BW servers are anally configured

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old.Jonesy

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:(

That mean you not gonna drop in?

*whaaaaaaaaaaa*
 
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old.GRiLLA

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What on earth is going on here ?

Tribes newblood please don't get the wrong message from this forum !!

The UK Tribes community is without a doubt the most friendly and commited group I have ever met. There are so many unsung heros who out in enormous amounts of work to create some truely great leagues and develop the game to a further level.

Please do not think of Tribes 1 Veterans as a bunch of arrogant n00b h8rs. For one I don't recognise the nicks of most of the anti-n00b people commenting in here. n00bs will find that most T1 tribes are recruiting new members for T2, both because the games will be bigger and require more players and because half the T1 community have Voodoos they can't get to work ;)

If you would rather form your own tribe try to make contact with leaders of others, in my experience they are all more than willing to share their wisdom. Most tribes are always looking out for willing tribes to have friendlies with. When I formed a little tribe called |NM| along with Barak, EgoWarrior and Hoku years back we spent ages playing friendlies before daring to enter the leagues.

Keep an eye on the excellent http://www.tribesnation.co.uk for details of the upcoming BWT2L and fun cups, also the weekly MegaGame (no Tribal affiliation required!!) and get involved.

|TH|GRiLLA

GRiLLA@barrysworld.com
 
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Morpheus, nice post m8.

One thing for all = no new players means no Tribes 3...
T1 scene was v v small and its good to see new clans and faces.

Regards
Xtro

Barrysworld T2 Community Liasion and BWTL admin
 
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old.Ewan

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Im not quite sure what the issue is here with a few (<10) people saying that some new players havent been behaving as they should on a server. Thats all this thread is, and yet we've had moderators, community liasons, and god knows who else posting in here about how big twats the tribes community is.

Were you people not alive in the days of the Quake2 release? Have you forgotten already the hundreds of posts long threads about the new players, the new game style, and all the other bitching? Quake2 moved on, the community grew despite the QW community constantly whinging about stuff, and eventually everyone stopped caring and just played.

This thread is 4 pages long. 4 pages! Thats 93 posts so far. Its nothing for gods sake! When the thread is 500 posts long with posts from dozens of old tribes 1 players all bitching about new players ill start to think maybe there's an issue here.

Until then, get back to reality people, its a culture clash between 2 groups, and if any of you moderators truely believe this is a big deal then i really dont see how you've survived this long as moderators.

Ewan
 
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old.Kurt_Angle

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No clash, i just want to play the game i payed 30 quid for last week. If people have a problem with that, it's there problem not mine i guess:)

One small clash:eek:

Originally posted by BruZteR
everyone who played tribes settled on the one way of doing things, you saying that everyone was wrong?



Originally posted by BruZteR
it doesn't work like that, public games are there to be play for fun but under the same conditions as a league game


Sorry i just had to post that again :rolleyes: ROLFLMAO :rolleyes:
 
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old.{ velvet }

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Can I just point out that of the actual Tribes (1) players who've posted here we have a former Tribes League Chief Admin, at least 2 former Site Admins for TribesNation (arguably the UK's best resource for Tribes news and info), a Deputy Chief Admin for a former Tribes League, several clan leaders and a few admins. On the whole, people who've invested lots of time into making this one of the friendliest communities you'll find.

People here don't want to get rid of newbies. People here don't want Tribes 2 to be played by only Tribes (1) players. If you did a straw poll I think you'd find most of us would rather everyone played Tribes 2 and stopped wasting their time on Counter-Strike etc.

The only real intention expressed here as been is that the servers are setup how the game not even *should* be played, but will most likely be played, which we're judging on years of experience playing the most similar game to Tribes 2 around. We're all more than happy to help new players, but somehow our desire to help them play an 'anally configured' version of Tribes 2 is lacking.

And for all of you who have stated that we all suck blah blah blah, get in #bwtl and on the servers and stop showing yourself up as bigger arses than anyone who has asked for team damage to be on.

Think thats all, apart from a thanks to Deathace for sorting the servers quickly. Only problem now is that they've all been voted onto CTF, but I can see that being a problem everywhere :(

[BR]velvet
ex-Wireplay Tribes League Chief Admin
ex-TribesNation Site Admin
ex-Newbie School Runner
 
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old.sjp

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If you go back and read some of these posts it doesent look very nice.

They are out an out nasty agianst some of the bw admins, they come across as very elitest, and it sounds like the t1 players are demanding that t2 works in the same way.

In reality, I am sure you guys are right in aksing for what you want, its jsut thre is asking and demanding, there is a big difference.

On the plus side the more recent posts all seem to have been good natured and alot more friendly.



