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Flimgoblin
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mmm chocolate
mmm chocolate
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clive_dunn
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I'd sell myself for £100, any takers ?
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Gimly
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Yes lets look at the time I post here.. Normaly after 10pm till 6am mmm could it be that I'm a night worker... So that would mean I have a job and not a bad one either I must say, nice little office job in London. As for spouting my opinions, most of my replys have been in answer to the bullshit you have been coming up with. Never mind you bore me now time to move to another thread.
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Gimly
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50p and a packet of penuts?
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j000 d000d
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Sorry I'm not gay.
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Dook_Pug
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Liar!
/em wanders off holding his ass
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Jupitus
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... noone else is gonna
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Dook_Pug
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Originally posted by Jupitus
... noone else is gonna
'dem be 'fightin words!
/beckon
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Teh Krypt
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Brannor has such a dirteh norse, and that smelly Vidx, there all evil, ploting against us. Freeing the goblins and unicorns to ravish our thoughts and players minds.
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Oh my life !!!!!
This muppet has reposted his auction for the L50 sorc on prydwen on a certain auction site.
Currently £174 for a banned account - what a waste !!!!!
Reported to Ebay, and will log it on Rightnow when i get home - yeah ok call me a wanker, but trading accounts for this kinda money is a con !
This muppet has reposted his auction for the L50 sorc on prydwen on a certain auction site.
Currently £174 for a banned account - what a waste !!!!!
Reported to Ebay, and will log it on Rightnow when i get home - yeah ok call me a wanker, but trading accounts for this kinda money is a con !
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Jupitus
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174 quid now eh? What a twat
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sru
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100% agreed. Go for it. Hate to see people ripped off like that.
And what a sad thread! Geesh. Jup was merely pointing out that GOA _might_ well ban accounts that are sold/traded. Why the heck would anyone want to jump down the guy's throat for making a 100% accurate and (given the auctions underway) timely posting.
Whatever your personal views on accounts being traded - there is only 1 view that will count for the poor sod that falls for it - GOA's.
(checks his grammar and spellign 'cause he will probably be flamed for it otherwise) ... (gets it wrong and could not give a sh*t)
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Tesla Monkor
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Jupitus is only trying to help.. everyone plays this game, and everyone clicks through the 'I Accept' bit of the CoC. Nothing you say now is gonna change that. You agreed, so you are not allowed to sell your accounts. That's the way it works.
If you sell, and you get a banned account, or get banned after buying it -- tough luck. You were in breach of the CoC anyway.
(Sneaks over to an elevated spot and back up Jupitus by critshotting anyone who complains about it. ;P)
If you sell, and you get a banned account, or get banned after buying it -- tough luck. You were in breach of the CoC anyway.
(Sneaks over to an elevated spot and back up Jupitus by critshotting anyone who complains about it. ;P)
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I just feel sorry for the poor guy spending £170 on an account he may not know will get banned.
Obviously the item will be sold as to the (auction sites) terms as the account wont be banned then, he's gona have no come back at all
Obviously the item will be sold as to the (auction sites) terms as the account wont be banned then, he's gona have no come back at all
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Account finaly sold for £180 to someone who appears to trade in DAOC accounts fairly often by his auction profile.
I have no sympathy at all for this kinda person, a nice reply from GOA re-assured me that this account would be suspended if the trade completes.
/hug goa
I have no sympathy at all for this kinda person, a nice reply from GOA re-assured me that this account would be suspended if the trade completes.
/hug goa
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Apathy
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I bet what GOA said was "We can assure you that if the sub charges for this account are not paid, then it will DEFINITELY be suspended.".
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-Nxs-
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We'll see - just look out for a L50 sorc trying to nuke his/her targets
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trigali
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Guess what !
There's an other one.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3012563862&category=11050
The easy way to spot the buyer will be when the character suddenly starts to talk proper english and uses punctuation.
No brainer.
[Edit] gotta love the fact that you will not know what server you can play on until the very last moment. Cretin.
