bwra3l : cpma or ra3??

[old.Imposter]

Well.....

Ok so everyone has had their two cents (congrats) think I may as well get mine in, although I doubt I have enough experience of cpm to fill two whole cents

I have to be honest and say that the RG thru people bug(?) if I can call it that, I have experienced. It is incredibly odd and tbh makes going back to ra3 afterwards a bloody nightmare.

However in a recent cpm 1v1 (not cpm-ra3) tournament held by the good people at Thrustworld, I played (not particularly well) but have to say that I was impressed by the physics, the weapons and the server settings, it was a really fun alternative to endless Thunderstruck duels. And (odd) no apparant RG bug(?) I hit all the rails I expected to hit and missed the ones that I knew screwed up. Is this a trait of cpm ra3? Who knows, but I think its a little banal to deny the existence of these things, I mean if a lot of people notice it then perhaps its a good time to take note of it.

I recently downloaded the latest cpm (after a month of playing nothing but ra3 - aye tedious but they are the only populated servers) I was suprised to find that I made the move very easily this time around. After the first map (duels as there werent enough on the server for ca) I had hit 50+% rail, about 10% more than a reasonable hour on an ra3 server, my lg was better and rockets, about the same. But overall an improvement on my gameplay?!?!

I would urge people to just "try" cpm, but give it time. You cant expect to go from ra3 (with its immense dll treacle) to something as smooth and natural as cpm without a few teething problems.

On the flip side (there always is one in these debates) the prominence of the LG in clan games is very apparant, but everyone starts with the same health/armour, and the same amount of ammo. If you're clan finds itself being raped with lg's then I'm afraid its either your tactics or your aim! But it wont happen on all maps, If you take a fall back position on map4 i doubt a clan can rape u with lg's from the garden However if you try and take the upper courtyard in map11 against a clan who have been practicing their "dry rape" techniques then expect to be walking funny for a few days afterwards.

I have 2 problems with cpm:
1: Lack of support from the UK gisp's with regards to public servers. I make a point of refreshing the cpm servers everyday in ase to see if i can jump into a reasonably populated server. But i rarely get in once a week.

2: WTF is going on with the self damage noise??!?! I somehow manage to be lg'd (from behind) to about 5 health without actually realising i've been hit. I think thats more to do with getting used to it, as in ra3, you know when you're hit. Its violent and all too apparant that someone has a large electric spewing shaft up your rectum. Perhaps something for a future mod, or is there a setting you can change? I've looked through the documentation but cant see anything.

Final point (prolly about $75 worth now ) The bw league is going ra3 and not cpm, just read it on the site. I'll continue admining and playing in it (if a3 do) but I think it will be detrimental to one side of my play. ra3 or cpm will suffer if people have to jump about between mods.

Ta imp xx

 

[old.unc]

Also worried by the very secluded approach some have from the ra3 community. Those ppl possibly accept that the level of individual skill is in fact generally much higher than what can be found in the ra3 community. This could be worrying as it would if tdm/ctf ppl began playin ra3 lead to a shake up of the top clans. Im hoping that as much as some clans have said they will leave that they wont as some large and well established clans leaving what is one of the biggest leagues in europe is not beneficial.

neway we are "stuck" with ra3 for the time being and i will as an admin support the decision made by fix as to be able not to piss off anyone when making ur mind up on someit this big is impossible. All thats needed to be said imo has been said and appears over the last few days at least that many of the misconceptions held by the majority are on their way to being addressed.

On a personal note im happy with offline life atm and will not be playin ra3 from now on until i get a connection that can handle the shit netcode or find some extra time from somewhere. I will however continue to admin whenever im available to do so.

