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Fafnir

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Nikab and Burka, France is now contemplating to get this, Italy was first out in 1975 where it stated against both mc-helmet, veil or in other form conceal your face in public.

Whats your view on this?

I´m against Nikab/Burka, but have no problem against other kind of veils muslims wear where i can see their face and know who i interact with.
but at the same time thoose countires who enforce this should also ban any kind of mask people wear in demonstrations or othertimes, except perhaps halloween masks or masquerade masks.
 

old.Tohtori

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Kind of silly to use resources to banning something like that.

Useless, pointless, waste of resources and adds tension to nation.

No.
 

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Yeah i'm all for it. Think it's bloody stupid wearing all these masks.
 

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I personally would let them wear them as its religious belief but i would make it law that when asked you show a police officer ect your face. I remember a road wars where they had to wait for a hour while a female officer came to make sure the licence holder was really the driver. Its either wait or be called a racist atm.
 

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nothing wrong with wearing them its up to them, it should be banned inside shops etc, much the same way hooded tops are.

And of course banned from photo ID. You'd be surprised how much photo id is accepted with fully covered burkas.
 

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Where job description applies - no. For religion then np. But some aspects of that religion should also be a no. I still see women walking deliberately at a certain distance from their men because that's what their culture says must happen. Excuse me, if you live in UK, you can shove that shit right up ur arse. You want that so bad...go home, we are all equal here...
 

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Where job description applies - no. For religion then np. But some aspects of that religion should also be a no. I still see women walking deliberately at a certain distance from their men because that's what their culture says must happen. Excuse me, if you live in UK, you can shove that shit right up ur arse. You want that so bad...go home, we are all equal here...

How should that bother you? :eek7:

And how would you enforce it either? Law on walking distance from aquintances? :p
 

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How should that bother you? :eek7:

And how would you enforce it either? Law on walking distance from aquintances? :p

We have an equal rights system here, and are about to have a social justice bill to go through toht. How in the hell are you supposed to have a front line receptionist wearing one of those? Hardly greeting is it? Secondly, women here have more rights than freaking men, all they have to do is cry wolf and the state will be down on those fellas faster than you can say Bahumat gave me an autograph... :)
 

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Here in Denmark we had this discussion not too many months ago, but the law got denied as we have religious freedom here. I too find it scary when a masked person, may it be woman or man, walks up to me. I bet I'd get stopped straight away by the police if I wore a balaclava around town. If they then stopped me and I replied that it was for a religious purpose, what do you think their reaction would be? Not positive I can imagine

Maybe it is an instinct that when someone masked walks up to you, you are supposed to go in defense-mode and stay alert, but I really dislike the burkas/Nikabs when you can't see the face
 

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How should that bother you? :eek7:

And how would you enforce it either? Law on walking distance from aquintances? :p

I agree tbh. Telling them they are allowed to walk closer surely we are just enforcing our beliefs onto them. So long as it doesnt turn to violence or abuse and not affect me then i dont see the problem really
 

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I dont want to walk into a shop and have to be served by a ninja. they can wear the one which covers their whole body, except the face, but the post box mask is stupid. I want to be able to see who i'm talking to.
 

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The clothing itself shouldn't be banned, that is ridiculous, like banning a kind of hat or something. However shops/private premises of all kinds should have the freedom to decide what can and can't be worn on their premises; just like they can ban hoodies or balaclavas.
People should have their freedom to wear whatever impractical crap their religion dictates when on their own turf or when in a public shared space, but if you want to come into my shop or work for me then you can obey my rules regardless of what you believe in.
 

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I want to be able to see who i'm talking to.

Go to a different shop then. That´s what I do when - for some reason - I don´t like the clerk or the serving person.

People are allowed to run around with their entire body tattoed and pierced, but they´re not allowed to wear the clothes they want to wear? Why not ban excessive tattoos too? That´s pretty ridiculous.
 

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From what i´ve understood after reading different sources not even the muslims are certain its is according to their religion that women should wear this. Some say that its enough for a man not to touch a womans hands or face, some say the woman should cover her hands and face. And according to a hadith transmitted by Ibn ‘Umar that “Prophet Muhammad forbade Muslim women making pilgrimage to wear gloves and nikab” (the holy ahadith from al-Bukhari).

I´m just waiting for the day when a bank clerk losses his/her job cause he gave money out to the wrong woman cause he could not really see who it was due to the burka/nikab.

And in some muslim countries a woman is not allowed outside their door without an escort, should we allow this aswell since thoose who practice it say its according to Islam.
 

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I´m just waiting for the day when a bank clerk losses his/her job cause he gave money out to the wrong woman cause he could not really see who it was due to the burka/nikab.
They can take them to one side and check if they really felt it necessary ;), a bit like they do in the rest of the world

And in some muslim countries a woman is not allowed outside their door without an escort, should we allow this aswell since thoose who practice it say its according to Islam.
Why should it bother you if someone doesn't want to go outside without an escort?
 

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i say yes, ban bodyguards too! and all kinds of masks. Even kids wearing them should get fined, or their parents.
 

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Why should it bother you if someone doesn't want to go outside without an escort?
Well no problem for thoose who dont want to, but some are not allowed to go out without a male relative escort.

But then again some muslim "sects" are just as fucked up as some christian sects and jewish sects etc etc.
 

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if we can convince laddey and his mates to wear these things while going about their day, get the daily mail to pick up on it then the whole thing will explode
 

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I'm sure if everyone did it there would be no net negative effect on society ;)

You claiming that everyone si turning muslim, or that muslim ways are turning your country into one? Ooh how paranoid of you :p
 

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Well no problem for thoose who dont want to, but some are not allowed to go out without a male relative escort.

But then again some muslim "sects" are just as fucked up as some christian sects and jewish sects etc etc.
yes thats obvious but how are you gonna prohibit it? rather get them to break out of their oppressive lives. some might even like it you know.
 

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They can take them to one side and check if they really felt it necessary ;), a bit like they do in the rest of the world

That's the one thing i think does need to be laid out in Law. That episode of Road Wars was stupid the Lady would not show either male officer her face. So they waited for a female who looked at her face and let her go. So if they have a reason to confirm your identity i think they should have to show their face to a police officer.

I would also consider banning them in primary schools let kids be kids dont make parents have to explain all this to a 6 year old.
 

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ANY fully covered face wear should be banned in public. Dont care what it is, if you cant identify a person in that clothing then it shouldnt be allowed. I see it as a public safety matter, and hate the fact that they can walk through airports without ever revealing their face, as such you can not be sure they are who they are meant to be.

If it "religious, then they can wear it in their sinegogs or whatever, but outside of there it should not be allowed!
 

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I´m just waiting for the day when a bank clerk losses his/her job cause he gave money out to the wrong woman cause he could not really see who it was due to the burka/nikab.

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I dont see how this is relevant. Bank clerks dont give out money based on facial recognition.
 

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I dont see how this is relevant. Bank clerks dont give out money based on facial recognition.

well they could have a man in a burka, forging a womans signature to gain access to the accounts. Afteral security levels differ in countries/banks
 

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Banning shit in general is stupid. Let people do as they will, some people won't like it but meh. But those that chose to dress or act differently because of religion should not expect special treatment, and should not moan if others don't like it.
 

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I'm against banning it. People should be allowed to wear what they like for chrissakes.
 

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