Bad Omen are complete rp whore arses imo

[Aarweenie]

Originally posted by Spamb0t
so if its a soloer.. only the 'want rp' part is needed?
u still get rp in 1fg+1 vs 1fg fight.. since 'just rp' is fine with u

what about the stealthers who is in a 1vs1 fight? im pretty sure ull 'add' there ;o

well... if they find a hib/alb running around solo... then they don't get a 1fg vs. 1fg fight... but at least they get RPs...

by running 1fg+1 you will get rp's... but you won't, how ever hard you try get a 1fg vs. 1fg... it's the simpliest math... 8+1 = 9 not 8

and I'm sure they'll add if they find a stealther fighting annother stealther... but what do that have to do with running 1fg+1?

imagine the whine if they didn't help then, if help was needed... I'm sure the stealther would do a "BO doesn't care if a single stealther dies" or something like that...

now... I'm sure that's not the reason they do "help" stealthers... but look it the other way... if the stealther would have the chance, would he "add" on a BO fight? he would most likely...


anyhow... helping a stealther that have uncovered annother stealther isn't really compare:able with asking people not to follow your grp imo

 

[Ottar]

> BO are looking for 1fg vs 1fg fights... running 1fg+1 will guarantee
> you that you won't find a 1fg vs 1fg fight...

Then again, running 1fg in a zone with a zerg(s) in it will get you -and- everybody else killed dead when joining up you maybe had chance.

Exhibit A: today in odins. It is know that there are 40 or so hibs in odins. 1fg BO and my group of 6 are NE of hmgo. 1fg hibs is reported to move towards T-junction. BO storms off towards tower, I get told to block zw from amg. Turns out there are 2fg hibs at hmg and we die. Lots of deathspam by BO somewhere, likely those hibs at T-junct. Sometime later they turn up at hmgo and die as well.

Result: pretty much all mids in odins dead, that 1fg hibs that ran off by themselves likely ressed by others. If we had stayed together, dunno, maybe we would have lost anyways, would have been much closer fight tho.

Ottar

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

thing with 2groups often is that its impossible to kite/lure,
kite = you let enemy see you and chase you, and then let them get spreaded out, and then finisih off all ppl that is chasing it etc.
Works often like a charm if played correctly.

And you didnt have skald speed either tho ottar :d but hastnener i think or so you said, but we did team up later tho, but we often wanna try stuff alone. And we got around 4-5k eatch fight.
And hibbis that was maybe 4-5fg in total doubt they got more then 1k.

 

[AzuratMinimus]

true we are rp whores but at least we´re good at it

And rps is pretty secondary though, the main thing is to win fights, running with just 1fg makes it more challenging then zerging. The challenge to beat something else is what drives us

 

[Ottar]

> thing with 2groups often is that its impossible to kite/lure,

No it isnt. Can do the same thing with 2 groups as well. Only difference is you got to have cg and if youre going to pull with more than 1 people you have to have folks who are good enough to disengage properly. We managed to pull that off a few days ago near DC and it worked like a charm.

> And we got around 4-5k eatch fight.

Well, we got 0,being dead so at least you cant say we leached

Anyhow. What you say is FG vs FG is fun. I kinda disagree with that. FG vs. FG is only a subset of fun.

1v1 is fun too. so is 2v2 and 2fg vs 2fg. What is fun is equal or close to equal fights. 1fg vs 1fg is only one case of that happening. The only real problem with more that 1fg is that the force gets increasingly unwieldy - takes more time to get moving and more chance of someone going ld and such. In that sense, 2fg is about maximum that can be effective at roaming. 1 fg sure as hell is easier to run and in that sense more fun. Still dieing to twice yer number is way less fun than summoning a temporary minizerg to get things more equal.

> And you didnt have skald speed either tho ottar

Had permasprint. Hastener was over by the time we rebuffed on ne zw - we came with it from Bledmeer. Yeah, no skald was one problem. Actually, was my fault as well. Should have told you to sod it and stayed put there, waiting for you to get killed or return. Going off to "look at amg zw" with 6 people and aug shammy for healing/cc, there being 40 hibs roaming around was stupid.

Ottar

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

You amuse me Blej. In the "redheaded stepchild that got beaten with a semi-large truck" way

Quite fun seeing how peoples views have changed with the chase for rp *Hi Dook*

As someone else said, if you want arranged fights that are even, go play something else, in this game it's a war. If I run in a full group, or hey, even solo, and a full group comes along, I get pissed. But I dont tell them to go away because I was there first. What a load of bullshit. /dismiss

 

[Jaem]

I think BO are doing a nice job with their "running a FG only" gameplay not trying to create zergs , but they've picked up a "I R UBAH l337" image along the way.