Look forward to new season and hopefully the same clans that finished last time around

unc

 

[old.sansai]

RA3 :/

Tbh it couldn't be best explained than the way Swelt did.
And I have to add that it is true, at clanbase not everyone like Robo is absolutely convinced that there's no need for CPMA (can't hear anything more irritating than "we won't play on CPMA but on OSP when it will support MultiArena" when CPMA IS the MA version of OSP, according to the coders of both mods :/)

I can't stand having to play RA3 under that old, out of date, buggy RA3 mod, when there is a fresh, enhanced in so many ways, regularly updated mod that is waiting for us to play with.

And oh yes of course, it feels "different". As RA3 has broken Q3 physics, and as OSP has enhanced them, as RA3 has an old and out of date netcode while CPMA's one is enhanced and make it possible to play in good conditions even with a 100 ms ping, yes, it feels different.
But I personnally feel "different" is a synonym for "ALOT BETTER FFS" here :/

Anyway if bwra3l is going to use RA3 I'm glad I haven't joined it yet with my new clan, jolt and savage will do a lot better aswell

 

[Sar]

Well that's me not playing in the BWRA3L this season.

Played Fix ffs.

 

[old.Robo]

Clanbase

Let me clear some things up about clanbase:

- 'Clanbase has 80+ clans'

The reason why clanbase has to many teams participating is not because of RA3 or CPMA but because the servers are not fixed and thus 'any' clan can sign up.

- 'Not a lot of UK clans this season in clanbase'

The only clan I really missed was Clan X. The UK is fortunate enough to have descent leagues with their own servers that require minimal effort from the teams. Clanbase never had a whole lot of UK clans because of this, clanbase takes more time to sort and play games but you'll play clans that are not in bw/savage/jolt.

- 'Robo is absolutely convinced that there's no need for CPMA'

Best one last from no other then sansai
Last season clans were allowed to use CPMA in clanbase if they both wanted it (this was even before people started the whole 'go cpma!' thing iirc) but this was hardly used. If the clans liked CPMA so much then why were there no more CPMA games?

I also allowed it in the nations cup and even tried to get the teams to use it as nice exibition games of CPMA but it were the teams that wanted RA3. (Note: UK-NL used CPMA but the game just stopped all of a sudden without a warning while tl was 0 and I could not get GTV working, GTV did not want to join arena's)

This season CPMA no longer supports 'vq3' so I decided to not allow CPMA at all because of this and because last season no one used it. I hoped for OSP MultiArena because that would boost the amount of servers and it would be logical to play all the big mods (dm/ctf/ra3) in OSP and forget about 'RA3'.

The only 'community' really using CPMA is Germany, if I heard correct then the French league will also continue with RA3 and the UK is now mixed. As swelt said; clanbase relies on other peoples servers so if there are no servers then there is no way clanbase will use CPMA, if the big leagues like BW, sra3l.dk change to CPMA then there will be more servers (throughout Europe, very important) and clanbase can consider using CPMA but until then it will be RA3.

Personally, as a player, I don't care wether RA3 or CPMA are used. I think CPMA is fine and I like all the options it has (I can't see sh!t in RA3 with all the damn smoke and crap LG (picmip 0/1)) and I even play CPM duels for fun. As admin I also like CPMA because of all its options which make it easier and better to actually admin games.

So why didn't I change RA3 to CPMA in clanbase? Because I feel most teams (in clanbase) still prefer RA3 and there is a serious lack of servers making it even harder (i.e. impossible) to find a descent one (with ref vote etc.). A combination of both mods was also no longer possible because they are too different now.

 

[old.[gX.POrN]]

Well CPMA is a different game agreed, but God damn its faster paced, more accurate and a damn lot more cheat protected then ra3 :/ although that demo from the psycho lads was scary stuff :/

With savage and jolt (when is jolt gonna start their league?) going to cpma it's probably safe that BW stick with ra3, cpma has been what we've wanted for ages, but the way it's splitting the whole ra3 community is annoying. We need ra4 and fast lads.. that'll sort it.

rant over

 

[old.sansai]

Re: Clanbase

Originally posted by Robo
Let me clear some things up about clanbase:

- 'Clanbase has 80+ clans'

The reason why clanbase has to many teams participating is not because of RA3 or CPMA but because the servers are not fixed and thus 'any' clan can sign up.

