Bards need a boost

[shilak]

Bard end chant is fine.

Albs get end regen chant on paladin, power regen chant on minstrel, power regen buff on sorcerer.
Hibs get end regen chant on bard, power regen chant on bard, power regen buff on mentalist.
Mids get end buff on shaman and power buff on healer.

If you were to give the end buff to hib and/or alb then you would need to give either end and/or power regen chants to mid to balance it out.

 

[shilak]

Erm, Nol, Friar end regen buff is a self only chant just like the warden self only chant!

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by shilak
Bard end chant is fine.

Albs get end regen chant on paladin, power regen chant on minstrel, power regen buff on sorcerer.
Hibs get end regen chant on bard, power regen chant on bard, power regen buff on mentalist.
Mids get end buff on shaman and power buff on healer.

If you were to give the end buff to hib and/or alb then you would need to give either end and/or power regen chants to mid to balance it out.

I never normally agree with mids, but well put shil

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by shilak
Bard end chant is fine.

Albs get end regen chant on paladin, power regen chant on minstrel, power regen buff on sorcerer.
Hibs get end regen chant on bard, power regen chant on bard, power regen buff on mentalist.
Mids get end buff on shaman and power buff on healer.

If you were to give the end buff to hib and/or alb then you would need to give either end and/or power regen chants to mid to balance it out.

With all due respect mate, that is definately coming from someone without experience playing a bard in this patch. We do not have an end chat, we an end song, which requres us to carry a drum and is interupted even by misses.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by shilak
Erm, Nol, Friar end regen buff is a self only chant just like the warden self only chant!

I know that mate I am refering to his expereince with endurance, he has a friar, his experience is an end regen buff. His other experience with end song, is that he has grouped with bards before, which imo does not make him and expert on end song.

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by old.Nol


With all due respect mate, that is definately coming from someone without experience playing a bard in this patch.

With all due respect mate, that is definately coming from someone without experience playing any other realm in fact, all of your posts have been biased. What high level characters do you have in alb or mid? that lvl 50 mincer? pfff, sit on your ass and play power song for 5 days and you've got one.

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by old.Nol


I know that mate I am refering to his expereince with endurance, he has a friar, his experience is an end regen buff. His other experience with end song, is that he has grouped with bards before, which imo does not make him and expert on end song.

how exactly do I qualify to be an end song expert? do I go to school for it? do I get a diploma?! I've gotta order a frame!

 

[Qte Eth]

bard ends regen is worst
song sux badly
its not a chant
ktnxbye

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Trinilim

Originally posted by old.Nol
With all due respect mate, that is definately coming from someone without experience playing any other realm in fact, all of your posts have been biased. What high level characters do you have in alb or mid? that lvl 50 mincer? pfff, sit on your ass and play power song for 5 days and you've got one.

What is biased about my posts? You obviously haven't followed my illustrious forum career. If you look through threads you will notice numerous occasions where I have stood up for many other non hibernia classes, including Minstrels, Clerics, Paladins and Sorcerors.

Why is it these classes, because these are the classes I have had experiences playing. FYI I spent quite a bit of time in Albion on excal on a friar in the battlegrounds. I belonged to a guild called the Nemesis. My friends form Albion include Sharpschutze, Fluid, Fennix, Panthrus, Mini moose, Kate and many more. I did not particularly enjoy my time there, I have since made friends with various albs who have come to Hibernia.

I don't comment about clases that I haven't played.

When I speak about classes, I speak from experience, I don't just offer a viewpoint because I once was killed by an obscure cleric who knew my Cousins best mate. Offering an unexperienced opinion, that is bias.

I have a 50 Minstrel, 45 Paladin, 44 Hero on US servers, various other 20's from all realms, including the new SI classes and I have played a 50 Sorc for a period of weeks. That is besides my eu characters.