There's an other one.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3012563862&category=11050
The easy way to spot the buyer will be when the character suddenly starts to talk proper english and uses punctuation.
No brainer.
[Edit] gotta love the fact that you will not know what server you can play on until the very last moment. Cretin.
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Ahh well, doing the same again... contact the seller through <auction site>, tell them the're doing wrong... get a sladerous reply back telling me to naff off.... report it to GOA
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j000 d000d
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I know someone who sold a US Ultima Online account with 2.000.000.000 ingame gold and castles etc. for 6000 dollar.
It's not really rip-off, just what the buyer wants to pay for it is weird sometimes.
But a lot of rich americans buy stuff like this tho
And i still don't understand why someone would care if someone sells an account.... if that person is in your guild then yes it might bother you.... but if it's on another server or realm then i really don't care.
I don't really understand what Nxs is trying to achieve....
It's not really rip-off, just what the buyer wants to pay for it is weird sometimes.
But a lot of rich americans buy stuff like this tho
And i still don't understand why someone would care if someone sells an account.... if that person is in your guild then yes it might bother you.... but if it's on another server or realm then i really don't care.
I don't really understand what Nxs is trying to achieve....
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sieben_dapoet
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Originally posted by Teador
I know someone who sold a US Ultima Online account with 2.000.000.000 ingame gold and castles etc. for 6000 dollar.
It's not really rip-off, just what the buyer wants to pay for it is weird sometimes.
But a lot of rich americans buy stuff like this tho
And i still don't understand why someone would care if someone sells an account.... if that person is in your guild then yes it might bother you.... but if it's on another server or realm then i really don't care.
I don't really understand what Nxs is trying to achieve....
i dont think its soo much about the noob using the account, its about the selling of the account, and potential mass market for it...
look at it this way, recently we've seen you can lvl a char in about 3-10days easy to lvl 50. So, you go buy DAOC for £20, lvl youre char in the first month {no problem} to lvl 50, then sell the account for £100+.. easy money, so, you go buy another DAOC, Blah blah blah.. you get the picture...
soon you will only have two types of people in the game, those in it for the money, and not caring about the game/realm/guild etc... and those sooo noob that they piss other people off constantly.
SELLING ACCOUNTS IS P00, giving your account away to a m8 could be looked at as being ok, but ACTUALLY mass buff-bot lvl'ing/selling will destroy the game.
THINK ABOUT IT... USE YOUR BRAINS AND REALLY THINK !
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munkey_blue
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Great posts... except for the brown nosing part...
I regulary have arguements with GOA about their policys, I am there to provide feedback to the players, and to GOA about the state of the game, from my little sphere of life.
If I find something broken, I'll tell them about it, and if I can, I'll tell you what to do about it.
As for the main topic of this converstion, as allready posted, there is a reason why account selling is banned, and from someone who has played many level 50's, it's not as exciting as levelling a char to 50, and then playing them.
As for why the E&E reference came up, I have NO idea, this is mainly an information post, Jup didn't even have to post here.
I regulary have arguements with GOA about their policys, I am there to provide feedback to the players, and to GOA about the state of the game, from my little sphere of life.
If I find something broken, I'll tell them about it, and if I can, I'll tell you what to do about it.
As for the main topic of this converstion, as allready posted, there is a reason why account selling is banned, and from someone who has played many level 50's, it's not as exciting as levelling a char to 50, and then playing them.
As for why the E&E reference came up, I have NO idea, this is mainly an information post, Jup didn't even have to post here.
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Turamber, mind if I ask a simple question?
What kudos on earth would Jup win from GoA by posting anything on these boards?