Yup, that's one good point of clanbase, although it also has its disadvantages. The main advantage is that it allows a huge number of clans to participate, and it's cool to play clans from a lot of different countries.
But there are problems that goes with the clanbase system : firstly it can be hard sometimes to find a good server between, let's say, a swedish and an italian team. CPMA would be a nice solution to that, because it is really playable with a 100ms ping. But the other disadvantage is that there are few CPMA servers.
I am a bit hard with clanbase because I know it isn't easy for it to make people play CPMA. But one thing is true, saying "CPMA no longer suports vQ3" is pointless in ra3. The only difference between vQ3 and cQ3, concerning CA thus RA3, is the shotgun (which is better in cQ3 imo, and not because it's CPMA, but because it's much more accurate, and isn't the same lottery as in vQ3)

- 'Robo is absolutely convinced that there's no need for CPMA'

Best one last from no other then sansai
Last season clans were allowed to use CPMA in clanbase if they both wanted it (this was even before people started the whole 'go cpma!' thing iirc) but this was hardly used. If the clans liked CPMA so much then why were there no more CPMA games?

Always that story of servers lacking all over europe. I'm sure you encounter that in other game/mods where there are clanbase cups and/or ladders, but few servers all over europe ; do people keep on playing this game/mod or do the majority of them move to a more popular game, with more servers available ? Does it change anything about the quality of the game really ?
I have seen excellent mods not even beginning to have success just because of a lack of servers.

I also allowed it in the nations cup and even tried to get the teams to use it as nice exibition games of CPMA but it were the teams that wanted RA3. (Note: UK-NL used CPMA but the game just stopped all of a sudden without a warning while tl was 0 and I could not get GTV working, GTV did not want to join arena's)

Oh well, haven't you ever seen a misconfigured RA3 server ? Well, CPMA is not THAT magic, it does not configure itself all alone, it needs to be properly configured by someone, just like for RA3.

This season CPMA no longer supports 'vq3' so I decided to not allow CPMA at all because of this and because last season no one used it. I hoped for OSP MultiArena because that would boost the amount of servers and it would be logical to play all the big mods (dm/ctf/ra3) in OSP and forget about 'RA3'.

I answered to that before ; CPMA is the MA version of OSP, cQ3 does not change a thing appart from the shotgun, the other differences are related to TDM, which we don't give a fuck about in RA3. OSP will never support MA as CPMA already supports it.

The only 'community' really using CPMA is Germany, if I heard correct then the French league will also continue with RA3 and the UK is now mixed.

Concerning RA3FRL, you're better informed than the admins themselves (whoever told you it would go on RA3). Concerning the UK, 2 out of 3 leagues are going CPMA, and the 3rd is going on RA3 but TheFixer took this decision while alot of clans/players are expressing their disagreement here, including a certain number of league admins.

As swelt said; clanbase relies on other peoples servers so if there are no servers then there is no way clanbase will use CPMA, if the big leagues like BW, sra3l.dk change to CPMA then there will be more servers (throughout Europe, very important) and clanbase can consider using CPMA but until then it will be RA3.

Of course, CPMA needs more and more servers (and promode 0 servers, let to the promoders their promode 1 servers please, they really need them as there are not many)

Personally, as a player, I don't care wether RA3 or CPMA are used. I think CPMA is fine and I like all the options it has (I can't see sh!t in RA3 with all the damn smoke and crap LG (picmip 0/1)) and I even play CPM duels for fun. As admin I also like CPMA because of all its options which make it easier and better to actually admin games.

So why didn't I change RA3 to CPMA in clanbase? Because I feel most teams (in clanbase) still prefer RA3 and there is a serious lack of servers making it even harder (i.e. impossible) to find a descent one (with ref vote etc.). A combination of both mods was also no longer possible because they are too different now.