I understand why people tag along with your fg, as RvR can be hard, when solo, sometimes its just someone learning how to play and they need alil support I.E BO running around.

It goes the other way also, I'm sure many solo'ers can agree, spending time hunting down other solo'ers then having a FG run passed ganking your enemy isn't fun.

But I really can't understand why people are being rude to each other over this, its really sad how "RvR" has prgressed lately tbh

I think you all should relax :/

 

[Larssi]

This all shows serious lack of manners and respect to other peoples... Both trailing other people who've politely expressed that they don't want you to do that. And even more so posting a flaming whore arse tread ...

Good grief. Have manners people. And if you should happen to be a GM of a guild, always remember that you're the front image of you community.

Don't have to read the rule book like the devil reads the bibble, rules are just guidelines. Respect eachothers. Or take a break if you need.

Peace.

 

[leorin]

Originally posted by pudzy
Remeem is.

Blej is just fucking nutt's

Hi

 

[snoz]

Originally posted by -redb-
You hav it easy tbh
BO just kill me when i try to stalk their group

Such unfairness, where was my polite "dont follow us pls" warning? :<

:spin:

lol

 

[old.moriath]

double post

 

[old.moriath]

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus
oki we are n000bs, cause we want a fair 1fg vs 1fg fight.
We are n000bs, cause we dont like ppl that play bad and leeches and maybe 1 ae can ruin the fight.

I guess we are the noob ones that wants to play good etc only.
And dont die cause of misstakes by ppl.
Sorry for being such a noob :x

apology accepted

 

[Farnis]

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus
stealthers adds everywhere, if i see a stealther vs another stealther i really hope i can kill and do most dmg to that person, even if the sb/hunter would win the fight.

>honest<

Ahhh so its a kind of do as I say, not as I do kind of thing huh...

 

[poi]

and then..

 

[old.moriath]

TBH its supposed to be a realm vs realm game where we try and make midgard as strong a realm as possible to defeat the relic attempts by other realms.

Having a few elite vs and alb zerg to take relics isnt gonna pay off.

It is in everyones interest to help others get higher realm ranks in order to improve our chances

We are one realm and should be one 'team'. Working to a command goal which is to make midgard strong. Not just 1 guild strong imo.

 

[Doura]

As this has been said in several reply's

When it comes to combats in RvR I really think that everyone should help out eachother. So if you encounter a group that already is in a combat with 1fg/2fg feel free to give them a hand. I really don't think they would care unless you act like a moron and start hitting messed ones etc, etc.
But stalking a group that in a nice way tells you that they rather run along in emain by themself is a complete break of the CoC. Though I must add that the group it self breaks the CoC when telling a guy to "fuck off, go away noob", etc, etc.
Just ask the guy that is stalking you to go away in a good manner. Even if he doesn't stop stalking you, keep thoose evil words to yourself. Because your words will surely not change the fact that he can stalk you for as long as he wants. Thoose word will only create flame threads like this.

 

[leorin]

Originally posted by old.moriath
TBH its supposed to be a realm vs realm game where we try and make midgard as strong a realm as possible to defeat the relic attempts by other realms.

Having a few elite vs and alb zerg to take relics isnt gonna pay off.

It is in everyones interest to help others get higher realm ranks in order to improve our chances

We are one realm and should be one 'team'. Working to a command goal which is to make midgard strong. Not just 1 guild strong imo.

Thanks for telling ppls how things are and should be but i m quite sure rest of realm / guilds will manage without a crying kid like you whinin cause 1 guild didnt let you follow em ^^

This game is what you make it urself , some ppls enjoy not goin very hardcore RvR , and go hunts with friends and others. Some other ppls like action in the game and want to achieve smt PvP wise, which you cant achieve / nor enjoy yourself with another fg following them when its not needed. Now stop crying.

 

[Svartur]

I can understand people not liking having unwanted followers etc but to tell them to vanish
isnt really nice either knowing they will die if they buzz off alone.

Moriath however played his runie? Didnt BO include a Skald in their uber opted groups or is there only fotm 2h Troll savages there?
Then you could have just quietly outrunned him.

You dont want a single person to add in your fights. You want fg vs fg yet you dont respect one on one fights. Dont add up for me.
You could look at it the otherway around you know.

There is no RP stealing in this game. At least I dont think so but some people do.
One thing I know for sure though is that when a FG mids come running and see a single mid
fight a single alb/hib they always nuke/beat that single alb/hib no matter if the mid was winning
easily or taking a beating. And that goes for all guilds/mids running in FG.

And IMO it should be that way. You shouldnt have to ask for help or ask anyone to stay away from your prey or fight.

Now how can it be so bad vice verca? If he AEs your mezzes etc I can understand but if not. If you dont want him outrun him.
There are people that could argue the same thing for one on one fights.

