[B]Helpful Tip for all Hibbies.[/B]

[ebenezer]

People dont like adds because they like a 8 vs 8 fight to make it even. people adding just means it is unfairer on the opposing realm, some people just like FG vs FG fights.

I mean, ofc i add, but when told not too, you should.. and dont make stupid whine posts about it because then you just look like a moron.

I agree with Raven.. well said mate.

the whine post here was made cause the fg people whine m8....its all them that is doing the whining to begin with or we wouldnt have this little problem. So please dont talk about looking stupid...
And for what you said about the game being an rpg in beginning?
Did you lick a 1000 stamps somewhere along the way in the game and the fields of green transformed into long tunnels and the sword turned into guns and you started to be leet and call the game CS instead? Cause that might explain why 90% are still playing in fantasy enviroment and still like to dress up as elfs/troll/ etc....i dont know m8 erhm....lol...talk about looking a bit korny^^

 

[Chrstffr]

have bow will shoot people.

Eble

we know, we know.

 

[ebenezer]

erm, yes it was lol, thats why you group with 8 players and run around in rvr combat ;X

zerging is roleplaying. thats what you used to do when the game first came out. FOR ARTHUR etc etc. keep takin n such. lol

Also i would like to add that you can also be 1.....2.......3.....4.....5......6....7.....8.. in a group....AND the 8 or less people could stand next to the huge fields mythic designed together with...10.........8........17........50......100...etc etc.... and my guess is that it would be hard fitting 100 people in a group chat, or what do you think?
Take a little look at how the expansions have been designed and you will also see how they all tend to go more towards bigger battles...just a hint
And if you think a bit further: Big field....many fighting.....same realm trying to kill enemy............very hard when people trying to claim 8 of them. Can you see a problem with that or so all people have to paint a clearer picture again?

 

[Ronso]

Out of respect for a fair fight people shouldnt add ..its as simple as that ..

Its not down to the usual dickheads giving the WELL I PAY MY SUBS excuse .

Its like this :

You see a fair fight ..where 8 people are fighting an opposing 8..

DO you a: Be honourable and let them fight fairly

or b: be low and spoil the fun for 16 people as well as make a fair and possibly very enjoyable fight reduced to just another reason to quit the game.

If I see a group of hibs who encounter a grp of enemies first ..as far as im concerned .its their kill and ill find my own battle ..

I dont pay your subs ...you choose how to play the game ..we co - operate and fight together when we siege keeps or do raids and we get those GREAT large battles you see on the cover of the daoc game WHEN we decide to work together ..

why come un-invited ? your realm m8s do not wish your help if they are doing well or even poorly in a fight with 8 people of the same thoughts.

Does your idea of fun mean spoiling it for others ? surely there are enough fights for all of us so we dont spoil each others experience ..

This is why we dont add ..because we are normal people and most of us believe in fair play and the ones that dont are always the dickheads in real life or the one that rolls on the items they can sell for the higher price ..


which one are you ?

edit : I am not in anyway an eleetist ..ive made loads of characters and dont have the patience to stick any one of them past rr6 - Im just another player who wants to have fun and have long fair fights .

 

[ebenezer]

Out of respect for a fair fight people shouldnt add ..its as simple as that ..

Its not down to the usual dickheads giving the WELL I PAY MY SUBS excuse .

Its like this :

You see a fair fight ..where 8 people are fighting an opposing 8..

DO you a: Be honourable and let them fight fairly

or b: be low and spoil the fun for 16 people as well as make a fair and possibly very enjoyable fight reduced to just another reason to quit the game.

If I see a group of hibs who encounter a grp of enemies first ..as far as im concerned .its their kill and ill find my own battle ..

I dont pay your subs ...you choose how to play the game ..we co - operate and fight together when we siege keeps or do raids and we get those GREAT large battles you see on the cover of the daoc game WHEN we decide to work together ..

why come un-invited ? your realm m8s do not wish your help if they are doing well or even poorly in a fight with 8 people of the same thoughts.