Then I must apologize, as I always felt you were against CPMA, I was wrong.
But I insist on the fact that (apart from that SG modification), CPMA isn't more different from RA3 than it was before supporting cQ3 instead of vQ3, at least for the only thing that we're interested in here, ie Clan Arena.
Read on the gameplay modifications in cQ3, and you will see that everything is related to TDM except for the SG.

Lastly, there is another thing that is interesting : I know a fucking LOT of players playing TDM/CTF or duel AND RA3. As TDM/CTF/Duel players, they HAVE to play OSP, at least in any league game.
So what do they do when they come back to RA3 ? They have to get used again to broken RA3 physics instead of going on playing under enhanced OSP physics.
And I don't think there is such a lot of players playing RA3 only, and having no TDM/CTF clan.

Then what is the difference with switching between RA3 and CPMA constantly ? To me there is none, it's always a story of having to play under broken RA3 physics and out of date netcode, while you know under OSP or CPMA you would have enhanced physics, netcode, admin mode, spec mode, coach mode soon supported in CPMA 0.99w1 (hell yes, CPMA is still improving, beeing frequently updated, when was the last RA3 update remind me ? 1 year and a half ago ?), etc...

Really I can't see any good reason to want RA3 rather than CPMA *except* maybe for clanbase, because there is that servers lack

 

[old.[gX.POrN]]

aye

Top post dood..... cpma is the future init.... sorry to not sound as articulate as the previous poster.. but in layman's terms it's simple to see.. "ra3 netcode is redundant.. why support it...it was once, in it's day a great mod .. I for one was raised on ra3 and ra3 alone... but cpma, osp based ra3 is the future, BW have stalled, but I very much doubt season 5 will be ra3 and not cpma...."

Again top post dood!

 

[old.Robo]

sansai:

I seriously doubt finding servers will be easier with CPMA even if it had the same amount of servers as RA3 now. Ping 50 versus ping 100 will always result in people complaining no matter how well it plays.

I know CPMA basically is OSP MA with another SG but that doesn't matter. The main advantage of OSP would be that any OSP server could be used and you don't need a special instal like CPMA. This won't happen so let's forget about it.

It didn't really matter how good CPMA was when I had to make a decision what mod CB would use (obviously I did take it into account), more imporant was:
What do the clans want? - I still think that most teams want RA3 and I'm assuming this is the same in BW.

I also think that CPMA will never be the main mod but if this happens, if the majority of clans (that sign up for CB) want CPMA then I will change to it, regardless of the amount of servers etc.

 

[bigfoot]

Something for you fellas to think about in all your "pro-CPMA" ranting.

Usage stats for the the CPM & Ra3 servers we run:

Normal CPM = For past month average users has been 5 players *at best* per evening. Note this means at the highest point of the evening, not a constant thing.

CPMA Ra3 = For past month average users has been 6 players *at best* per evening on Server 1, and 4 on server on Server 2.

Ra3Map1 server = 14 users on average pretty much all the evening, usually full at 16 as most people will agree.

Ra3 League Maps = 8 users on average at best during the evening.

This means of course that theres almost as many people playing Ra3Map1 server as there is playing on *all* the 3 CPM servers.

Now you can argue reasons as to why this is (people play where people are etc) but if there was enough genuine support and interest in the game then surely the usage stats would show this? They don't, and there is obviously a lot of people who still play vanilla Ra3 and enjoy it. As someone who will be playing mostly in the league for my Ra3 i really don't care if its CPMA or Ra3, but the fact its going to be Ra3 is of benefit to me as i don't have to install anything extra.

