[B]Helpful Tip for all Hibbies.[/B]

[Thlauni]

Well I guess its my turn to give some comments.

I am also one of the fairly newbies to the game, so I guess I do sometimes break the unwritten rules, however isn't there something about damage done determines the RP u get, so if I do a lot of damage I get a lot of RPs that only seems fair to me.

What is adding? Is it first hit, or whom saw em first? Or is it onlt adding after hte first 10 sec of the fight? It seems to me the rules of adding have been conveniently ignored as it is an easy way of yelling at other people.

Should you add when it looks like your fellow hib looses? After all it is REALM vs REALM and our first and foremost objective is to slay the other two realms. Everything else comes second.

The really cool battles.
I understand that, but I never really see any full group mids or albs run past me when I am discovered as a lone ranger. I am always promttly put to death.
If I, as a low RR ranger (RR4 currently) try and take on a lone caster I better hope he is a noob, as I am almost surely toast otherwise.
So where is the really fun and cool battles for me?
I can give some examples I have experienced.
1. Shooting two albs running in hiding from a main battle, needed me like 2k rp those to alone.
2. adding on a nightshade of ours, like two days ago, that masterfully AoE mezzed a bonedancers pets to attack bonedancer. I dunno if he would have won without me, but I did ask afterwards if that was ok, and got the impression it werent. So wouldnt do it, to him, again, though I feel I ought to.

Thing is, as a low RR and ML you cant take on loners all that well yourself. and you dont get high RR without doing some adding.

Lastly, why is it we hate adding? Aside from the cool fight moments, which granted are nice, if your evenly matched, then our side, the hibs only looses. Guess why we in long periods havent had any relics from the other side???? And whom guarantess your evenly matched. I for one are pretty sure that 1vs1 fights arent evently matched, as I usually get ganked by RR+++ me and ML +++ me and ToA'ed +++ compared to me.

So before you yell at people for ruining your fun, how about we all try and find some fairly reasonable levelsetting here. We all have access to the island in question, and until someone comes up with clear and established rules for when to add and when not to, I will execise my own judgement as to when I aadd and when I don't.
Thats my 2 cents (or more like 4 i guess)

 

[censi]

the funny shit is where the add backfires...

The amount of times im fighting someone and some random mage starts bombing on us... like occasionally we both break off and get on the mage fast and insta kill the fooker... or like a realmmate assasin adds and i stop whacking and the other guy manages to kill the add, and the dude goes like ballistic on you for stopping attacking...

things like that.

must be more frustrating in FG rvr because it even harder to get those all so sexy fights mastade describes. and like its much harder to collectivly disengage from a FG fight than it is from a solo one...

it is part of the game though. the peeps adding are not doing it to piss you off. they prolly just trying to help with the aim of killing enemies... I rarely get pissed at anyone from hib who adds on my fight. Sometimes i guess when I got fraps running and things are going my way V a good high RR stealther and someone spoils the footage I go a bit mad.

 

[Appendix]

So before you yell at people for ruining your fun, how about we all try and find some fairly reasonable levelsetting here. We all have access to the island in question, and until someone comes up with clear and established rules for when to add and when not to, I will execise my own judgement as to when I aadd and when I don't.
Thats my 2 cents (or more like 4 i guess)

Of course you should use your own judgement, don't be fooled by people telling you otherwise. If you feel like joining in a fight and judge your chances of coming out alive are high, you should go for it. That's what pvp is all about.

The thing that really is laughable about the high-RR groups whining about adds is that they certainly didn't achieve their high ranks by only engaging in 8v8 fights. They did it by mowing down large amounts of unorganised enemy players, farming the zerg and never missing out on any opportunity to earn RPs. Only when they are RR11+ and know they have a clear advantage against most other enemies do they try to impose some unofficial rule on other players which only benefits the high-RR, ML10, fully ToA:ed groups out there. Adds or no adds, these groups will always be at the top of the food-chain, they just don't like sharing the fun. Adds arent hurting the game, but the whining certainly is since it makes people hesitate on how or when to engage the enemy.

Seriously, if adding really is such a big problem for so many people, why don't you just arrange your 8v8 or 1v1 fights using irc? Just agree on a time and a place in a private channel and you will most likely not have any adds whatsoever.

 

[Mastade]

Seriously, if adding really is such a big problem for so many people, why don't you just arrange your 8v8 or 1v1 fights using irc? Just agree on a time and a place in a private channel and you will most likely not have any adds whatsoever.

