Danya]

aye, computer is not able of representing real number, cause you can't have infinite development of decimals (or wtf u call it in english)

BCD and similar allow for arbitrary precision (basically whatever you can fit in memory), that's usually sufficient.

Unsigned stuff - I guess we are being taken away from using it since unsigned integer types are being educated in next year under advanced programming techniques.

I'd hardly call unsigned numbers an advanced technique - they are very basic and should be taught at the same time as signed numbers.

Truly with Delphi you can write whatever you wish, even though different languages are better suited for different purposes ((V)C(++) for games, Java for "run on all" etc. etc.) but please stop calling Delphi lame, it could badly suprise you in certain challenges. (I personally prefer C++ even though I am not able of creating much with it yet).

You misunderstand me, I was calling your class lame, not Delphi. Delphi is a turing complete language and as such has similar power to any other turing complete language (C, java etc.). Delphi has certain desirable features for RAD and similar uses hence it's widespread use for in-house tooling.

Definitely not when you use it only where it's needed. I am just scared of when someone cames with idea building up 3D engine or some other floating-point loading stuff built on 64bit real type (or yet worse not 32 times X multiplied size like real48). There I guess would be noticeable difference.

64-bit floating point is a very common size for use actually. It's the default size of floating point on many CPUs (such as x86) and is the default size for floating point in C/C++. Many games prefer 32-bit floats for performance reasons, but that is the excpetion as floating point use goes, rather than the rule. Incidentally the speed difference is not that large, unless you're targetting a CPU without 64-bit float support.

BTW what is best size of variable for 32 bit computer? 32 bits?

Yes - 32-bit will generally be the fastest type on a 32-bit machine (unless you're reading a lot of them, then smaller is better as it reduces memory bandwidth).

It depends on what kind of 32bit var. 32 bit ints are faster than 32 bit floats for example. P4s have 7 ALU's I believe

2 double-clocked ALUs (add/sub/logic) actually. Also 1 FPU and 1 integer shifter. Integer multiply and divide are done on the FPU.

 

[Danya]

tbh pascal/delphi is still one of the best languages to learn people to program cleanly, the compiler doesnt let you get away with much.
And I do know some big dev houses that use it

Ada is arguably better for that. Though not much used except by the US DOD.

 

[Honza]

Ada is arguably better for that. Though not much used except by the US DOD.

What's US 'DOD'? Thought Ada is US military "pascal" ?

 

[Revz]

Department of Defence

Ada is descended from Pascal yes.

 

[Danya]

Descended from, but they aren't the same by any means.

 

[Klonk]

The cap per character is also set at 200p, or possibly 1 copper under it.
Technically a character could hold more like Honza said, but a lower limit that's easier to remember is being enforced.

It's possible there are some ways to acquire cash to allow you to go over this softcap, but it isn't advisable

Yup, I remember having 199p 999g etc on a char, and could not accept more cash on that char, had to put it on another. Kind of a luxury problem, but still

 

[SevenSins]

Brain hurts

 

[punchy]

/em gets a giant key
/em locks the thread
/em walks away shaking head



shame on you compsci type people. boring boring boring boring

the question was about currency caps in a game not the relative merits of various data types and languages ffs...

 

[Falldorn]

Yup, I remember having 199p 999g etc on a char, and could not accept more cash on that char, had to put it on another. Kind of a luxury problem, but still

If it ever happens again, I'd be glad to help you carry/spend that extra cash

 

[Spix]

I dont get it, take it again please

 

[Danya]

/em gets a giant key
/em locks the thread
/em walks away shaking head



shame on you compsci type people. boring boring boring boring

the question was about currency caps in a game not the relative merits of various data types and languages ffs...

pwned

 

[Jayce]

3 guys arguing about the 'best' way to do something that is already done by Mythic, just ask Mythic ?

Also rather then argue with someone about different ways of doing something without knowing each others POV or methods, you can only argue why you would do it your way and not the 'best' way really. Learn all you can about all the programming languages involved before telling each other that they are a 'noob' or 'lame'.

Quite silly really.

 

[Revz]

There is nothing to say that Mythic implemented it the "right" way or even the "best" way.

 

[Danya]

Learn all you can about all the programming languages involved before telling each other that they are a 'noob' or 'lame'.

I have done... ;p

 

[Painbringer]

Get a life! you sad borrrrrring muppets! you are not making yourselves look good, WTF would anyone want 200p for anyway?

 

[Gamah]

Get a life! you sad borrrrrring muppets! you are not making yourselves look good, WTF would anyone want 200p for anyway?

Oh look everyone the "cool" guy has arrived to tell you how to live your life.. :touch:

 

[Chilly]

Get a life! you sad borrrrrring muppets! you are not making yourselves look good, WTF would anyone want 200p for anyway?

to buy the 5 artifacts+scrolls you need for your wtfpwn template ofc noob""!!!!!!1oneee11!!

 

[Danya]

Get a life! you sad borrrrrring muppets! you are not making yourselves look good, WTF would anyone want 200p for anyway?

Being ML10 makes you look real cool.

 

[Chrystina]

Yes - 32-bit will generally be the fastest type on a 32-bit machine (unless you're reading a lot of them, then smaller is better as it reduces memory bandwidth).

rubbish ... on a 32bit CPU a 32bit data type is the fastest, no matter what (unless you have a wanky CPU with 32bit databus and 16bit addressbus, but then I wouldn't dare calling it a 32bit CPU tbh)... if you split it into 16bit chunks for whatever reason you will get twice the amount of memory accesses and hence slowing down your data transfer ... unless the CPU has some smart data-prefetch which would end up at apx. the same speed as a normal 32bit access ...

 

[evzy]

Thats the most pages I have ever read that said "blah blah blah blah" ....so anyways ... whats the most cash one char can have then? Would the fact that if you could put in in both pockets, double the amount you can carry?

Also if you are running some mad programs to sort that out then what is the probability of your local CM taking Visa anytime soon - would this alter the cap of cash carried due to the fact it would be a ickle diddy card as opposed to a big sack o gold coins?

 

[Danya]

rubbish ... on a 32bit CPU a 32bit data type is the fastest, no matter what (unless you have a wanky CPU with 32bit databus and 16bit addressbus, but then I wouldn't dare calling it a 32bit CPU tbh)... if you split it into 16bit chunks for whatever reason you will get twice the amount of memory accesses and hence slowing down your data transfer ... unless the CPU has some smart data-prefetch which would end up at apx. the same speed as a normal 32bit access ...

It's called caching... If you read data it cahces the whole cache line (32 or 64 bytes), so as long as you're reading within that cache line smaller is better. And yes most modern CPUs will prefetch data to the cache. :-o

 

[Krakatau]

Just use assembler m8s :wub:

 

[punchy]

rubbish ... on a 32bit CPU a 32bit data type is the fastest, blah blah blah computers blah blah data blah blah programming etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...

Noooooo chrys :< you must resist the urge! I did! o0

:bagpuss: tbh

 

[Danya]

Just use assembler m8s :wub:

Good idea meight.

 

[Morchaoron]

WTF would anyone want 200p for anyway?

ebay ofc...........