There's little doubt that a number of the top "hardcore" clans really want to see CPMA, one has to ask why though when as i have shown the usage of CPMA servers don't seem to support this crusade of theirs. There are some nice features in CPMA, and perhaps it is only these l33t0r clans who have seen them used properly which is why they really believe in its benefits of being used, but then again CPMA is *not* the game the general gaming public play on our servers and until that becomes the case then i'm sure its pretty easy to understand as to why Fixer is reluctant to move over to CPMA.

 

[old.sansai]

well

Just one think you just didn't take into account bigfoot : sometimes we want to play with people we know and like, and as some people I know and like (although I spank them everyday for not playing CPMA pm 0 instead of RA3) only play on RA3 servers, I force myself to play on RA3 servers, and so do all of my teammates.
Now when we are LANning together we always (I mean *always*, no exception) use CPMA, and there is no doubt about us all wanting to play CPMA.

Weirdly though, online, we are most of our time on RA3 servers because these are when we can find either pro- or anti-CPMA pm0 players (the point is, anti-CPMA pm0 WON'T play CPMA pm0, while pro-CPMA pm0 have been playing RA3 for nearly 2 years, so they can force themselves into playing it a little more just to play with their friends who don't like CPMA pm 0.

RA3 servers are the only place where you will find both pm 0 supporters and dislikers, so I don't think that statistic does mean anything, although it shows people like me should play a lot more on CPMA pm 0 servers to show the good example

By the way, when I play CPMA pm 0, I usually go on german servers because there are more people and I don't like duel or 2vs2 that much and with the few people that are on jolt and barrys CPMA pm 0 servers, I rather want to find a full server.
I'm mostly a CA addict, and it's the same for a certain number of other french pm 0 lovers (while we don't know if the RA3FRL will be pm 0 or not - although it was absolutely sure a few weeks ago still - we are still lacking servers in France).

Don't know how inaccurate this does make your server stats, but I'm sure the small amount of players on CPMA pm0 servers isn't at all significant compared to the number of ppl willing to move on to CPMA (or a lot of people are supporting CPMA pm 0, when I talk about it with them, against their will).

 

[bigfoot]

I did mention that (people go where people are bit) but if you people are so happy playing with yer m8s online in Ra3 then why wouldn't that be same be in a league?

I guess that like me Fixeh's gotta make his decisions based on the whole of the league, not the elite few. I've had this problem with all the leagues i have run in that you have to balance out the needs of the top clans who want everything *just how they like it* and the general make up of the league who just want a decent competition to play in. It's cost me clans in other leagues because they weren't willing to go by our rules, but at the same time the leagues have become very popular in part because of this.

What the server usage shows is that in general there isn't the same passion for CPMA as there is for Ra3, there might well be with certain clans and certain people within those clans but at the end of the day people simply aren't playing CPMA on our servers in the same numbers as Ra3, so why should we convert over to CPMA?

p.s. I'm only writing these views as my own, not Fixers, and shouldn't be taken as reason for the decision but just support as it, i'd be happy to support Fixer if he went down the CPMA route aswell although there would be good reason for Ra3 players to be miffed at the decision if that happened as i have shown.

 

[old.sansai]

Nobody said we were "happy" of playing ra3 anymore, we're just "used to it", and "doing with it" until something better happens.

The time will come when CPMA pm 0 fans will have enough of that crap that is RA3 and will stop using it, whatever the amount of people going on playing on RA3 servers (tbh it's nearer and nearer for me, I can hardly play RA3 these days and prefer to play on german CPMA pm 0 servers with a 105 ms ping than on RA3 french servers with a 60-80ms, for obvious reasons told before).

But I don't wanna sound too hard you see, I hope it is clear that my only aim is to promote CPMA pm 0 because it is a lot better than RA3 and can only be an improvement in many ways for the RA3 community, I don't want to flame fix or tell him he and his league are shit if he chooses RA3, I just wanna be sure he thinks twice, or even ten, I mean a thousand times, before going on another season under RA3 (which is such a crap, so many bugs, so uneasy to admin, impossible to spec because of the bugs, etc etc etc etc etc etc......).