Alot do.. but shit(adding) still happens from time to time

 

[ebenezer]

Of course you should use your own judgement, don't be fooled by people telling you otherwise. If you feel like joining in a fight and judge your chances of coming out alive are high, you should go for it. That's what pvp is all about.

The thing that really is laughable about the high-RR groups whining about adds is that they certainly didn't achieve their high ranks by only engaging in 8v8 fights. They did it by mowing down large amounts of unorganised enemy players, farming the zerg and never missing out on any opportunity to earn RPs. Only when they are RR11+ and know they have a clear advantage against most other enemies do they try to impose some unofficial rule on other players which only benefits the high-RR, ML10, fully ToA:ed groups out there. Adds or no adds, these groups will always be at the top of the food-chain, they just don't like sharing the fun. Adds arent hurting the game, but the whining certainly is since it makes people hesitate on how or when to engage the enemy.

Seriously, if adding really is such a big problem for so many people, why don't you just arrange your 8v8 or 1v1 fights using irc? Just agree on a time and a place in a private channel and you will most likely not have any adds whatsoever.

agreed
And for all the ones expressing the whining over and over again. The game wont change however much you whine....so whats more simple...you adapting and try to make the most fun you can out of the game? Or all the other 80-90 % playing this game, and also have the game mechanics on their side? or you can just continue whine every day and still nothing would happend Ofc you would get some frustration out, but people will continue to kill the other realms whenever they see them. Cause thats what most people consider their game to be about. And to the poeple that make little funny realistic comparisons(which shows how much you know about rl). I hope i meet you at like a food store in a que...im gonna take you by ur trousers...haul you down the street to the next store. Cause in my foodque i want maximum 8 people...dont like to have more there plz...ur ruining my shopping experiece. And i wanna be able to choose what im gonna have first of all!
Thats how silly this discussion is hehe

 

[Behmoth]

ofc its not, but do you really wanna have fun, when its on the cost of someone else?, theres plenty of fights going on thats not already been initiated.

adding on a fight might be funny for you, but it will ruin the entire fight for the 16 people already fighting, but do you care about them?

but look at the situation on Agramon its tiny, it's made for instant rvr and with instant rvr comes zergfest (just like bridge camping became at crauchon). so groups who want fg Vs fg should know better and stay away.
why do stealthers pick on squishy casters? thought they wanted precious solo action vs other stealthers "my caster doesn't want 1vs1 don't pick on me you are ruining my game God don't you understand noob random stealther" so i will add on all cos people add on me when i don't want

in other words its a gme play it as you want not as others want i will/do

 

[Tallen]

What amuses me is players who "solo" in places like Crim Bridge, then yell and throw a tantrum when other players add. Seriously, if you want to solo, go somewhere which doesn't get zerged every 5 minutes

 

[tierk]

Uh, yeah, thats the beauty about games, its not very realistic, so excuse me for not enjoying when people are trying to ruin the fun i'm having while playing a game

If you are going to quote me please try not to twist what i am saying. It is a game yes but my point was that the game has many different types of people playing it and we get a cross section of society playing it, Not that the game is like real life u muppet. Oh and if you really have kicked people from your raids cuz they have added on yer fights or were in a grp that added you really are a sad sad person.

As to all the people that complain on this thread about adding, i am sorry but every single one of you have added on fights i have been in, so please get off your high horses and stop talking shite. Seems its ok when you lot add on peoples fights and this is not considered adding but when the shoe is on the other foot you all moan and groan, just get a grip.

 

[Behmoth]

well thats why in many ways in-game is like irl, the more effort you put in the more you get out if you sit around your house all day doing nothing you will never be able to afford to go to the top restaurants, likewise if you spend your game time sat around doing nothing you wont achieve much either, everything you need is in toa/cata all you need to do is go and get it.

The word "roglord" was probably used out of place, but my opinion still stands, i play for the challenge of 1v1, if people add they are spoiling my fun and i have every right to tell them so.

raven then there are those with jobs and families who can't spend every spare hour on the game. remember it is a game and i have seen high rr jump on low rr fight run off and not rezz other grp

 

[liloe]

So Sheph could run around there alone?

damn I wanted to write that =)

 

[Raven]

raven then there are those with jobs and families who can't spend every spare hour on the game. remember it is a game and i have seen high rr jump on low rr fight run off and not rezz other grp

i play max 2 hours a day, if i play at all, i have a job and a wife, i just manage my time properly instead of lfg (pve) i make a group if i cant see a ML raid that i need i lead one.
Its funny, its usually the low RR people who complain that high RR are RP horny when its actually the other way around, some are happy to ruin a good 1v1 or 8v8 to get thier 100 or so RPs.
RPs ae a byproduct of competative 1v1 or 8v8, obviously i want RPs to improve my char but they arent the reason i play.