PS.

the thread as prob grown so big because ppl like me (iam bored with q3 and want a change) check out these forums cos they gives a good indication of what the "better" players out there are like.

personally i havent run out and bought the game for the obvoius bug problems it has at the moment, but mainly because of the fact that t2 would requie quite a lot of work from me

iam a q3 ffa type, so id prob fall into the newbie bracket, and i dont think i can be arsed going threw all that newbie crap again :(
 
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old.{ velvet }

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Fair points.

As someone who quit Tribes 18 months ago, and have spent the more recent months playing Q3 TDM I'd say forget worrying about being a newbie and go and buy this. Unless you really can't afford £25 this game is more fun than anything else out there even with the bugs.

And I'm sure you now know all of us lot are available to come and ask newbie questions to :)
 
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old.BruZteR

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just one thing.

Fair enough I was pissed off before, and I'm still pissed off. I'm not going to pretend that part of it is that Kurt_Angle seems to take valid points and derive significant amusement from it. Which is nice. We DO NOT have a problem with newbies I will however demonstrate 2 situations, which have actually happened, in which I DO have something against people who will not learn:

Situation A:

Case A: I'm defending flag on some map, and a person who I take for granted is new, places an inventory roughly 4 feet from the flag, I had had flag mined. Someone comes down and tries to take the flag, I disk mine, kill enemy, inventory is destroyed. Newbie spends next 2 minutes throwing plasma into my face because I destroyed his inventory. I explain. He says ok, and goes and puts another inventory down in exactly the same place, this happens four times before he says "fuck you homo you suck" and leaves.

Case B: Newbie runs over flag mines 3 times, I tell newbie that this is flag defense and mines kill flag cappers (nicely again). Newbie actually apologises,stays and remines flag aswell, thanks me for the information and watches what happens with mines vs. enemies! (hurrah!)

Situation B:

Newbie whilst playing sanctuary was again a case of flag defense annihilation on his own team. Two of us told him. He stopped and apologised. He then fired a disk at an incoming capper (can't remember if it was his shot that killed) and then someone on <u>our</u> team complained about him killing them. They said it about 5 times on global chat, a vote was initiated, and even though about 6 people said that it was impossible because TD was off, the guy was banned.

I'm sure even the people who I annoyed with my slightly overenthusiastic statement of points can see some worryingly dense examples of people who just don't want to learn and who don't listen there. And it probably happens on both teams on every map. We're not here sitting saying we don't want newbies, we DO. We're sitting here saying we're sick of the one's who won't learn even though we DO TELL THEM AND TRY TO HELP. And btw...yes we are not as someone mentioned "elitest" this comment about an "in-joke" from the Tribes 1 community would be understood by anyone who'd spent about an hour in #bwtl, which is 90% of the people in this thread (if you come along to there you'll find out that we're honestly not this evil all the time). And yeh I have to agree with Shaz's newbie vs. newbie comment aswell.
Sorry, flame me now, I'm ready this time. Since I'm away to bed and will have calmed down by the time I read any reply ;)

I love you all really...
Bru xx
 
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old.Zenith

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My take on this is fairly simple.

Tribes 2 has been out for 5 days in the UK (19 days in the US) and we have a forum thread that started out as "TD on or TD off" ending up as "Newbie bashing".

It's been said before, new players are not only going to try this game out but they're also going to make mistakes along the way. Despite what some people think (I'm not pointing any fingers) EVERYONE is new to Tribes2. The difference is that players of the original Tribes will have a shorter learning period compared to those players who have only joined in since this game came out.

Having TD on is not only a more "realistic" setting, but it also makes people learn more quickly that certain actions just aren't on (mortaring a cluster of teammates, running over a mined flag etc). If TD is off, then the same mistakes are going to be made again and again without the player in question learning the error of their ways.

Putting this all together...
  • Having TD on is good for training new players about glaring mistakes.
  • Some new players are going to have a longer learning period than others.
  • New players are eventually going to be as much part of the Tribes2 community as any Tribes veteran.
The last point is the thought I want to leave you with.
These "newbies" as they're called today are going to be the cappers, midfield, gen defence and flag defence in the near future. Maybe instead of bitching about TD settings and "bloody newbies" we should see about helping these newbloods through their learning time and getting them into tribes.
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Providing ShockLance treatment since April 2001
 
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old.Morpheus

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Originally posted by { velvet }
The only real intention expressed here as been is that the servers are setup how the game not even *should* be played, but will most likely be played, which we're judging on years of experience playing the most similar game to Tribes 2 around. We're all more than happy to help new players, but somehow our desire to help them play an 'anally configured' version of Tribes 2 is lacking.