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by old.Nol


What is biased about my posts? You obviously haven't followed my illustrious forum career. If you look through threads you will notice numerous occasions where I have stood up for many other non hibernia classes, including Minstrels, Clerics, Paladins and Sorcerors.

no sorry, I don't bother stalking people but anyways

/flame off

time to get back to crafting

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Trinilim


how exactly do I qualify to be an end song expert? do I go to school for it? do I get a diploma?! I've gotta order a frame!

Experience will do, like a tradesman, right now, you're a novice.

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by old.Nol


Experience will do, like a tradesman, right now, you're a novice.

in end regen song? guess I am in all albion classes? Guess you could call me a Legendary Alt

 

[shilak]

Originally posted by old.Nol


With all due respect mate, that is definately coming from someone without experience playing a bard in this patch. We do not have an end chat, we an end song, which requres us to carry a drum and is interupted even by misses.

Okay, I see the problem now. I sort of agree then, maybe it should be an end chant instead of a song or at least stop the interrupts just for getting hit/missed, stuns/mezzes/amnesia should still effect song playing though. Does it have a casting time before the first pulse? Or is the first pulse the instant you start the end song?

 

[Rollie_David]

thing is atm the bard is the best support class in game, it has a massive variety of options available to them, changing the bard end song to a chant would probably make them a bit too powerful, if bards do need a "tweek" then there are ALOT more classes in front of them needing the same kinda "tweeks", one things for sure they dont need anything big adding/adjusting, there is still no class in alb/mid that can offer the same amount of support all from 1 class.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Trinilim


in end regen song? guess I am in all albion classes? Guess you could call me a Legendary Alt

sheesh

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by shilak


Okay, I see the problem now. I sort of agree then, maybe it should be an end chant instead of a song or at least stop the interrupts just for getting hit/missed, stuns/mezzes/amnesia should still effect song playing though. Does it have a casting time before the first pulse? Or is the first pulse the instant you start the end song?

It depends on your instruments con, it works exacty like minstrels speed. As soon as you're hit you're fooked, unless someone can pry the person off you. You can twist speed and end, but you have to play power for the mages too, which means instrument changes etc. Plus a bard has to stand still to cast anything except it's lulls or instants - the moment you do, the song you're playing disengages, and you have a few seconds before it can be re-engaged.

 

[Fame]

Originally posted by shilak
Bard end chant is fine.

Albs get end regen chant on paladin, power regen chant on minstrel, power regen buff on sorcerer.
Hibs get end regen chant on bard, power regen chant on bard, power regen buff on mentalist.
Mids get end buff on shaman and power buff on healer.

If you were to give the end buff to hib and/or alb then you would need to give either end and/or power regen chants to mid to balance it out.

bards only chants is resists chants.

rest is songs! which needs to be played/casted, that is the real problem for bards atm

(didnt read the thread yet)

 

[Jiggs]

Bards are fantastic support, if we could swap a class i think most alb groups would give anything to have a Bard in them.

i think minstrels would complain the same things about songs, but thats the whole point isnt it: those classes are really hard to play well.

i'm sure alpha and fame would love it if they could instantly switch songs like a skald or paladin, but it wouldnt be much fun for their opponents.

one important point i would make is that the shamen end buff is just plain wrong. Zerks on permasprint spamming their styles with no penalty is just not right.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Jiggs
Bards are fantastic support, if we could swap a class i think most alb groups would give anything to have a Bard in them.

i think minstrels would complain the same things about songs, but thats the whole point isnt it: those classes are really hard to play well.

i'm sure alpha and fame would love it if they could instantly switch songs like a skald or paladin, but it wouldnt be much fun for their opponents.

one important point i would make is that the shamen end buff is just plain wrong. Zerks on permasprint spamming their styles with no penalty is just not right.

Minstrels do have the same complaint about twisting and it is rediculous that we(both classes) have to equip from our inventory to be able to sing different songs. It would be like you having to take your staff out your pack everytime you want to fight, and putting it back everytime you have to heal.

No Bard has a problem with the fact that we have to click buttons to engage our songs, we have a probem with the fact our songs are useless in combat. Our primary function has always been as an endurance battery for our end heavy tank styles, that function is obsolete now, as I explained in other posts.