 

[Behmoth]

i play max 2 hours a day, if i play at all, i have a job and a wife, i just manage my time properly instead of lfg (pve) i make a group if i cant see a ML raid that i need i lead one.
Its funny, its usually the low RR people who complain that high RR are RP horny when its actually the other way around, some are happy to ruin a good 1v1 or 8v8 to get thier 100 or so RPs.
RPs ae a byproduct of competative 1v1 or 8v8, obviously i want RPs to improve my char but they arent the reason i play.

i can understand your point of view mate but i don't have to wait for a grp the guild has 2-3 groups out at anyone time usually so 5 min wait max but as i am a GM of my guild its sometimes my duty to help others and to go on guild raids to guild events lvl my bb ect ect

 

[ebenezer]

i play max 2 hours a day, if i play at all, i have a job and a wife, i just manage my time properly instead of lfg (pve) i make a group if i cant see a ML raid that i need i lead one.
Its funny, its usually the low RR people who complain that high RR are RP horny when its actually the other way around, some are happy to ruin a good 1v1 or 8v8 to get thier 100 or so RPs.
RPs ae a byproduct of competative 1v1 or 8v8, obviously i want RPs to improve my char but they arent the reason i play.

Raven...you seem like a decent guy. You succeed in having a lil rl and some daoc. Like some of the rest of us that are older. You played a long while(i think?) like the rest of us(not all). What i would like to know from you guys that seem to live among other people sharing mutual respect etc is ,how you in this all get so narrowminded? You seem to think its some great plot to destroy your game play? I cant stop to think ur a bit paranoid. And i think some of you are really overreacting. First time i heard someone scream at me not to add i didnt know what to say?? I always played tha game with friends and try to have the best of time and used my comon sence in all situasions in the game. We were out fighting against the other realms and helping our realm friends....is that all gone now??. Cause what you and the other are doing is, you are creating two really distinct camps. And in the end thats notgonna be able to coexist. No comon raids....no comon rvr...nothing together. Cause you dont wanna play together with the rest of the realm? You are all so angry at people cause they try to kill an enemy thats fair game when they attack hibernian lands, cause you claimed him?? isnt that as foolish as try and claim an artie? or worse...at least with the artie its something you fight over with someone in ur own realm . You see the big difference in this respect thing you guys talk about is, i never whined on you guys for anything. But i get whined at cause im doing something that is my right to do in this game. So should i have any respect for you then? But maybe thats not the issue here either.you guys just wanna be left alone in the arena...with your claimed group of enemys, then you dont care about what the other people do? Fair enough. sod all but ur own likes...a big round of applause to that. But can you do it in a place which isnt a zone were everyone in this game is fighting the other realms? cause in the game manual i see clearly that its my job to get a good character, go out and have fun and to kill the enemy. Not stand to the side waiting for some people that saw the enemy first, then go around in that small zone trying to step out of the way for a small group of people that think they have the right to every enemy they find there. Im sorry..i wont agree to that. I might use my comon sense and not kill someone when its 2 people fighting..cause i like to see the outcome from it, and wanna be fair. But in no way am i gonna step out of the way for people claiming a fg of enemys..just cause they think its theirs...or their way of having fun. I understand that you think its fun its not that, i love facing a fg with a fg and i enjoy it much more then steamrolling a soloer or a lesser skilled group. But im not whining cause it wont happend every time. If i was in ur situasion i would find the decency and have the respect for the rest of the realm and find a place with people likeminded, that dont wanna fight with the realm...thats only in it for the 8vs8 thrill, in a place were its not disturbing others trying to play the game the way its designed. im sorry but thats how i feel. You will never get whined at from me...i promise you that. You can do whatever you like in this game But apearently i cant or at least thats what you are saying. So the whine is only in one direction all the time which get a bit boring in the end to listen to. And that will result in as i said above, that people wont do anything else with you guys either. No raids...no mls together etc. But you seemed fine with that. You have your own group of friends helping you. Were you always with the same lil circle of friends the whole time in game, or did you ocasionaly help others/got help from others in past? you seem to forget that you were oce a part of this realm starting up needing help etc as everyone else m8. You are none of that anymore. suddenly you have become a single player with just ur closest frinds playing the game. Well, if that is what this game has come to..so be it all for themself...yeeehaaaaaa.