That intention was expressed in the most childish way possible, as indeed was your continued comments about the configuration of the servers.

Perhaps the Tribes 1 league settings for servers is a good starting point - I doubt that due to the influx of new players. I suggest that the Tribes 2 server settings need tweaking, and that you need to be more flexible in your attitude.

Dean.
 
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karmadt

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/me sighs....
Take the hint would you?
The worst comments about tribes newbies in this thread have come from other tribes newbies, with Rezonator taking the pride of place for chief idiot.
Tribes 1 players in here know that new players will help T2 grow to be the biggest game around, and want to help out. The problem comes in trying to teach them a different game, which is effectively what you get when you have team damage off, compared to it being on.
Hmm, the TD being off debate was settled on page 1 of this thread. /me erases half a page of explanation of ^^.
Back to 'newbie bashing'
It isn't, well, none coming from T1 vets, at least.
What they're pissed off about is prats who refuse to learn. Eg, the flag/inv scenario above. Most new players go 'oops, soz' in that situation. Its the ones who go 'Fµ©I< ¥øµ, Î ÂM |_££T£®' and then continue to Team kill, Team Destroy, etc, that are unwelcome.
Personally, I'm a little appalled at how this got so far off topic. Read page 1 again.

Edited for typos :p

Rants and Rages
Recruiting once the BW ftp problem is sorted
BWTL back home, at last
 
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old.{ velvet }

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Originally posted by Morpheus
That intention was expressed in the most childish way possible, as indeed was your continued comments about the configuration of the servers.

Perhaps the Tribes 1 league settings for servers is a good starting point - I doubt that due to the influx of new players. I suggest that the Tribes 2 server settings need tweaking, and that you need to be more flexible in your attitude.

How may I ask was my post childish? I was stating in what I believe to be a grown up manner my opinions on what I believe is right to help new players learn Tribes 2 in the way it was intended to be played. I've not abused you, or newbies, yet you call my post childish?

All you've contributed to this thread so far (including you're previous post) is:

1. A justified attempt to get people to appreciate the work of Deathace and others.

2. Some really warped belief that all we want is to play Tribes (1) again with fancier graphics.

I'll stress again what I and others consider to be important:

We would like the BarrysWorld servers to be configured in a manner so that all players old and new can play the game how the developers intended, and players new to the concept of Tribes can learn that this game is more than just point and click.

Now either come up with a reason why they shouldn't do the above, or go call someone else childish.

[BR]velvet
 
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Mongrol

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Cracking thread this..

Can I get my pinbadge now for "Tribes2 forums First Nuclear Bomb"?

With Luv,
 
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old.Morpheus

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Originally posted by { velvet }
How may I ask was my post childish? I was stating in what I believe to be a grown up manner my opinions on what I believe is right to help new players learn Tribes 2 in the way it was intended to be played. I've not abused you, or newbies, yet you call my post childish?

My apologies, I wasn't clear enough - the original comments in this thread regarding the configuration of the T2 servers were childish. Your comments about "our desire to help them play an 'anally configured' version of Tribes 2 is lacking" appeared childish, but on reflection perhaps you were merely being sarcastic?



Originally posted by { velvet }
All you've contributed to this thread so far (including you're previous post) is:

1. A justified attempt to get people to appreciate the work of Deathace and others.

2. Some really warped belief that all we want is to play Tribes (1) again with fancier graphics.

Then again I obviously wasn't clear enough - I was trying to say:

"This SO ISN'T Tribes 1. This is Tribes 2, and it deserves some time and effort to find out exactly what settings are best, and while using the default league settings from Tribes 1, that might not be suitable for a game where the admins are yet to have full abilities, and the servers are full of new players learning the ropes".

Originally posted by { velvet }
We would like the BarrysWorld servers to be configured in a manner so that all players old and new can play the game how the developers intended, and players new to the concept of Tribes can learn that this game is more than just point and click.

Now either come up with a reason why they shouldn't do the above, or go call someone else childish.

[BR]velvet [/B]

Which appears to be what you're saying as well. Ho hum.
 
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old.{ velvet }

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Apology accepted, guess we can both put our time towards the more constructive task of helping newbies :)
 
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old.Jonesy

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Right puhleeze could some Forum admin lock this topi cnow that it seems we have reached relative harmony :)

unless we wanna go for the worlds logest thread records in which case we should go really off topic....opinions of the bahamas anyone?

Peace, Pot and Procreation

Expert Idler
Jones
 
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*Kornholio*

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Originally posted by Jonesy
unless we wanna go for the worlds logest thread

Guess who hasn't spotted the m00 and spam threads yet ;)
 
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Deathace

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Well its been a few pages since i posted last so for those still intent on taking this topic way out of proporation i will just summarise for you.