"I wanted to beat him in pure one on one, why did you zerg him"

Bet the "opted mid FG we only want fair FG vs FG" dont bother about that when they see a one on one fight. If you really stand for fair and square fights then you shouldnt interfear in fights like that and if all mids groups started doing that it would fuck it all up ending up with mids not helping mids in RvR.

And like I said, they shouldnt bother about who is winning the fight they run into to. And they shouldnt bother that much if they get unwanted help either imo unless its pure sabotage.

I always try to appreciate any help, if you whine you won't receive any help the day you need it.

 

[scarffs]

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus
stealthers adds everywhere, if i see a stealther vs another stealther i really hope i can kill and do most dmg to that person, even if the sb/hunter would win the fight.

>honest<

And tidus, do we play same game?
Are we 2 diffrent people?

I DONT like when fgs adds in a fight, i can understand if a group is losing etc, but if ppl winning its zz if ppl add imho atleast.
THIS is how i like this game, you like to maybe run around in random groups and run 2-3fg cause u cant kill 1fg good enemy group what do i know, but ppl like diffrent stuff atleast.
Accept that.

And compare to irl abit, if a person stalks you, you can like a thing you cant come withing ***meters D

And wish that would be possible in game to since, its just ZzzZZ if ppl stalks and dont even ask if they can tag after imho atleast.

0_o hmmm maybe get Aarween to talk for you because your point is hard to figure out...

 

[old.moriath]

I didnt use 1 aoe spell i know how to play after being 18 or so months in game ...

specially when i know they have 3 healers in the group... i'd have to be a thane to do that

 

[scarffs]

Originally posted by Svartur
I can understand people not liking having unwanted followers etc but to tell them to vanish
isnt really nice either knowing they will die if they buzz off alone.

Moriath however played his runie? Didnt BO include a Skald in their uber opted groups or is there only fotm 2h Troll savages there?
Then you could have just quietly outrunned him.

You dont want a single person to add in your fights.
But then you can look at it the otherway around.

There is no RP stealing in this game. At least I dont think so but some people do.
One thing I know for sure though is that when a FG mids come running and see a single mid
fight a single alb/hib they always nuke/beat that single alb/hib no matter if the mid was winning
easily or taking a beating. And that goes for all guilds/mids running in FG.

And IMO it should be that way. You shouldnt have to ask for help or ask anyone to stay away from your prey or fight.

Now how can it be so bad vice verca? If he AEs your mezzes etc I can understand but if not. If you dont want him outrun him.
There are people that could argue the same thing for one on one fights.

"I wanted to beat him in pure one on one, why did you zerg him"

Bet the "opted mid FG we only want fair FG vs FG" dont bother about that when they see a one on one fight. If you really stand for fair and square fights then you shouldnt interfear in fights like that and if all mids groups started doing that it would fuck it all up ending up with mids not helping mids in RvR.

And like I said, they shouldnt bother about who is winning the fight they run into to. And they shouldnt bother that much if they get unwanted help either imo unless its pure sabotage.

I always try to appreciate any help, if you whine you won't receive any help the day you need it.

Cant say it better !

 

[leorin]

Originally posted by old.moriath
I didnt use 1 aoe spell i know how to play after being 18 or so months in game ...

specially when i know they have 3 healers in the group... i'd have to be a thane to do that

ok

 

[Ottar]

> we try and make midgard as strong a realm as possible

You genuinely think so? Then hold that thought for a moment. Then reflect on how precisely is starting a thread here with a title in which you state another guild being "complete arses" is going to help us in achieving that strongness

BO may or may not take that 1fg doctrine a bit too far towards impractical extreme but calling them names aint exactly constructive either.

And Roo, stop mucnhing that bloody popcorn. Its distracting.

Ottar

 

[Rigon-Noir-]

Originally posted by Aarweenie
what most people not seams to get here is that BO RvRs for 2 reasons...

1. Get RPs

2. Have fair 1fg - 1fg fights

Originally posted by Aarweenie
well... if they find a hib/alb running around solo... then they don't get a 1fg vs. 1fg fight... but at least they get RPs...

No doubt if it's 2, 4 or maybe even 6 Albs/Hibs running about you'll still kill them, RP's right. Probably best you don't type anything else here Aarweenie, you just seem to contadict what everyone says, including yourself.

Originally posted by Larssi
good grief. Have manners people. And if you should happen to be a GM of a guild, always remember that you're the front image of you community.

Couldn't agree more, just remember it works both ways

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus

And tidus, do we play same game?
Are we 2 diffrent people?

Wasn't having a dig at anyone, my point was that you can't control who's out there. Last time i logged on Prydwen there were 1800 players online. If about a 3rd of them are lvl 40 plus and if half that figure is in RvR your looking at 300 ish players. Finding just 1fg for your ideal battle is pretty slim imo.