Would he get 10+ platina? no
Would he get a free lvl50char? no
Would he get some Uberl33titem? no
What the hell are you talking about Turamber? I've read all your posts in this thread, what happened to you? You used to make sense in the past, read what you actually have written and judge if it make sense, I dont think it does tbh
Chill out man
I wont say whether I agree or disagree with jup, that doesnt matter since GoA have the last word anyway dont they? I can only speak for myself, I find nothing wrong in trading chars since both accounts have been paid for, simple as that. Selling, well, the businnes involved around it can cause harm to the game in the long run but ask yourself, how much harm does it really do? Say that you form a group and a lvl50cleric asks where Emain is, just dont play with that person anymore if it bothers you or welcome a new player to Daoc and explain where Emain is. It really is that simple, this aint about principles or anything else, GoA have stated that its against the CoC, period. If someone thinks its fun to ruin it with use of the CoC for a possible new player to Daoc, so be it, nothing we can do about it. I would never report if I knew an account was sold or traded, since I want as many as possible to play daoc, so what if someone buys a lvl50char? They can learn, and if they dont, he/she most likely aint a good player anyway and hence it doesnt matter.
Look at it this way, someone played since beta and made a char in the start of retail. That char is now rr7 and have ubergear and the person that plays it decides its time to quit, whats better, that he/she deletes and that char is gone forever, or that someone else that wanna play daoc buys it and keep on playing? Does it really matter in any way? Does it hurt you that some n00b have a char that is better than your rr4? If thats the case, wake up. The only thing that says we arent allowed to trade or sell is the CoC, nothing else, come up with some moral or principal argument and I will listen to it.
My view is this, it aint the char that is good, the player behind it may make it appear uber.
(sorry for spelling and such, a few beers tend to affect it)
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Jupitus
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Wow - back at the top again eh?
I don't gain anything from starting this thread, but at the same time, in response to the quote, I don't care if people wish to flame me. In fact I rather enjoy it, as I enjoy a decent argument
Is trading accounts a bad thing? That is not what the thread is about. Personally, I don't care as there are indeed arguments for and against and on balance it doesn't really matter alot.
Fact is, though, it is against GOA's CoC, the primary reason being it can lead to so many issues when players later report their account as 'hacked' or 'character deleted' when in fact they have really lent or sold it. GOA's policy is aimed at preventing these resource-wasting reports to the support group and at the end of the day we all want decent customer support.
So, selling accounts is against the CoC and characters publicly sold will be banned when found which was the main reason for this thread. Personally I am against GOA's policy which is to not name or announce accounts which have been suspended or terminated. I feel it would be a better deterrent if the weekly news included a section 'banned ths week for bug abuse were x,y, and z... banned this week for trading accounts were a,b and c etc etc etc, but like you I don't determine GOA's policy.
The CoC is there for both GOA and the players who wish to enjoy a good gaming environment which is free of cheats and abusers. If you don't like the way GOA have implemented their CoC then my suggestion to you is to go and talk to Mythic Entertainment about setting up your own franchise for DAoC in Europe... let's see how far you get.
I don't gain anything from starting this thread, but at the same time, in response to the quote, I don't care if people wish to flame me. In fact I rather enjoy it, as I enjoy a decent argument
Is trading accounts a bad thing? That is not what the thread is about. Personally, I don't care as there are indeed arguments for and against and on balance it doesn't really matter alot.
Fact is, though, it is against GOA's CoC, the primary reason being it can lead to so many issues when players later report their account as 'hacked' or 'character deleted' when in fact they have really lent or sold it. GOA's policy is aimed at preventing these resource-wasting reports to the support group and at the end of the day we all want decent customer support.
So, selling accounts is against the CoC and characters publicly sold will be banned when found which was the main reason for this thread. Personally I am against GOA's policy which is to not name or announce accounts which have been suspended or terminated. I feel it would be a better deterrent if the weekly news included a section 'banned ths week for bug abuse were x,y, and z... banned this week for trading accounts were a,b and c etc etc etc, but like you I don't determine GOA's policy.
The CoC is there for both GOA and the players who wish to enjoy a good gaming environment which is free of cheats and abusers. If you don't like the way GOA have implemented their CoC then my suggestion to you is to go and talk to Mythic Entertainment about setting up your own franchise for DAoC in Europe... let's see how far you get.
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There is and will never be a "market" for characters and it can be prevented yes.