This was the wrong post to go off on newbie hating tangents it was aimed at the servers configurations. which as i said before were being worked on. There was no point us leaving the servers how dynamix released them otherwise it would have caused no end of problems.
As you can see from the menu options in game (press escape) you can vote the Team damage off (default is now on which was always meant to be the case but more on that later)
you can vote for a map change that is only based on the mission type (CTF, CNH, DM etc) that the server is setup for. Unlike before where you could vote to change the mission type and map (we dont run CTF servers for them to be changed to Bounty, DM etc we run those servers separate)

the previous command to get your WonID now works again which for those who missed it is (drop down the console)
type echo(WONgetAuthInfo()); this then shows you the following.

Name^WonID
Tribe^GroupID

for the admins you will need to contact crunchy or xtro with the output of the above. The servers will be at a stage from this weekend where alot of the stuff we wanted done will be completed and admins will get autoadmin when you join the server.

I would just like to say that we will not be using the SAD system due to previous abuse of that system and the fact that anything and everything you will need to do will be accessable via autoadmin. This will be for the publics at the moment and later for bookables and leagues aswell.

2 servers are being worked on at the moment due to hardware issues Siege and Hunters they will be back up asap once the issue is resolved.
On a different note BW servers are up to latest 22337 patch running bwbase to latest 1.02 version (in case ya interested in that :) so go play and enjoy yourselves.

those server admins out there that want to get hold of bwbase we will be making it available once its finished internal testing stages. For more info mail me deathace@barrysworld.com.
 
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cro

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Jeeeeeez.

Hmmm, I suppose I'd better post my Tribes (1&2) credentials. Firstly, I'm a Tribes 2 NEWBIE - I've played it twice online since it's release.

That said, I was part of the Tribes 2 Beta Test, I've met Tim Gift (in a pub over beer), I've been playing Tribes 1 since January 1999, played in the BW team put together out of people standing around that came second in the first ever UK competition against an organised Tribe (at The Playing Fields and I've got my copy of StarSiege Universe and some metal Tribes figures to prove it) and I'm the guy who thought up and helped build TribesNation - and I have an email archive that explains in detail why it's tribesnation.co.uk not tribesnation.com (which was bought by another large euro tribes site admin to stop BW doing a tribes site in the first place).

But I'm still a Tribes 2 Newbie even though I've been playing it longer than those who pre-ordered it from the US. Does this mean I'll get vote-kicked if I make a mistake?

I have no comments about TD on or off, although as a tribes Admin I always ensured that TD was OFF on public servers, especially when new players were on the server - it saved a lot of angst and the only complaints I ever got were from clanned players who wanted to take over the public server for private clan practice, rather than participate in pickup games.

I will play Tribes 2 eventually.

cro
ex-BW
ex-Tribes Admin
ex-Tribes Liason
TribesNation founder
almost ex-tribes player (thanks to Ego & Uncle_Cuba)
and a member of -[HAI]-
 
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old.SimbobX

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But I'm still a Tribes 2 Newbie even though I've been playing it longer than those who pre-ordered it from the US. Does this mean I'll get vote-kicked if I make a mistake?

Like, Duh. Of course. :D

I've seen someone kicked and or banned in EVERY game I've played so far (and I've had the game since uk-day1). I've yet to see anyone try and give a reason, or ask the person in question to stop whatever it was they were doing.

I have been shot by newbies, but usually if you just stand there and look at them and/or ask them to stop, they get the point.

I'm a newbie and I've seen what I've thought of as weird play on publics .. but no idea whether this is good play or not, nobody ever seems to say anything either way, just vote-kick anyone they don't like.

/me shrugs. I'm sure I'll get kicked one day. I just hope I can work out what I did wrong when that happens.

(btw: not suggesting that every kick is some l33tist newbie hating T1 player, because I'm sure they aren't .. just saying it's sad to see so many unexplained kicks and no obvious help for newbies :()
 
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old.mister vagga

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Cro - your a legend!

Velvet:
arguably the UK's best resource for Tribes news and info
heh - lets not start that debate all over again :)
 
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old.Afty

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A 'legend' yes.

The 'founder of Tribes Nation'? - Perhaps not.
Well, maybe one should watch ones terminology there. There are at least three people who might take exception to that comment.

'The guy who setup the hosting for Tribes Nation' - Yes. A founder? Well that would be Smudge, myself (Afty) or Velvet. Crunchy was also heavily involved early on, and Poker too.

/rant
 

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