Does your idea of fun mean spoiling it for others ? surely there are enough fights for all of us so we dont spoil each others experience ..

This is why we dont add ..because we are normal people and most of us believe in fair play and the ones that dont are always the dickheads in real life or the one that rolls on the items they can sell for the higher price ..


which one are you ?

edit : I am not in anyway an eleetist ..ive made loads of characters and dont have the patience to stick any one of them past rr6 - Im just another player who wants to have fun and have long fair fights .

Lol...im almost starting to cry when i see that...but im not gonna bother anymore...Ronso with ur way of thinking and UR lack of respct for the rest of the people not thinking like you...the realm can screw itself...its as simple as that as you put it...and calling peoples dickhead cause they spoil ur little fgvs fg fights..well thats a feeble level of discussion which makes me think no one should have any respect for you m8, i had...but im not so sure anymore tbh. Look man....i UNDERSTAND that you think its fun to fight like you fight I DO IT TOOO, BUT newsflash, The enemys ARENT there to be claimed by anyone...cant you just get that into ur heads?? And why are you guys avoiding the fact that you can go to another place for that thrill?? if that is indeed all that counts. if not and you wanna play in the arean were EVERYONE fight the realm enemys....COUNT on adding. Its as simple as that as you put it....and NOTHING....can you listen NOTHING is gonna change until mythic change it. Please....just deal with it. Be frustrated....be angry....but dont bang ur heads against the walls like a 3 year old cause you dont get the candy on saturday every single time it hapends....yeeez...this is getting very very redicoulus now .

 

[Ronso]

You seem to have me confused with someone who gets emotional over the game ..Im afraid your very mistaken ..

That post was words not emotion..I dont get frustrated or overly angry at it ..it bothers me slightly as it spoils some peoples fun needlessly for the sake of a small bit of fun on the spoilers side ..

I believe you shouldnt add but if you do then its your policy . But if you can avoid adding surely you should no ?

And not to mean this in any aggressive manner ..but I dont mind losing the respect of anyone in a game because thats not why I play it ..and If I lose respect by posting an un-insulting and polite opinion on a forum then that persons respect is so little and insignificant its not worth having .

and dickhead might have been too harsh but what other word can you use to describe people who will spoil a fight if they dont need to when there are other groups just a few yards away.

There is a reason there is 5v5 in basketball and 1 v 1 in boxing and so on ..im just saying that it could be up held here also and why shouldnt it ? Also would like to point out I wasnt quoting you at any stage eben which means I wasnt arguing with your opinion and just posting mine so ..eh grow up and pick a fight with someone who is looking for one cause I am not one of them

 

[ebenezer]

and ronso i think everyone likes a fair fight when it happends. But the normal people with enough perspective to this game dont cry like a baby and throw insults to the other people trying to play the game side by side with them when they have someone assisting them killing the enemy. i hardly call that normal....and if you do well...im not suprised you are thinking like them...then we have nothing to discuss...keep cursing and yelling and everyone keep spoling ur little fun and we can keep going like that until there are two very distinct camps that will never do anything together. One half is gonna be venomous "dickheads" as you call it and go around cursing that they never got their claimed enemys in the fg fights..and wellthe other half will continue to coexist with their friends and continue playing the game as it should be. Wonder what half will get most of the fun out of their game play....
Also the old excuse about people paying their subs.....erhm.....its still valid btw...dont know if you started paying for them?
Otherwise i suggest you take your whine and leave it in ur own dark cave at home...

 

[ebenezer]

You seem to have me confused with someone who gets emotional over the game ..Im afraid your very mistaken ..

That post was words not emotion..I dont get frustrated or overly angry at it ..it bothers me slightly as it spoils some peoples fun needlessly for the sake of a small bit of fun on the spoilers side ..

I believe you shouldnt add but if you do then its your policy . But if you can avoid adding surely you should no ?

