Bards need a boost

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old.BJ|Bored

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'Either all 3 realms should get end buff or all 3 realms only get end chant. '



GOGO

/me mutters about all 3 realms get insta cc or none at all
 
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Rollie_David

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heheh i love the "lets make all three realms identical" posts, pointless, bards are fine, they are a very very good support class.
 
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ab_fluid

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lol good old americans making me chuckle again, stupid people
 
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old.Nol

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Insta's are a waste of time, I would rather have a pb snare any day of the week. They are hardly worth the space on my quick bar they are resisted so often.
 
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Aule Valar

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even if half of the aoe insta mes is resisted - unlikely they still give you a large advantage, yes they may not last long, but a charging alb force either has to stop to mes, or the tanks have to run on ahead, before the mes lands, giving enemy extra time to slam, stun root etc them, hibs and mids have the option of just charging striaght in, with the insta stun landing before you get to the alb force, even if it is resisted it will still interupt casts etc, and normal most people will be resisted, giving you the advantage

group purge maxes sod all difference here so its not a whine about that, if we had insta mes, gp whilst still horribly nasty wouldn't matter in this case as you still have the interupts, etc happening, and it takes time to hit the gp button and decide whever or not to do it anyway
 
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old.Nol

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Hibs do not have insta stun, and bards do not have multiple cc, a pbaoe snare(on a different resist table) as a repplacement for instamezz is better for all realms.
 
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inuyasha

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hehe

Bards rock =)

Just give light enchanters area stun and we are getting there :D
 
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old.Tzeentch

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no, bards are no longer the uber machines they were in last patch, things change, and bards have been affected.

they're still 'good', but far from 'uber'. druids, are uber (or will be very soon).. bards are not.
 
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old.chipper

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take speed of chanters and giv it to mentalists :)
 
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belth

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Ok, it goes to Enchantments specline. kthxdontwhinefotmsbye
 
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Armolas

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Originally posted by old.chipper
take speed of chanters and giv it to mentalists :)
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Yes do, we need it more (menty speed = teh suxx0r)

Also chanters have it easy when they get aggro (saw a chanter soloing monkey boy the other day ffs).
 
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old.BJ|Bored

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give bards my minstrels ae and stun and give me their ae and insta ^^
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
give bards my minstrels ae and stun and give me their ae and insta ^^
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Read the message twat - bards are saying they don't want insta's. You got stun, stealth, chain and pets to play with - so fuck off till you have read the thread and can provide some usefull feedback.

kthnxbye
 
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Trinilim

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Originally posted by old.Nol


Read the message twat - bards are saying they don't want insta's. You got stun, stealth, chain and pets to play with - so fuck off till you have read the thread and can provide some usefull feedback.

kthnxbye
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stealth - ROFLMAO!!

stun - 6 second, boo hoo

chain - woot! 15 more af! 1 pwnz j00!

pets - don't make me laugh :p, can't run anything with a pet anyway, including mez. And they resist a whole lot as well

follow your own advice
 
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shilak

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Give healers and sorcerers insta Amnesia, why should Hibernia be the only realm with it, its so unfair ;)

More seriously, the idiot couldnt even get his facts straight ...

Hibs CC =

Bard - Mezz, AE Mezz, Mezz Instas
Druid - Root, AE Root, Root Instas
Champion - Snare Insta
Eldritch - Stun, AE Mezz
Enchanter - Stun, Snare Pet
Mentalist - Stun, Mezz

Mids CC =

Healer - Mezz, Stun, Root, AE Mezz, AE Stun, Mezz Instas, Stun Instas
Shaman - Root, AE Root
Spiritmaster - Root, Mezz, AE Mezz
Runemaster - Root, Snare, AE Snare
Skald - Mezz Insta, Snare Insta

Yes, mids have more CC on paper, but then they have the worst anti-CC of the 3 realms (post 1.59). In reality, you find more CC capable characters within a hib group than within a mid group.

Bards are the primary CC class for hibs purely because they have better CC than any other hib class. And lets not forget all the other stuff Bards can do, like end regen, power regen, move speed, heals, buffs, DD shouts, amnesia instas and resist chants.
 
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shilak

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Opps, forgot something ... Tzeentch, all CC classes were affected by the changes in resists rates during the last patch ... My single target mezz now gets resisted about 1 in 5, prior to the patch it was more like 1 in 20.

Not to mention that prior to the patch groups would be happy to have 2 healers, but now the preference is leaning more towards 1 healer and 1 shaman.
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by Trinilim

stealth - ROFLMAO!!

stun - 6 second, boo hoo

chain - woot! 15 more af! 1 pwnz j00!

pets - don't make me laugh :p, can't run anything with a pet anyway, including mez. And they resist a whole lot as well

follow your own advice
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I have played a Minstrel 50, you don't need to lecture me on the strengths and weaknesses of the class. Your only experience with a bard is obviously nothing, minstrels are not bards, and for your information the minstrel and bard TL's are working to overcome many of the issue's with classes as a team.

