Armsman

[knighthood]

Cept ofc it wont look like a pole will it cos ull have a whopping great shield dumbass.

Oh yeah ... silly me

 

[Garok]

Good point, tho, the only thing i would say, and i shuldnt cos u lot play arms more and better than me so i dunno why i argue lol, but, the snare, its off a detaunt right, but surely the detaunt makes u block/parry more cos of the defensive bonus so if i was using the snare as a getaway (say if solo) it cant be that bad right ? , tho u may be right tbh, guess i will drop thrust to 39, what would u recomend putting the spare into tho, more shield or more parry ? (xbow is a waste imo)

39 Thrust 50 shield 42 Parry should do it. I had a Luri peirce hero with that spec + MoB 4 MoP(arry) 4 and Aug dex 3 and you hardly get hit atall.

 

[Kagato]

Personally I wouldn't recomend it, wether you want the styles or not you do want the weapon skill, if not the cap increase.

Your defense would already be extremely high as it is and i'd rather have the weaponskill then the .5% per level of block/parry.

 

[BlackrazoR]

Question really is what are you going to use it for?
Solo Armsman is a completely different thing to Group Armsman.
BGing Group Armsman is different from Warlord Armsman - if you're running in a Celerity group with a BGing Paladin.
Your Spec and your RAs and your template will all be much easier to decide once you decide what your main aim with character is.
My Armsman is Hybrid - 44Pole/42Shield/39Slash/24Parry
Det4/Soldier's Barricade2
Only play him in groups and it works nicely for me - can run around Majsan-style and slam everything or whip out the pole and join the assist train.

P.S. Please don't pwn me with superior Armsman knowledge Kagato

 

[knighthood]

I want him to be a gimp
Im going out of the way to make it Inconnu and Thrust cos there isnt many (if any) in RvR. And they just look cool lol. Trust me, itll work out in the end

And if all else fails i can do assassin tasks for 8 years

Btw i am settling for the 44/44/44(45) spec, Kags right, i dont want too low wepskill and the dif in block/parry will be minimal from them other specs, besides thiers allways mob and mop if i need to increase it , i just wish they'd change Dragonfang for us, i mean its retarded they did a style review a while back and didnt change it, some people say itd be nice to have one of them procs theyre throwing about but i disagree as theyre all for Hybrid classes and Heavy tanks shuldnt get that, but maybe a Snare or High Tic Bleed would be nice.

Well see in coming patches i spose but i think theyll be too busy concentrating on minotuars and the new mauler class to bother

 

[Kagato]

Theres a differance between trying something new or uncommon in order to try and find an over looked advantage and deliberatly gimping yourself for the sake of it.
I did a similier thing myself many years ago when I first went with the pure pole and parry approach to RvR and I was fortunate enough that it turned out to be extremely viable and now many choose to follow it.

However going with thrust I think is highly unlikely to serve you well at all. With a sword/shield spec I would say whilst being very very uncommon you could possibly find yourself a nice over looked advantage it being bloody hard to hurt and still able to kill alot of enemy classes.
But with s/s in thrust spec you will lose alot of the advantages you just gained but decreasing your weaponskill even further, missing out on great artifact advantages and suffering poor style options.

At least a few patches ago str/con debuff poisons wouldn't of hurt you much, but with the new weaponskill poisons even that thrust advantage is no longer there.

Its a shame, you could have a very nice tank and still be fairly unique, like this though you will just be crap and unique.

Personally if I went pure s/s (heaven forbid) 50 crush 50 shield and 31 parry with auto training. Or 50 42 40 if your not bothered about brutalise. Like that you would have a very unique spec and still be competitive in my opinion.

 

[knighthood]

Yeah but.. but..

Thrust is , i admit, crap in terms of styles , tho arti wise, for solo play id be using Traitors anyway cos of the lifetap proc, thing is tho, Crush styles are also kinda shite iirc, and slash is the worst for RvR terms to use in Alb dmg wise, i know what ure saying and i do agree with u, but it cant really be "THAT" bad to use thrust surely? .

As for the str/dex debuff poisens, ill be honest with u mate, every stealther ive ever come across to my memory beats me anyway with runthroughs and/or strafing so thats not gonna bother me lol.

Dont get me wrong like i said i AGREE with all u say on this matter, but i still intend to go thrust, who knows, maybe i can make it work lol. Being underestimated is an advantage surely

Well we'll see, dont have the accounts up and running yet, i guess ill pm u ingame so u can shout at me to make me change my mind

 

[knighthood]

Hmm actually having just gone through the style list, Crush doesnt seem all that bad tbh, some nice moves in there, a easy to pull off combo for the combat spd debuff... And i guess i could get Bruiser now for Tower Taking

Only bugger with that is u cant auto crush (Never understood that tbh why Arms and Mercs didnt auto all 3 lines) . But hey thats barely worth the diff.
Whats the dmg on Devastate like ? is it worth going 50crush to get ?

U may well have saved me here, tho being inconnu is gonna kind of gimp my str for it , that shuldnt matter too much tho if i can outlast people...