But there already is a "market" for GOLD, and that's because NOTHING can be done about it :\
-> Search for "DAoC gold"
295 results
http://cq-search.ebay.ca/search/sea...sPerPage=50&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&x=20&y=9
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sieben_dapoet
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not trying to start an argument here, just wanted to say that first...
do your same search on ebay just on "DAoC", 10 pages worth of peeps selling gold mostly {as you say} but also ALOT of lvl 50 chars {mostly on US servers}.
I still reckon some of these are people who have specifically lvl'd a char to sell it on.
And the fact is at the moment it is against the CoC, but if Mythic said "Yes, you can sell accounts" then I believe it would suddenly change alot of peoples perception and some would begin lvling for cash. i.e. if it was allowed it would be worse.
like i say, not trying to argue {too much
} but just what i think.
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for the record
yes i baught Thorey on Ebay
yes i enjoy playing her
yes the first time i ported to emain i was pwned by a RR4 inf
yes i made bubble and exped her to 50(unless i'm some L337 BW account stealer /sigh)
no my account is not on ebay and never has been
Yes i sold my 2 US accounts on ebay resently for $375 total
Yes the people who baught my US accounts where very happy
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buying an account- are you breaking the TOS
Technicly it depends on how the sale is worded
GOA own all the accounts and we pay a sort of 'Rental' if you like
You are paying me for the time and effort i put into dinging this caharcter 50 and earning the 1.8 million rps i have, you are paying me for the information to log into this account and my agreement that you are now the account 'Renter' (all accounts belong to GOA/mythic selling an account is a bannable offence)
Jup- you just seem to troll these days does it really effect you that this account is going to have a new owner? not one bit(mainly since you don't play anymore)
yes i baught Thorey on Ebay
yes i enjoy playing her
yes the first time i ported to emain i was pwned by a RR4 inf
yes i made bubble and exped her to 50(unless i'm some L337 BW account stealer /sigh)
no my account is not on ebay and never has been
Yes i sold my 2 US accounts on ebay resently for $375 total
Yes the people who baught my US accounts where very happy
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buying an account- are you breaking the TOS
Technicly it depends on how the sale is worded
GOA own all the accounts and we pay a sort of 'Rental' if you like
You are paying me for the time and effort i put into dinging this caharcter 50 and earning the 1.8 million rps i have, you are paying me for the information to log into this account and my agreement that you are now the account 'Renter' (all accounts belong to GOA/mythic selling an account is a bannable offence)
Jup- you just seem to troll these days
does it really effect you that this account is going to have a new owner? not one bit(mainly since you don't play anymore)
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Originally posted by old.Bubble
Jup- you just seem to troll these days
Jupi is taking a break having stepped down as GM of PL, but it doesn't mean I won't play again, and in the future I want to come back to a game environment which is free of cheats and exploiters. I am not saying that account trading is the all evil work of satan, but it is a breach of the CoC and I wish to deter that. It is a desire to help build a good gaming community that prompted me to volunteer for the Eyes and Ears team and just because I am taking a break from DAOC doesn't mean I suddenley stopped caring.
Anyway, that's aimed at the troll comment... read my post a few up where I recap my reasons for this thread. It is to serve as a warning to the hapless folks out there who are liable to buy a banned account for 175 quid.... please believe that GOA will ban accounts where they can be sure it has been sold in this way.
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The funny thing about people selling their accounts is that they are breaking a contract they have accepted.
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Copied from EULA
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7. Selling of Items
You may not sell or auction any Game characters, items, coin or copyrighted material.
The selling of items, coins or any copyrighted part of the Game's player character whether through online auctions, newsgroup or postings on message board is in violation of this EULA. In addition to violating our agreement, selling items and/or coin violates our legal rights and may cause damage to the Publisher and to the goodwill in the Dark Age of Camelot name.
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mmm seams crystal clear to me.
I'm not fussed about Mythic and the US servers, never played there - but I really cant stand people paying their way into the game on the Euro ones. Half the fun is learning your character and building them up from 1-50, making friends, learning what to do and what not to, understanding the other classes and realms in the process.