It's a big decision he has to take, because we can be sure CPMA has a lot of things to give to RA3, and will have even more with time passing by thanks to arQon's work, while the RA3 mod is dead, while never improve, will never be fixed (and how it would need it !), has nothing more to give than the same old bugs, lack of comfort, lack of options, war-specific stuff, and so on.

Btw, public server's games do not need enhanced spec mode and admin/referee mode, and thus do not suffer from RA3's lacks in these particular points (although it suffers from alot of other RA3 lacks/bugs/out of date stuff).
But while playing a league war it shows that RA3 can't give us what we need.

I just want fix to be sure the real good decision has to be made towards the amount of players playing on the barrysworld RA3 servers (although it does not tell AT ALL how many players would prefer RA3 than CPMA, I insist on that)

 

[old.Imposter]

Please let it end!

Just a quickie, this really is a hot topic atm which will doubtless run and run and run. The general ra3 gaming public is reflected by your public server stats. If you could see how many of your 16 people constant every evening are clanned and trying to play the game to a good standard, it would perhaps be 2/3 per evening.

I'm not suggesting that BWRA3L should go CPMA just to apease the Div1 clans, I think those clans will vote with their feet and play in the leagues they want, where perhaps the standard will be higher due to the features of CPMA. Once again I think it unfair to blame CPMA supporters for their lack of playing on servers. I think an interesting test would be to remove the Ra3 Servers for a week and see just how full the CPMA ones become. I think that would tell the story, more than any forum flaming. At the moment Ra3 is the easy alternative, the public like it because they know it. Its been out for years and they don't have to learn anything new. That is your 16 people per evening, not the people who will play in the league. (That and the endless stream of Aliasing Euros, but thats a different story)

I do however fully lend my support to Fix on his decision, and will be as regular an admin as I ever was. One day if the league moves over to CPMA I will play in it again, until then I really can't afford my game to go downhill due to the constant changing.

Sorry, promised a quickie, oops!

Seriously tho, to those who think people are kicking up a fuss about Fix's decision, you have a choice, Either play in the league or don't. No one is forcing you. No one makes people run these leagues, and they certainly don't cost anything to join. Just please don't start abusing people and their decisions, its not fair.

And yes everyone is entitled to an opinion

 

[old.xBaboon]

Interesting thing looking at those stats is that more people play on the cpm ra style servers per evening than on the league map server. Public map1 llamaism has never and imo will never be a true representation of what a league should be based on, more a place where it's very easy to get a quick fix and play ffa.

And touching on what was said before, you can't blame cpm for a game not happening the way you wanted it to, take 10 minutes out and RTFM. It's just madness to call a mod difficult to use or crap just because people won't take 10 minutes to read before they play.

(p.s. keep this up, not had good forum debate like this for ages)

 

[old.Kapiter]

hum

Tophy: "RA3 league will remain to RA3 (CLanbase)"

CB is often played on crappy public servers without an admin, I never saw it as a reference, sorry. CB, more than bwra3l, would need cpma imho, with better netcode and no cheat

Too bad bwra3l stays on ra3. MsR will not leave it anyway like Defiance did, even I found them courageous to do so and respect a lot their decision.

BWRA3L was the true reference for non-scandinavian european clans. Unfortunaly with some clans leaving, Savage for exemple will gather more top clans than bwra3l, and it is just a beginning. Save your league, move to cpma (or osp).

 

[old.tophy]

pow

We often got an admin, I can say in 95% of game we got a CB admin ....

And between, i don't care if we play CPMA or RA3, Xe will play whatever the mod is ... My suggestion would be to lay the whole season on OSP CA dm6...

Salute

 

[old.sansai]

mmm

then Xe are lucky because with BunK I never got any admin, but well it's not CB's fault if they're lacking admin (maybe RA3's fault at worse, because adminning under RA3 is so annoying), and it's not the right place to flame CB anyway

 

[old.tophy]

blah

Admin RA3 game is :

Call a vote to comp mode with armor and falling default map (3 to 5 seconds). Let everybody vote (15 - 20 seconds) Everybody click then play. Only annoying thing is no pause ... anyway let s replay the round if a pause was needed... I don't like pauses anyway.

Damn Admin a RA3 game seems really difficult !

 

[old.sansai]

*sigh*

ok, adminning a RA3 match under RA3 is really easy, tell that to all bw/cb admins and listen to what they will answer. Ever admined in any league toph ?

 

[old.Kapiter]

!

we never had an admin in CB.

and CB admin is much more important than in BW, just because of the server choice. when playing against laming scandinavian clans, which never want to play on a server where they are 50+, and forcing us to play with 100+ ping just because we were sick to wait and to discuss endlessly about that. Great league indeed.

BW definitively rules, we dont care CB a shit.

anyway back to the main subject of this thread

 

[Sar]

Re: blah

Originally posted by tophy
Admin RA3 game is :

Call a vote to comp mode with armor and falling default map (3 to 5 seconds). Let everybody vote (15 - 20 seconds) Everybody click then play. Only annoying thing is no pause ... anyway let s replay the round if a pause was needed... I don't like pauses anyway.

Damn Admin a RA3 game seems really difficult !

Nice description of how to get a competitive game underway, but I don't see any explanation of how to admin an RA3 match?

From a demo taking perspective alone RA3 is utterly wank for admins - the admin has to actually join the teams if he wants to get a demo. Frankly that's bollocks.

No pausing?

Forcing even sides, thereby leading to dodgy activities by some clans?

No spec mode, thereby negating subs on the server?

No admin options outside of Rcon?

Eurgh.

I should know, I've adminned RA3 league games before, and tried running an RA3 league, but the mod is so admin-unfriendly. And CRT has gone out of his way to ensure competitive RA3 in leagues is hard, because he believes it shouldn't be played in leagues. Which is why RA3 has piss poor admin options, and why it'll never have adequate admin options.

 

[old.tophy]

Bah it's coz we are Xtrem eleet

Sansai all training we are playing with Xe took less than 2 minutes to vote settings plus comp mode and ready ... Could you explain what is the difficulty to vote any game ???

In my experience during traing I propose the vote they accept and we play ...

But as I already said I don't care let's play CPMA if u want this discussion is only for leet lamers who prefers to speaks about politics things instead of just playing. Only one clan ever proposed to Xe to play CPMA it was Defiance and the training was cancelled ... Maybe all the clan we are playing with didn't care of this debate.

I stop playing Rocket Arena Coz there is no leet admin things Let me laugh

I stop playing RA3 coz there are too much Bot ahahhaha stop online gaming will be better

I stop playing RA3 coz the code is 1.27 ahahah no it s a good reason but this code has been used for 2 years how lakerman and fata played this lame code !!!

I stop playing due to lame command to see through wall (goto excuse number 2)

I sto...........

The opposite :

I stop rocket Arena coz shaft is easier in CPMA ahahahah you just have to aim even better with CPMA and the aiming will always be better for the best player even if the aiming is easier due to the code

I stop ROcket Arena coz CPMA is diferent of RA3 .... Hummm go find a RA3 league and stop crying

I stop Rocket Arena coz CPMA have all that command to remove smoke to add brightskin ... (this is me I would prefer basics settings with smoke none hack shaft or brightskin coz I used to play with that) Tophy u lamer U know that all RA3er cheat their pak

My conclusion all the stupid arguments is time consuming !! Go and connect to ur prefered Rocket arena code or whatever, find 15 playings and frag.

 

[old.tophy]

pow

Sar ur comments are true ...

I just want to underline that both mode can be played and the position on both side are stupid.

This is the POV of a player not an admin.