Ok ill give it a try, also means i can just /lvl him to 20 off my old account so i dont have to ass about.

Huzzah !!

 

[Darzil]

Hmm actually having just gone through the style list, Crush doesnt seem all that bad tbh, some nice moves in there, a easy to pull off combo for the combat spd debuff... And i guess i could get Bruiser now for Tower Taking

To be honest, Bruiser should be handy regardless of your specialisations. As I understand it (mine isn't yet 10), when it procs you get increased damage to doors for a few minutes. So hit til it procs, then swap to a weapon you are specialised in!

I've ended up Crush with my armsman, started off doing it in order to autotrain, then just kept going. There were so few crush users at the time that I got lots of nice weapons given to me. Even now, crush weapons, especially pole or 2 handed, are pretty cheap on merchants.

Darzil

 

[Ljuvasara]

Bruiserproc lasts long enough for 1-2 swings, not a few minutes, personally I think they should just scrap the concept of auto-training and just hand us the points (unless your /20'd)

 

[Demon2k3]

i myself is crush on my paladin, well arms and pala isn't the same tho. But i love it. Alot of awesome wapons to choose from.

 

[Sollac]

To be honest, Bruiser should be handy regardless of your specialisations. As I understand it (mine isn't yet 10), when it procs you get increased damage to doors for a few minutes. So hit til it procs, then swap to a weapon you are specialised in!

I've ended up Crush with my armsman, started off doing it in order to autotrain, then just kept going. There were so few crush users at the time that I got lots of nice weapons given to me. Even now, crush weapons, especially pole or 2 handed, are pretty cheap on merchants.

Darzil

bruiser proc is pretty much the same as battlemaster ability faultfinder.

I have just finished my template and i is very happy with it indeed.

I have ended up with a base str of 230 without aug str.

my ra are agu con 2, toughness 3, det 4 and mop(arry 2) and looking at mop(ain) next.

base hits are around 2350-2400 with buffs tops 3100 hits.

melee resists are maxed and as are most others except energy and cold, but i have chosen the cl resist buffs to aid this

Goona change to warlord as soon as i get a star of destiny and im sorted.

Im specced 50 pole crush 38 parry 40 rest xbow, all with +14

some poor paladin asked for a duel, and i had him to 25% health before he finished his first round of chants

im gone for the following stats

str 100/101
con 96/96
dex 60/81
qui 72/75

there not maxed in any way but its a balancing act. i like to work as a grp, but find im crap using bg and grapple so gonna hit the warlord vane when i can.


the only arties i have used in my template ate SoM, using champ pole.

I have some nice items and will list them tonite so all you guys can worship the uber template ( easy items to get )

my melee bonus's are maxed (boo hiss) but after a chat with the main man, i decided that damage is not the issue its combat speed that is mostly required for us, so have combat speed 10% rest are at 4 or 6 cant remember.

still its effective.

I use 3 crafted parts now, boots, gloves and helm, and they are gonna have heal procs on them. as thats the last thing i need.

got fed up with paying shit loads of gold for 1% repairs on arties.

My arms is finished now, just rr levels to get and enjoy him.

im finally happy with him after trying slash/shield, slash pole hybrid, crush/shield/xbow, finally settled on crush/pole.

This template will allow for any change in weapon as all skills are at +14 except shield.

Yug

 

[knighthood]

Bah theyre really screwing me over on this friggin broadband package atm , delayed me another 2 days now. 2 more days to mull over my spec and then get so pissed off that i dont bother rolling an arms when i finally get back lol.

Wondering what would give an inconu more wepskill tho, crush or thrust, id assume thrust due to the dex (i know its 50.50 str/dex) but the overal str from crush on such a low base stat would cause too big a drop ?

 

[Darzil]

My personal feeling is always don't sweat it.

If you hit for slightly less, but aren't considered a melee threat til you hit, due to your race, you might do better overall.

Darzil

 

[Kagato]

Bruiser proc is rather stupid, its 5 second duration per proc, which is 2 swings at best, 1 if your on polearm unless your grouped with a paladin for celerity.

Its worth having for the sake of it, but its not great.

The real advantage in crush is decent styles and Malice. You will also want to have Battler in your 2h slot just for the charge.

Add a good shield with a reverse heal or life tap proc and your nicely set.

 

[Rhana]

Heh dont worry i knew Kag back when i played and id have to agree his pole is uber

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[knighthood]

What about a Valkyn Warrior lol

Same idea, less stat points wasted (ie like int) , tho only drawback i see is ALL the warrior weapons are str based. xD

 

[Kagato]

Thats a good thing, better weapon skill and easier to template when you only need to worry about strength.

 

[knighthood]

well maybe, but the advantage a warrior has is no double speccing and using a 2hander on a valk with such low str is pointless, itd just be the same as using my inconnu as a shield user thats what i mean. I do prefer the way valks run lol, tho it doesnt matter cos im coming to albion anyway

was just a thought heh