Originally posted by Leorin
Thanks for telling ppls how things are and should be but i m quite sure rest of realm / guilds will manage without a crying kid like you whinin cause 1 guild didnt let you follow em ^^

Mori's not a "kid", he's one of the most sensible people i know in DAOC and very respected by all that know him. If your only addition to this thread is a shitty little comment like that then maybe you need to "FO"

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

<Curses>

Mutters "Should have got a bigger bag of popcorn."

Ok since I'm all out of popcorn...


If I am running around a frontier and encounter a fight between realm enemies I wade in. No ifs buts or maybes. My realm buddies may not be in trouble *yet* but I'm not going to dick around and let them get into trouble.

However, if a group wants to go be by themselves I respect that.
When Fedaykin have put together a balanced group at times, we tend to putter off by ourselves and don't hook up with anyone else, even when invited. If we've spent the time putting it together we expect others to respect how we want to play, just as we respect others. We don't get overly bothered though if someone else wanders into one of our fights. We just laugh and gank like crazymen

From a personal point of view, I wouldn't even consider trailing after a group that explicitly stated they didn't want me around. I simply don't want RP that much to lower my self esteem by behaving like that.


Though its just my opinion and I'm likely to have several large cannons brought to bear on me:

Mori: making this post was wrong. Period. There is no justification for flaming fellow realm buddies in this manner. If I wasn't hungrily hunting for some more popcorn I could be bothered to go through the points. Your discussion skills are greater than your logic in this thread.

BO: chill a little. Not everyone has the exact perfect lineup to get into good fights just by logging on. It won't hurt either your reputation or standing with your realm buddies to let peeps tag along from time to time. I know you guys have spent a lot of time making sure you get the perfect line-up, but not everyone can do this.

Tolerance peeps. Please.

And now that I've managed to piss off two respected guilds in Midgard in one single post, I'll go back to muching popcorn

 

[kjel]

We taking this just a bit far?

BO like to run in 1fg, just like Warders, Maelstrom, Midget Mafia, and Hannah's gank group... Albs do it, hibs used to do it (meet Severance, the new zerg guild: Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!)

These group chew through most alb groups (and the occasional hib group, but they're a rare spawn I heard) and take a really long time to get killed horribly. 99% of the time they also have end4+lw1 so if they don't want you to follow they're just going to outrun you.

Despite people thinking they're all horrible bastards who don't let you into their groups, they're actually mostly nice people who don't let you into their groups. 1fg is a maximum of 8 people, and I'm pretty damn sure most of the RvR guilds have more than eight people (MM excluded - Slott, go back on holiday, I need more rps )

 

[old.moriath]

Originally posted by Ottar
> we try and make midgard as strong a realm as possible

You genuinely think so? Then hold that thought for a moment. Then reflect on how precisely is starting a thread here with a title in which you state another guild being "complete arses" is going to help us in achieving that strongness

BO may or may not take that 1fg doctrine a bit too far towards impractical extreme but calling them names aint exactly constructive either.

And Roo, stop mucnhing that bloody popcorn. Its distracting.

Ottar

The only way to get anyones attention on BW is to be extreme and so I was. If i had posted something less we would not have had the discussion we are having

The discussion itself is highlighting the problem that we have in midgard where we have the few elite getting 80% of the RvR rp and extending their chars. and the rest having to pick up the pieces as they are not uber enough to help 'in this case' BO defend the realm in Emain

I mean emain is zerg central if they want fg action go somewhere less populated like HW or Odins.

Maybe the title of the thread was emotional at base but its how i felt and telling someone how they made you feel as a consequence of there actions is no bad thing.

Unless of course that person is a socially maladjusted individual who doesn't give a toss about anyone.

oh and to those who said it

LOL@stalking comment.

I think you will find that the safest place in the frontier is with the most people. So call following a group self preservation instead of running out of pk and being ganked before mmg.

 

[old.moriath]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
[B
Mori: making this post was wrong. Period. There is no justification for flaming fellow realm buddies in this manner.
[/B]

Sure there is .... if there is something that i believe is wrong im going to take a stand. If i don't im not being true to myself.

You can't judge me right or wrong you can say itss wrong in your opinion but you can't say like you did its wrong period.

These forums are here to air issues. This is an issue I had. Now i very rarely start threads on BW which shows you how strongly i feel about it.

 

[old.moriath]

Originally posted by Sarnat
BO might be RP whores but if they don't want you following them, then don't. You should have some respect for your realm mates. Thumbs down for Moriath.

Respect is earnt and they have done nothing to earn it from me.

 

[Cami]

I agree with what Roo said 100% - If a group wants to run alone, respect that, you arent supposed to be the fat kid in school who have no friends and just tag along when the other kids goes out to play soccer.