 

[Ruath]

Well i had a hard time reading yur post Ebeneezer, but i agree with u every single word... respect.

Now lets have beer ..

 

[Gear]

I agree with most eben says, but please use paragraphs

 

[Ryuno]

aye some good points there, just a little hard to read

 

[Mousah]

Imaoaoa Ebenezer for president!

totaly agree to 100%

oh and while your president could you plz slap Goa to speed clustering up abit?

 

[ebenezer]

heheh...sorry for the reading.....on contrary of what it seems i hate writing and just pour stuff that i think out of me. Have no patience for making it pretty and yeh i phoned goa and threatened with some smelly socks....clustering is inc next week

 

[Tallen]

Ok, one small question.

I occasionally come across fg v fg fights or large zergy fights, while (as a solo ranger) i try and avoid them (and will 90% of the time just sit and watch), if i see an enemy healer hiding behind a tree or a mage that my realmmates have not spotted nuking the crap out of them I will always intervene, take out the healer or the mage, then vanish.

I am taking out an enemy player that my realm mates are ignoring and doing it to get a nice solo kill and tip the balance of the fight in favour of my realm. I dont leach, I just take out the one guy and vanish before im spotted.

Would you say this is adding?

 

[ebenezer]

well lol...you allready know my opinion
But il say it anyhow, in my point of view all killing done in comon sense is assisting the realm get rid of enemies But you know and all else know the people that claimed the fg as their own will always call you a leacher and an adder...or they are all hypocrits

 

[Fyric]

I think what it comes down to is that the game, as mythic intended it was about one realm as a whole battling the other 2 realms with catapults etc. the problem is that some of the players have "evolved" past this, and do not find it entertaining anymore, what are these players supposed todo?

Im sure most realise that people aren't intending to ruin their fun as that would be harassment but the fact remains that the 'adding' does exactly that.

 

[ebenezer]

nah...worse is ur game play which comes down to claim whole groups from rest of players. Thats egoistic and more respectless then anything else. Make private battles that doesnt minimize game play for rest of population and no one will herass you there. very simple fyric. Go to a public place were peolle wanna fight enemys as intended, and you will have these discussions...its ur choise and ur making the hard one every time Fight like everyone else and get the ocasional fg vs fg fights in the public areas and stop whining when you dont get that...thats what i call evolve m8...ur thinking is going back to middle ages were some people were thinking they had more right then others....thats not evolving....thats something else completely

 

[Tallen]

You create some wonderful words Ebenezer, brilliant

 

[tierk]

nah...worse is ur game play which comes down to claim whole groups from rest of players. Thats egoistic and more respectless then anything else. Make private battles that doesnt minimize game play for rest of population and no one will herass you there. very simple fyric. Go to a public place were peolle wanna fight enemys as intended, and you will have these discussions...its ur choise and ur making the hard one every time Fight like everyone else and get the ocasional fg vs fg fights in the public areas and stop whining when you dont get that...thats what i call evolve m8...ur thinking is going back to middle ages were some people were thinking they had more right then others....thats not evolving....thats something else completely

Amen Brother!!!!

 

[eble]

have bow will shoot people.

Eble

 

[Petwick(Ebony Hand)]

have bow will shoot people.

Eble

 

[Himse]

People dont like adds because they like a 8 vs 8 fight to make it even. people adding just means it is unfairer on the opposing realm, some people just like FG vs FG fights.

I mean, ofc i add, but when told not too, you should.. and dont make stupid whine posts about it because then you just look like a moron.

I agree with Raven.. well said mate.

 

[Himse]

I can see why people want a nice balanced fg vs fg fight, but this game was never designed for that.

erm, yes it was lol, thats why you group with 8 players and run around in rvr combat ;X

zerging is roleplaying. thats what you used to do when the game first came out. FOR ARTHUR etc etc. keep takin n such. lol

 

[Fyric]

talk about misreading my post completely and utterly, when i said evolved it was meant as the same way a joke will get boring after awhile, so you have to find new entertainments, fg vs fg is this new entertainment, whenever that gets boring people will prolly go play something else

 

[Deadnala]

afaik the leetest trying to have their fg fights far away from ze zerg?!

and still, ppl find them and add (((((((((((((((((((((

So Aramon is far away from the zerg? Why should the low RR's go to NF? The so caled Leet can go NF aswell and leave Agramon for the lowies. 12 zones will get less adds than 1 zone. and no NF isnt dead.