But anyway it is too late BW will go to RA3
Savage CPMA
CB RA3
RA3FRL CPMA

Jolt will go to Q4 or D3

doh 50% 50%

Enjoy

 

[old.sansai]

just one thing

"Sansai all training we are playing with Xe took less than 2 minutes to vote settings plus comp mode and ready ... Could you explain what is the difficulty to vote any game ???"

K then, no need for admins in any league if I follow you, training-like games will suit aswell

To the other arguments, I've answered a thousand times, but nm, I just understood one thing while talking with cheef : the problem is not about RA3 or CPMA themselves, although it's strongly related to these mods of course ; but it's most of all related to one's demand towards the mod with which he plays RA3.

I am one big fan of CPMA and for that I want all RA3 leagues to go CPMA pm 0 only.
But cheef succeeded in making me understand the following thing : some people just don't care if RA3 is broken, out of date, etc. They're used to RA3, like it the way it is, and do not want things to change, do not see why it should change as everything's ok this way to them.

Having said that, I wonder now if the best thing would not be a BW CPMA pm 0 League AND a Barrysworld RA3 League, as I'm still sick of RA3 and an active supporter of CPMA pm 0 ; but I think if a large number of people want to stick to RA3 although they are perfectly aware of how much CPMA pm 0 is better, they should still have a chance to play RA3 under RA3, shouldn't they ?

Dunno, my theory has always been, "man, you don't know what you're missing, open your fuckin eyes and ears ffs or are you just deaf and blind ?!", or something like that, but now, what if the guy knows what he's missing but still wants to go on RA3ing under RA3 ?
Isn't it his right, as wrong as he could be ?

 

[old.tophy]

fs

Peoples don't care ... They are playing the mod they used to play. If I take the average clan they won't understand why we are speaking of all this stuffs ...

List servers ... Connect ... enjoy

Leet : Discuss blablabla pro cons conservatives vs pro CPMA ... blablabla


I am at work therefore I have time to discuss, I am at home I just want to play !

 

[old.unc]

those of us leet ppl debating this small issue are possibly looking to save what is a dwindling community from totally seperating itself from the rest of the q3 community. I will if i get time play cpm in leagues but see little point in even practicing on ra3 servers now with lack of time and connection to compete properly. As an admin i will try to admin a few games when i get some time but its frustrating that when i do it will boring and unfunctional.

Fix has made a decision on what will be used, the community is split and we all know cpm is the better mod :] Clans will drop from the leagues and its gonna be interesting how much of an effect this is gonna have as regards level of competition and future interest in the mod.

I do however see the reasons for both sides and will stand fully behind the decision made by fix. But as things stand i will not play what i consider an inferior mod in leagues.

unc

 

[old.unc]

another quick point. If ppl consider the uk ra3 community to be strong in terms of talent please note that 3 well established and highly talented clans (D/Fury/X, being ones im aware of) have made it clear they will not be involved in bwra3l until it switches to cpm. Ive spoken to various ppl involved in other clans who are unsure what sort of squad they will have available and find myself for once agreeing with marteee (all ping cunt ) when he says div1 is likely to be a joke. a3 have a large squad and will have ppl to play in bw but its not as strong as we probably would have under cpm. There are still good clans left but tbh its a shame that its not gonna be as close run as the past seasons have been.

unc

 

[old.A3GiR]

come on..leaving a league cose it stay ra3 (when u played it in 2 last seasons) is stupid.
I don t think we can just ALL go to cpma so quickly..
it is already a good thing that there some leagues in cpma.
Obviously dont expect the leagues the change ALL to cpma in just 1 season cose it s not like a "simple ra3 update".

eventually , cpma might take over ra3 if it isn t updated..
so 1 more season in ra3 won t hurt u..
and u can play cpma in other leagues

 

[old.EatMe]

BlackHaiL are staying in, personally I don't give a fuck what it is RA3 or CPMA, it all rocks.