And not to mean this in any aggressive manner ..but I dont mind losing the respect of anyone in a game because thats not why I play it ..and If I lose respect by posting an un-insulting and polite opinion on a forum then that persons respect is so little and insignificant its not worth having .

well..you seem to get very upset at people for not respecting ur view inside a PC GAME.....so i wouldnt be suprised if you shed a tear cause you lost respect on a forum pal

 

[Ronso]

well..you seem to get very upset at people for not respecting ur view inside a PC GAME.....so i wouldnt be suprised if you shed a tear cause you lost respect on a forum pal

You get younger and younger with every post ..Im done with this one way arguement ..

eh..you win? your more sarcastic than me ? congrats :worthy:

and I lost the respec of someone I never played with and dont know ..Thats like some guy walking up to me in the middle of the street saying 'hi I lost respect for you ..go shed a tear' and walking off ..

ah ..pitiful

 

[ebenezer]

You get younger and younger with every post ..Im done with this one way arguement ..

eh..you win? your more sarcastic than me ? congrats :worthy:

and I lost the respec of someone I never played with and dont know ..Thats like some guy walking up to me in the middle of the street saying 'hi I lost respect for you ..go shed a tear' and walking off ..

ah ..pitiful

well you went from(whatever age you are) to 12 when you started dividing people into dickheads(the people not having ur view) and normal people. and just talking about winning or loosing ur little posting competision shows u have the right atitude for the leet side. its not a competition man..
i never saw it as that. We all debating over something that seems to be a big problem in game for you guys...so i suggest you do something about it instead of tying to debate some cool remarks to win against others here...thats not the issue lol
and yes...that was also my final reply to you
If you dont have anything more constructive in this argument about adding to make.

 

[Tallen]

Out of respect for a fair fight people shouldnt add ..its as simple as that ..

Its not down to the usual dickheads giving the WELL I PAY MY SUBS excuse .

Its like this :

You see a fair fight ..where 8 people are fighting an opposing 8..

DO you a: Be honourable and let them fight fairly

or b: be low and spoil the fun for 16 people as well as make a fair and possibly very enjoyable fight reduced to just another reason to quit the game.

If I see a group of hibs who encounter a grp of enemies first ..as far as im concerned .its their kill and ill find my own battle ..

I dont pay your subs ...you choose how to play the game ..we co - operate and fight together when we siege keeps or do raids and we get those GREAT large battles you see on the cover of the daoc game WHEN we decide to work together ..

why come un-invited ? your realm m8s do not wish your help if they are doing well or even poorly in a fight with 8 people of the same thoughts.

Does your idea of fun mean spoiling it for others ? surely there are enough fights for all of us so we dont spoil each others experience ..

This is why we dont add ..because we are normal people and most of us believe in fair play and the ones that dont are always the dickheads in real life or the one that rolls on the items they can sell for the higher price ..


which one are you ?

edit : I am not in anyway an eleetist ..ive made loads of characters and dont have the patience to stick any one of them past rr6 - Im just another player who wants to have fun and have long fair fights .

You cannot pretent to understand what other players view as fair play and what they percieve as fun. Believe it or not, players are people and as such complex and diverse in their thinking. We do not all think like you, your opinion is not always shared or even understood by others (most players dont even speak your language and come from very different cultures with different ideals, morals and points of view you cant even begin to understand).

Why do players insist on preaching what other players can and cannot do (even when you try and disguise it as "fair play")? It has nothing to do with them what other players do.

Once again, this is not a pvp game, and you cannot say that we will all fight as a realm when it suits you and fight alone when you say so.

You know the game, you all know its an RvR game, why do players insist on claiming that they can make the rules. The rules are made by Mythic (or to a lesser extent GoA), they are laid out in the game, thats the game you are playing, thats the game we are all playing, they are the only rules.

If you don't want to add on someones fight, then don't add, thats your choice. If you ask someone not to add and they don't add, thats their choice. You cannot make another persons choice for them, if they add thats up to them.

You MUST respect their choice or no-one can, in good faith, respect yours.

 

[ebenezer]

There is a reason there is 5v5 in basketball and 1 v 1 in boxing and so on ..im just saying that it could be up held here also and why shouldnt it ? Also would like to point out I wasnt quoting you at any stage eben which means I wasnt arguing with your opinion and just posting mine so ..eh grow up and pick a fight with someone who is looking for one cause I am not one of them

Actually ronso this was a little bit constructive, so im gonna answer that
Its a good idea you have here and it would work if the field wasnt a big battle field with 100 other people nearby...in comparison to a boxing ring were the people are in a small area with just two.
Also same with the basket ball which is a little bit bigger then a ring , same there though....there is no one else there except the teams on the field.
But it leads me once again to the very simple solution we all talked about....people that live for the 8vs 8.....make ur own arena somewhere else, in a place were no one finds them problem solved...

 

[Ronso]

Ok well to finish it then ..I ..you think you should be able to for xyz reasons and I think you shouldnt for xyz reasons .

Its not a posting competition ..I really dont care..youve posted far more on this thread than I have and you seem to feel more deeply about the topic than any of the rest of us so if it was a posting competition you fairly annihalted everyone of us for that matter .

I notice most of your other posts and most of them are quite constructive so for sake of not fighting with each other Ill give you a pm ingame when Im on and we can talk about it and settle any form of hatchet that mite need burying.

 

[Ronso]

If you don't want to add on someones fight, then don't add, thats your choice. If you ask someone not to add and they don't add, thats their choice. You cannot make another persons choice for them, if they add thats up to them.

You MUST respect their choice or no-one can, in good faith, respect yours.

I apprecaite that ..I do ..

this is my final question and post on the topic regardless now ..but you said it is a choice and I agree.. so the question is ..

IS adding a better choice ?

 

[Everz]

I started off by not adding, but it just got more and more annoying when higher rr full groups would steam-roll me solo then /laugh /hug me . This happen all to often so in the end i used to see a fg v fg fight and ill add and i dont care i get like 200rps, was a good feeling to get equal in a way, although now it makes soloing impossible since i seem to be KoS to any fg that goes around .
And the whines because i did that to were to great... so my ignore list i quite big, personally if you dont want peeps to add, then just attack grps, not solo or else whenever you are having an 8v8 if that person you just steamrolled will, i bet, be bound to add

 

[WullieTheRed]

I think I sit on both sides of the fence here. Number One, I too love running around solo, its a bit of a challenge and shit, and I also love running around 8v8, for the same reason. The only difference is, I really couldnt give a tin shit about people adding on me. Hell, even in the 8v8 side of the story, extra enemies can make it even more fun!
The thing is, even though I love the challenge of a fair fight, I even love the versatility of people adding on me. You know, I like that little thought of uncertainty in my head, where I dont have a clue whats going to happen. All this bitching between people for adding and stuff, is just a little childish if you ask me. Its like rl, really, you just got to take the good with the bad. If you cant do that, then ye really need to have a wee talk with yourself.
And if the only happiness you can find in this game now is nothing more than a strict 8v8 fight, then is that not a good sign for you that perhaps you should be moving on? Its only a game folks, try to have fun in it, no matter what yer doing.

 

[ebenezer]

I apprecaite that ..I do ..

this is my final question and post on the topic regardless now ..but you said it is a choice and I agree.. so the question is ..

IS adding a better choice ?

as answer to ur post about burying the hatchet hehe nps ronso. We have different views about it. or rather we both seem to have some sort of honor codex about whats fair and whats not in a game. And that comes from values we learned in rl. But its almost im afraid unsolvable in this case. I try and have respect for all people ronso...even people i never met, cause i think everyone deserves that chance until they prove the oposite. Even in a pc game. Cause their are people behind the screen after all. i enjoy rvr a lot. i played the game almost from scratch, and i got better in certain areas and have a pretty good understanding of the game by now i think.I have all i want on my alts....have 4 alts toad and done for rvr. Have huge amounts of friends. No real enemys in game to my knowledge. But in this i encounter something i cant understand(with the adding). I leave certain fights like 2 soloers fighting, cause i like to see the outcome from it...or cause its a friend fighting and he is doing well. Or i leave 1 fgvs 1fg cause i see they clearly winning it. And thats comon sense for me. But i do that cause the choise is mine to make.

Now...when people tell me when we are racing for same enemys in a small arena. that i should fuck off dont add. all that feeling of helping out and honor code disapear. They allready destroyed that kinda mutual respect they are desperatly crying out for in the other realm m8s.
So next time when going out in arena, i dont care if the same people scream dont add...why should i listen to them?? they sure as hell dont have any honor codecs themself, so why should people have it for them?
And also i dont think its so easy to say its adders...and there are fg vs fg people. There are so many opmions on how to play in rvr that we all just have to get along out there.....or dont
Me and a lot of people i know in game have lotsa respect for people and a good sense of moral etc. And love to face a fg and win. But we do kill a soloer in our path....and we do add on a big battle thats allready started sometimes...its different from time to time...sometimes its hard to even have time to make any decisions.
what i do know is that im never whining on anyone else...they can play exactly like they feel
Its when i get told from others that doesnt have that athority...or even respect for anyone else in the game, that im not gonna add or fuck off, il have to say i add on them and have no remorse for doing so...

Anyhow...i think this is never gonna be solved.
Unless mythic creates a new zone for the fg vs fg players. Which could as easely be solved by them moving their fights to another area...and thats not gonna happend is it
The people i hear screaming these insults are usually all people i seen struggling...or some that i even helped level in past and are now leet cool people that dont need the help of anyone else. And that is what i think is a bit sad.They now dont need anything since they have all mls...all equippment etc. So they dont really care about anything then their own enjoyment in game, and dont care about insulting people since they know they dont need to be nice anymore to get help etc^^
So i say the adding on them is just karma. they get back now what some of them deserve imo.
Then there are people like vodka fairy and some other good players that i know like the fg action and dont whine when it doesnt happend all the time..and ask with respect from other players if they may continue the fight themselfs, now thats the way to do it if you want to get anywhere
over and out...

 

[ebenezer]

I think I sit on both sides of the fence here. Number One, I too love running around solo, its a bit of a challenge and shit, and I also love running around 8v8, for the same reason. The only difference is, I really couldnt give a tin shit about people adding on me. Hell, even in the 8v8 side of the story, extra enemies can make it even more fun!
The thing is, even though I love the challenge of a fair fight, I even love the versatility of people adding on me. You know, I like that little thought of uncertainty in my head, where I dont have a clue whats going to happen. All this bitching between people for adding and stuff, is just a little childish if you ask me. Its like rl, really, you just got to take the good with the bad. If you cant do that, then ye really need to have a wee talk with yourself.
And if the only happiness you can find in this game now is nothing more than a strict 8v8 fight, then is that not a good sign for you that perhaps you should be moving on? Its only a game folks, try to have fun in it, no matter what yer doing.

hehe agreed And its so much in rvr that can be called unfair and makes you angry all the time if you dont just try and have fun and play the darn game
I mean...just creating a stealther that gets the oportunity to stab someone in the back unseen....or shoot someone from a keep 100 milesd away....or a warloc insta killing...or a bainshee shooting a tank to death before they even get close...you name it for goodness sakes.So why bother to focus on this small unfairness in comparison and blow it out of proportions completely..
But that might be the next thing in line....whining at enemy scouts to stop shooting from so far away

 

[eble]

still have bow and still going to shoot big holes in people.

i'm 99% solo and mostly hugging twrs/keeps and the like, any fgs fighting in those areas must always expect adds.

I fav pet hate atm is people saying 'roleplayer' in everyother sentence.

I guess with with everthing, we all have our own opinions, but I just cant get away from the fact that this 'is' a RPG, ffs people run round with names above there head, casting all sorts of fireworks from there hands.

I know, a fair few will say I only play the game I dont do the RPG shit, well that might be true enough, but when the next big thing comes along, that must have item these are generally the first people to organise hunting trips, exp groups and the like.


I'm not saying they run round shouting 'for arthur!', but honestly running round as a character, and then shouting something about stfu roleplayer, I really cant stop laughing.

ah I feel better now

Eble

 

[John Doe]

anyone who have played in a serious FG will never go back to the "add-" or "fight for the realm"-style.

this game would however probably be better if there were no such thing as guildgroups, setgroups, or the like. tho some ppl will always be better or more serious then the rest.

 

[Petwick(Ebony Hand)]

as a solo NS (when I am solo that is,which isnt very often these days) wether I add on a 1 vs 1 is down to 2 things...who the Hib is and who the Alb/Mid is.If its a Hibbie that I know would rather lose a 1 vs 1 than get help,I leave them...if its a hib I dont know and they are losing agianst an enemy who has added on me in the past Ill add with a stun move to help,if the hib asks me not to again I wont.

This whole thread was started,not so much as a add/dont add whine but more for the fact that as a small grp in a small area we were abused for running in the same direction as a fg of high RR hibs, and then gettin a couple of fights that were,tbh,really mixed up and scattered.Had on of the fg asked us politely to not add,then maybe we wouldnt have later on...well not delibratly anyway.The thing that made me and my 3 guildies laugh the most was,instead of shouting abuse at us for running in the same direction as them,(and lets face it,on the island there isnt that many routes to take) maybe they should have decided to run a different route.

The simple answer to the add/dont add to me is,if u get adds just treat them with some politeness and respect,ask them if they can try to avoid adding next time,accidents happen etc then leave whatever area they are in.

Its a damn sight easier to get people to respect your wishes if you treat them with a litle respect.

Oh and also,where are all these groups that dont steamroll soloers cause tbh I have NEVER seen one that doesnt.

 

[Gear]

Oh and also,where are all these groups that dont steamroll soloers cause tbh I have NEVER seen one that doesnt.

I have all hib GGs adding on my solo fights. Likewise I've been runed down by alb and mid GGs, so fuck em all really

I will try not to add on solo fights, especially on people I know, but anyone else can piss off. Sue me

 

[Mirt]

/sigh at this thread.

Personally I don't like to add on any fight where there roughly equal numbers of opponants fighting.

It's a hard road to follow at times, although it's not stopped me from getting quite a lot of rps on two characters - most of which was from solo.

It would be nice if there where more people who feel like I do, but I know I'm in a very small minority here ;(

 

[Alan]

Its one thing to intentialy follow another group around and leech off them - bad thing to do.

But when you are running over the bridge (a major public area) do not scream at your group to "not add" when they see some hibs needing a heal. Get a grip ! if you want to play group vs group then try something that isnt a MASSIVLY MULTIPLAYER online roleplaying game.

 

[WullieTheRed]

if you want to play group vs group then try something that isnt a MASSIVLY MULTIPLAYER online roleplaying game.

word.

Or at least try not to bitch when other people try to have some fun also.

As Jim Morrison said; "this is the trip, the best part, I really like..."

 

[ebenezer]

Its one thing to intentialy follow another group around and leech off them - bad thing to do.

But when you are running over the bridge (a major public area) do not scream at your group to "not add" when they see some hibs needing a heal. Get a grip ! if you want to play group vs group then try something that isnt a MASSIVLY MULTIPLAYER online roleplaying game.

Hehe..yeh it is actually as simple as that..and as wulle said
And....we can still have fg fights...just try and enjoy all the rest too
feels much better then.
If not? tough luck....i would have changed game long ago