Imagine not being able to get access to your friar end buff because someone was shooting arrows at you and missing. Last night I was chased around by a green con who was stopping me from engaging end song in battle, even though I evaded practically every hit. I could not shake the bugger, because his endurance well is now more then mine.

We don't want all our songs changed, we want a reliable way to access endurance regen, the change could be as simple as letting the song continue playing instead of being interupted all the time.

See how long Albion would have bards for after a year of

/END FFS
/END SONG
/OUT OF END
/PLAY END YOU TWAT

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by old.Nol



See how long Albion would have bards for after a year of

/END FFS
/END SONG
/OUT OF END
/PLAY END YOU TWAT

the same could be said for minstrels and

/POWERSONG!
/PS!!
/OOP!
/PLAY POWERSONG DAMNIT!

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Trinilim


the same could be said for minstrels and

/POWERSONG!
/PS!!
/OOP!
/PLAY POWERSONG DAMNIT!

Oh we getting that too, from the mages :/

 

[belth]

Nah, you just got the crack-bots.

 

[old.Nol]

I wish - majority of the crack bots are either crap mana spec - or logged in keep for uber dot.

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

Originally posted by old.Nol


Read the message twat - bards are saying they don't want insta's. You got stun, stealth, chain and pets to play with - so fuck off till you have read the thread and can provide some usefull feedback.

kthnxbye

look up sarcasm, whine about the cc bards have got ? kkthxbye.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

End regen buff is WAY WAY overpowered.

I would take end regen buff in exchange for GP if it were possible, as something our realm could have.

Last night I died, after our only mage, and the mids were running about happily with full endurance smacking our tanks around, since;

1) hib styles consume the most endurance of all 3 realms (this is the fucking reason we got end regen in the first place)

2) even if you kill the shaman, end regen buff is still active

3) they can sprint while still doing styles, and cut sprint and hit normally until endurance comes back up

4) there is no limit on how close you must be to your group/endurance guy

it's virtually passive, you don't really need to do anything with it, and for fuck sake you can even setup a bot for it.

what some of you wont realise is, a boost to the other realm classes (sometimes even same realm), can be an indirect nerf to others.

eg: mezz reduction on sorcs in 1.59 = indirect nerf to all mezzers
see hidden = indirect nerf to all archer types

in the same way, end regen buff and to a lesser extent, end chant (since it is instantaenous, however, it can be stopped at least), is a nerf to hibernia and the bard - it can be tough to start up end song at all with the constant doublefrost spammers sprinting after you, and i even advise druids to dont bother to heal me if i have done my mezz, and im being chased by people when i dont have my song up... it's just a waste of mana.

CC is another subject, but for me, endurance regen needs to be looked at, it's clear mythic totally fucking retarded this one up.

 

[AbPoon]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
End regen buff is WAY WAY overpowered.

1) hib styles consume the most endurance of all 3 realms (this is the fucking reason we got end regen in the first place)

Youll prolly find L axe is the worst overall for end use with the way the haste effect works. ^^

 

[Trinilim]

Actually, imo (this is MY OPINION, it's not a FACT, so don't take it like a FACT) a friar, that has no end buff (the one that reduces end cost) and doesn't use end regen, that uses haste (32%) will drain end fastest of the 3 realms (and yes, I speak from slight experience, SLIGHT mind you). 1.5 spd with the same end cost as a 4.0 spd.

 

[AbPoon]

SZ using the max celerity would drain faster.

but anyway thats not the point, Hib wasnt given end regen because it has massive end drain, it was given it for the sake of it basicly.

Anyway youve had end regen since it was put in the game, stop crying just because someone else has been given oneof yer uber toys

 

[Hit ^_^]

nerf clerics.

 

[Trinilim]

nerf archers, they can still hit me

don't really see why hibs should complain about the other realms getting end regen.. You've had it forever.. you also have many other things we don't have, but that's not the point. We got one of your 'skillz' now, whine away :kissit: