Best Albion grp ;)

[elyand]

lalal

Originally posted by stighelmer
Almost unbeatable? I am assuming you do not have any high realm rank chanter groups running around. Because with their RAs up how the hell do you rip through teh cage ?

I am curious

Chanters pbaoe, just move away from cage, let interrupters do they work, then the hibs are pretty helpless, sorc dot, mincer interrupt, mezz, theurg pets etc....

 

[kin]

Re: lalal

Originally posted by elyand
Chanters pbaoe, just move away from cage, let interrupters do they work, then the hibs are pretty helpless, sorc dot, mincer interrupt, mezz, theurg pets etc....

Chanters has atm best dd nuke in the game and combined with
baod and moc they might be pretty hard just by themselfs, then add rest of group. If any good these chanter will assist with a ma debuffer and drop almost any alb in 1500 range.

The way to beat pbaoe cage is to split up pbaoer's from their support/tanks. It means fight them backwards, so they cannot make a perfect cage setup, but has to move around.

Still if 3 pbaoers and hibs get insta mezz i find it hard to believe they can be beaten.

Mids and hibs have awesome firepower in a few classes, so if u want to win you need to split them up, so u dont get hit by that
gank train. Let those 3 savages chase you a long time while their
back ranks are soft. Head on you will lose.

 

[schinkaar]

well garba it took our savages with awesome damage about 20-30 secs to drop you, if not even more (eleas guard seems strong )unless ofc you got out CC:ed -bad GP:s and stuff like that, but in that scenario even 4 palys whould drop you .

 

[Jiggs]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
So how was this group performing? excellent - cant remember losing one fair fight against an alb group

 

[Dom]

Jiggs , when garba says the grp.... he is meaning when we were all the members.

Novamir,Alos,Garbannoch,Terminus,Domain,Calawyn,Delura + bard , normaly Pbuck or Tomatera. Those days, we got killed by jh or zerg only. but was only 1.5 week , more or less.

 

[horsma]

What about if you try this caster grp setup:
body sorc
mind sorc
paladin
mincer
2x cleric
2x cold wiz

Body sorc can debuff wizard's specline dd and pbaoe.

Then again you can try to use split spec sorc and take another wiz or earth theura.

 

[Whisperess]

Re: Re: lalal

Originally posted by kin
Chanters has atm best dd nuke in the game

You'll find that it's actually runemasters that fill that role - variance wise. ( 50% debuff at 48 RC/24 Dark vs. a minimum of 49 Mana/22 Light but more common 50 Mana/20 Light )

and as stated by Garb, not many chanters get Baod now due to the melee-orientation of the game.

They have the best specline, utility wise - arguably yes, best DD - no.

But, why do I even bother - you know everything there is about the game, right? ( not claiming that I do, before you start crying )
You played that sorc after beta and some scout back when they were fotm?

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by horsma
What about if you try this caster grp setup:
body sorc
mind sorc
paladin
mincer
2x cleric
2x cold wiz

Body sorc can debuff wizard's specline dd and pbaoe.

Then again you can try to use split spec sorc and take another wiz or earth theura.

instamezzed and killed before it wears off unfortunately

nice idea though

 

[old.krane]

Originally posted by Kahland
best grp

theurg
cleric
cleric
merc
merc
minstrel
pala
sorc

instead of another merc you get.

damage add
haste
10sec pbt
petspammer
nuker

which sums up in a good way.

Cant wait till we hit 50 on pryd....that grp setup is so dead against any decent tank grp...

U cant have 2 casters in alb grps atm..Either u got theurg or u got sorc...theurg is better vs mids, sorc is better vs hibs..

U either do tank grps and forget more than 1 casters or u do caster grp and forget tanks as dmg dealers...

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by old.krane
Cant wait till we hit 50 on pryd....that grp setup is so dead against any decent tank grp...

U cant have 2 casters in alb grps atm..Either u got theurg or u got sorc...theurg is better vs mids, sorc is better vs hibs..

U either do tank grps and forget more than 1 casters or u do caster grp and forget tanks as dmg dealers...

Gl mate, you will need it.

Dont talk the talk before you have showed you can walk the walk.

 

[DeSlisser]

Old.Krane m8, think you are sadly mistaken.. PE will steamroll over your group. These guys know what they do, they will definatly not be a walk in the parc for your newly 50 rr2-5 fotm mid group.

GL

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by DeSlisser
Old.Krane m8, think you are sadly mistaken.. PE will steamroll over your group. These guys know what they do, they will definatly not be a walk in the parc for your newly 50 rr2-5 fotm mid group.

GL

a challenge has been issued

 

[faderullan]

Sure, just come and try us.

 

[Kahland]

we're looking forward to dinging rr10 on you 8]

 

[Gamah]

Originally posted by old.krane
Cant wait till we hit 50 on pryd....that grp setup is so dead against any decent tank grp...

U cant have 2 casters in alb grps atm..Either u got theurg or u got sorc...theurg is better vs mids, sorc is better vs hibs..

U either do tank grps and forget more than 1 casters or u do caster grp and forget tanks as dmg dealers...

lol ~~, I hardly think so m8, gl anyway :E

 

[[BF]Jiggs]

not that i'm one for these childish crap but as i heard it:

PE the masters of the 11 man FG they definitely dont deserve respect

but anyway good luck killing them as mids when they play as hibs...

 

[Gamah]

Originally posted by [BF]Jiggs
not that i'm one for these childish crap but as i heard it:






but anyway good luck killing them as mids when they play hib...

hmm?
we play alb

 

[faderullan]

I bet 10 dollars that quote came from klavrynd

 

[kin]

Re: Re: Re: lalal

Originally posted by Whisperess
You'll find that it's actually runemasters that fill that role - variance wise. ( 50% debuff at 48 RC/24 Dark vs. a minimum of 49 Mana/22 Light but more common 50 Mana/20 Light )

and as stated by Garb, not many chanters get Baod now due to the melee-orientation of the game.

They have the best specline, utility wise - arguably yes, best DD - no.

But, why do I even bother - you know everything there is about the game, right? ( not claiming that I do, before you start crying )
You played that sorc after beta and some scout back when they were fotm?

First of all when your out to play you sb, and u get pa+cd on a scout, and still is not able to win even using end potions shows
how great a player you are. Trust me when i find and attack you
first you will die. My scout is so old noone knew they where fotm. I think its oldest on excalibur. Tell me when did you make your sb ?

Yes a Rm has best debuffed dd in the game until 1.65 but they are non exisiting in rvr.

My sorc is a new char made to play fg rvr, but i played with the first sorcs like veeshan and kayla.

Fact is you dont like to hear mid has to good classes these days,
because its all about skill.
Its strange tho you talk so much about infils. Could it be that all good alb players play stealthers and all good mids play non stealthers ?

And since its only mid who is pure melee these days, baod makes
good sense against a lot of alb groups who typically aint melee only. If a hib group meet 1 fg+ random albs there will be nukers among.

 

[old.krane]

Sadly some ppl dont read whole posts it seems...

but nvm...BW is BW and always will be BW...


oh and btw....we didnt roll fotm savage grp...

fyi..


and yes of course we wont beat rr8-10 grp with rr2-3 ppl....

but from rr5-6 there comes a change...but we ll c...

cant wait to play the usual emain bloodbath from a different side..

 

[Whisperess]

Re: Re: Re: Re: lalal

Originally posted by kin
First of all when your out to play you sb, and u get pa+cd on a scout, and still is not able to win even using end potions shows
how great a player you are. Trust me when i find and attack you
first you will die. My scout is so old noone knew they where fotm. I think its oldest on excalibur. Tell me when did you make your sb ?

First off, cant remember losing to a (solo) scout since RR2. Loxley for instance bit the grass ( buffed like a bodybuilder ) against me unbuffed with me at ~90% life ( one slam ) in the end.

Archerz TS'd and critshot me for 1048 dmg, and still bit the grass ( after slam ) from range, so yeah - put you actions where your mouth is tiny.

I rarely use end-potions since I don't have an alchemist and cba to ask around for them. I think you're confusing my char for someone else.

Want to know when I created her, or when I leveled her? I leveled her when I hit RR5 with Whisperess and settled down with tailoring. I wanted a stealther, and remembered that I got bored very early with the hunter I created before Shanae ( which was my first lvl 50 ), so decided to give my Shadowblade a try. After all, I had good friends in for instance Darkomen since I leveled with Shanae.

"Trust me when i find and attack you first you will die."

No shit sherlock, you're supposed to! If you can't then you're seriously gimped.

None of this matter, I still think you're a mouthy little pathetic whiner that get off on whining on BW.

 

[kin]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: lalal

Originally posted by Whisperess
First off, cant remember losing to a (solo) scout since RR2. Loxley for instance bit the grass ( buffed like a bodybuilder ) against me unbuffed with me at ~90% life ( one slam ) in the end.

Archerz TS'd and critshot me for 1048 dmg, and still bit the grass ( after slam ) from range, so yeah - put you actions where your mouth is tiny.

I rarely use end-potions since I don't have an alchemist and cba to ask around for them. I think you're confusing my char for someone else.

Want to know when I created her, or when I leveled her? I leveled her when I hit RR5 with Whisperess and settled down with tailoring. I wanted a stealther, and remembered that I got bored very early with the hunter I created before Shanae ( which was my first lvl 50 ), so decided to give my Shadowblade a try. After all, I had good friends in for instance Darkomen since I leveled with Shanae.

"Trust me when i find and attack you first you will die."

No shit sherlock, you're supposed to! If you can't then you're seriously gimped.

None of this matter, I still think you're a mouthy little pathetic whiner that get off on whining on BW.

Well didnt or didnt you find my scout kinad and pa+cd him,
then kept hitting me for stun duration, and did you in fact
kill me. Happend last night ?

And what is an encrustem heimdal totem or something like that ?

 

[lofff]

imho

40 36 sorc (30%debuffs and still proper mezzing - tho i rather take 31 44 on any other setup but need debuffs on that one)

2x ice wizzies

41cld 35earth theurg (8sec pbt, nice aeroot and dding)

2 clerics

minstrel

friar



well played that would b best setup in game



dom idea is bit weird imo but prolly would work well fgvsfg in the current patch/exca status

 

[Whisperess]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: lalal

Originally posted by kin
Well didnt or didnt you find my scout kinad and pa+cd him,
then kept hitting me for stun duration, and did you in fact
kill me. Happend last night ?

And what is an encrustem heimdal totem or something like that ?

Used two totems that I can remember in solo fights last night - one vs some infil who chased me from amg to tower in sprint.

One vs a 2h crush armsman ( Bloodthorn I think is his name was, but then again, it wasn't really solo as a scout popped mid-way through battle and decided to fire off a few arrows ).

I'm awfully sorry, but I can't recall any other solo fights where end-totem was used, unless I'd just been in a fight and had <50% end after PA/CD. Sorry if you wasn't worth a memory if it did happen though. You all look the same to me.

 

[kin]

Originally posted by Whisperess
Used two totems that I can remember in solo fights last night - one vs some infil who chased me from amg to tower in sprint.

One vs a 2h crush armsman ( Bloodthorn I think is his name was, but then again, it wasn't really solo as a scout popped mid-way through battle and decided to fire off a few arrows ).

I'm awfully sorry, but I can't recall any other solo fights where end-totem was used, unless I'd just been in a fight and had <50% end after PA/CD. Sorry if you wasn't worth a memory if it did happen though. You all look the same to me.

Yes me and bloodthorn(grymulv) did think funny you get owned attacking an arms with moa5 buffs and fully sc mp armor with ip up. If he atleast had used his ip, you would have done something.
Might have been worst pick of a fight this year on xcalibur.

Btw i didnt kill you since you hit me for 1700+ damage during
pa + cd, but the fact i escaped shows a bit about you skill.
You think you will survive if i get 1700 free damage on you from surprise ?

Originally posted by lofff
imho

40 36 sorc (30%debuffs and still proper mezzing - tho i rather take 31 44 on any other setup but need debuffs on that one)

2x ice wizzies

41cld 35earth theurg (8sec pbt, nice aeroot and dding)

2 clerics

minstrel

friar



well played that would b best setup in game



dom idea is bit weird imo but prolly would work well fgvsfg in the current patch/exca status

They wont kill a savage group fast enough, 3 assisting savage kills 1 ice wizzy pr combat round, pbaoe or not.
Against hibs, insta mezz + pbaoe > castabel mezz + pbaoe.

Think most albs agree that pbaoe is not the way against strong enemy groups. Also there is no det chars in that group = You lose
mezz fight your dead.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by lofff
imho

40 36 sorc (30%debuffs and still proper mezzing - tho i rather take 31 44 on any other setup but need debuffs on that one)

2x ice wizzies

41cld 35earth theurg (8sec pbt, nice aeroot and dding)

2 clerics

minstrel

friar



well played that would b best setup in game



dom idea is bit weird imo but prolly would work well fgvsfg in the current patch/exca status

another group that would be dead before insta-mezz duration was out

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by kin
They wont kill a savage group fast enough, 3 assisting savage kills 1 ice wizzy pr combat round, pbaoe or not.
Against hibs, insta mezz + pbaoe > castabel mezz + pbaoe.