Read the entire thread(something wich you obviously never do) before you come and spew your shrapnel over the forum, or at least put forward a decent motivation for your disagreements.

You play a friar for ffs, what would you know about a class weakness?
 
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Trinilim

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Originally posted by old.Nol


I have played a Minstrel 50, you don't need to lecture me on the strengths and weaknesses of the class. Your only experience with a bard is obviously nothing, minstrels are not bards, and for your information the minstrel and bard TL's are working to overcome many of the issue's with classes as a team.

Read the entire thread(something wich you obviously never do) before you come and spew your shrapnel over the forum, or at least put forward a decent motivation for your disagreements.

You play a friar for ffs, what would you know about a class weakness?
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played a 50 wizard, 50 sorceror, 50 infil, 50 scout, 50 friar, 50 minstrel, I know quite a bit :clap:. and I was disagreeing with what strengths you said a minstrel had, process the meaning of a post before flaming it ;) and as for the TLs working together to 'overcome many issues', It's taken them 20 patches and they still aint done yet ;)
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by Trinilim


played a 50 wizard, 50 sorceror, 50 infil, 50 scout, 50 friar, 50 minstrel, I know quite a bit :clap:. and I was disagreeing with what strengths you said a minstrel had, process the meaning of a post before flaming it ;) and as for the TLs working together to 'overcome many issues', It's taken them 20 patches and they still aint done yet ;)
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I notice bard does not appear in your very impressive list of 50's, so come back when you have gained a tad more experience with the class. I never said they were a minstrels strength, I merely pointed out that minstrels are not solely comprised of ae and stun and have abunch of skills that many other classes woulg gag for. Take my insta and give me minstrels nerfed stealth plz.
 
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Trinilim

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Originally posted by old.Nol


I notice bard does not appear in your very impressive list of 50's, so come back when you have gained a tad more experience with the class. I never said they were a minstrels strength, I merely pointed out that minstrels are not solely comprised of ae and stun and have abunch of skills that many other classes woulg gag for. Take my insta and give me minstrels nerfed stealth plz.
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we're a regular flame fest aren't we :)

well, as for my experience in bards, I have (had really) a lvl 40 enchanter, and while I'm not ub3r 1337 lvl 50 on him, I've had plenty of experience with bards. They're fine imo :p
 
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Jiggs

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sorry to interupt the intellectual debate but why are druids uber soon??

tzee posted it.. would like infos!!
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by Trinilim


we're a regular flame fest aren't we :)

well, as for my experience in bards, I have (had really) a lvl 40 enchanter, and while I'm not ub3r 1337 lvl 50 on him, I've had plenty of experience with bards. They're fine imo :p
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Well, they're not, they have an insta mezz which is overpowered, and they have an endurance song which is underpowered. Roll a bard if you are so convinced that they are fine.

You realise of course that telling me you have a lvl40 enchanter, then sayin you're uber leet is quite ironic don't you? Next thing you're going to tell me is it's on Camlann, right?
 
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Trinilim

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Originally posted by old.Nol


Well, they're not, they have an insta mezz which is overpowered, and they have an endurance song which is underpowered. Roll a bard if you are so convinced that they are fine.

You realise of course that telling me you have a lvl40 enchanter, then sayin you're uber leet is quite ironic don't you? Next thing you're going to tell me is it's on Camlann, right?
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no actually, Guinnivere, US servers :). End song is fine :p and never said I was uber leet :p
 
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Cloak_

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-Increase end regen radius to 2000
-Add Mastery of Concentration to the bard's RA list
-Add a snare component to the bard's DD shout


I like the guy who said this :D
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by Trinilim


no actually, Guinnivere, US servers :). End song is fine :p and never said I was uber leet :p
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How exactly is it fine, tell me what your experience with end song is? Twisting ,in any format, sucks, ask a minstrel who needs to drag a pet, or mezz on pulse. How do you compare a song to a chant to a buff? How is end song, in anyway, across the realms even? Endurance song is nothing like your friar end regen buff.

End song is screwed for Hibernia, the realm that consumes pratically double the endurance on their styles to any other realm. There is no route of escape for a bard now, no matter the class chasing you, chances are you are screwed because they have an endless supply of endurance and you don't. If you do get out of the way, then you are so far out of range that it is pointless anyway.

All that's happening is bards are going in carrying shields, at least it offers some minimal protection to our class, which is already the main focus of every enemy player because we are primary CC.

All the options, leave Hiberian style users without endurance.

Tell me how endurance song is ok?
 
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