Think most albs agree that pbaoe is not the way against strong enemy groups. Also there is no det chars in that group = You lose
mezz fight your dead.

pbaoe is only a defensive tool, and pbaoe will hit 1k+ on debuffed targets -.-

debuff + 3x DDers assisting will instakill every enemy..

neway thats only couple points included in that well-played thingie, friar minstrel plays an important roll in the grp too, so does every1 in there.. its not that simple


Pin 2 curemezzers can do wonders + sos, and a well-played sorc should get mezz in first always (but for those times u get jumped then is when u need sos, purges, curemezzing..) but anyway, savages would b main trouble for this grp :} savages are main trouble for all 3 realms atm

 

[kin]

Originally posted by lofff
pbaoe is only a defensive tool, and pbaoe will hit 1k+ on debuffed targets -.-

debuff + 3x DDers assisting will instakill every enemy..

neway thats only couple points included in that well-played thingie, friar minstrel plays an important roll in the grp too, so does every1 in there.. its not that simple


Pin 2 curemezzers can do wonders + sos, and a well-played sorc should get mezz in first always (but for those times u get jumped then is when u need sos, purges, curemezzing..) but anyway, savages would b main trouble for this grp :} savages are main trouble for all 3 realms atm

Im not sure why hibs and mids think sorcs should get in mezz first. Its rare you find an enemy group at large range, and the bolt range is an advantage. Mostly you and group runs over a hilltop, there is an enemy group, you see them, they see you and
then insta is > castabel. Its not a jumped situation, since both groups see eachother at aprox same time.

Btw i dont see where friar fit in.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by kin
Im not sure why hibs and mids think sorcs should get in mezz first. Its rare you find an enemy group at large range, and the bolt range is an advantage. Mostly you and group runs over a hilltop, there is an enemy group, you see them, they see you and
then insta is > castabel. Its not a jumped situation, since both groups see eachother at aprox same time.

Btw i dont see where friar fit in.

fyi, i havent run in one middy group in the last 2 weeks that insta mezz was used when enemy come into sight, be it over a hill or at range.

I think you need to get overthe insta mezz issue, yes albion should have it on a class also, but no one with any kind of sence uses it when they first see the enemy.


Most pac healers spec 44 pac, which gives a 150 radius insta mezz for around 20 seconds, that would give enemy tanks mezz immunity, so basically no one would do it. 150 radius is the size of your char laid down, kinda gives you an idea of how useful that is.

 

[kin]

Originally posted by Rollie
fyi, i havent run in one middy group in the last 2 weeks that insta mezz was used when enemy come into sight, be it over a hill or at range.

I think you need to get overthe insta mezz issue, yes albion should have it on a class also, but no one with any kind of sence uses it when they first see the enemy.


Most pac healers spec 44 pac, which gives a 150 radius insta mezz for around 20 seconds, that would give enemy tanks mezz immunity, so basically no one would do it. 150 radius is the size of your char laid down, kinda gives you an idea of how useful that is.

Not on some class but on sorcs, since they are albs mezzer.
Enemy tanks allready has immunity, since they have high det, and 20 sec is more than enough for paboers or heavy mid melee
to take out 1 or 2 alb support classes. In those 20 sec a sorc
will not have bof or any healing unless clerics have purge up.
A sorc with best posible buffs and best posible armor will drop in
1-2 sec against assisting savages without a cleric to help.
Stong savage groups like JH will be able to atleast kill 1-2 clerics too in those 20 sec. Then its gameover for alb group. Its also why
its a good idea for albs to have a high det tank run in front, so that insta is hopefully fired at first contact. Well most mid groups
have atleast 2 healers these days
If pbaoe hibs they will use those crucial seconds to have there little annoying lurikeens run in and spam pbaoe.

Yes if your group can run without stick, insta mezz less powerful,
but lag often means people will get lost if not on stick.

Insta mezz + pbaoe or savage on alb support happens 100's of times in emain each day. Been there and seen it

Yes it drops in duration at edges, yes its modified by reists, but 10 sec in rvr is long long time to keep a sorc alive.