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S-Gray
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Yea, i too wont say whether its Right or Wrong on what happened, but Trem pretty much summed up the Opionions
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Tom
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Well I guess before we comment further we should allow zappeh or the other guys to come forward with an answer for Skylers argument?
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Skyler
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Hmm, I'm quite shocked at the positiveness of the feedback after that monster post 
Youve made me smile guys, cheers
Re: your sig Tom, those ads are all over the underground now...
Youve made me smile guys, cheers
Re: your sig Tom, those ads are all over the underground now...
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i do believe it has something to do with Yahoo
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ZaPpeh
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You were banned like anyone else that is under suspicion of cheating, you know this yet carry on like it was the demo that had you banned. You know full well that you were banned even before I saw the demo, just like every other person that is banned. Admins are not above the rules.
If the demo was conclusive you would be banned now, you are not, that would normally be enough for most anyone else but not you.
You speak out about this, go on anti-admin rampages, spout stuff about rotations when you know not what you are saying, etc etc etc, which was why you were removed as an admin, yet you continue to do so even now.
Oh and on the point of Khaos, he too was banned by an admin on suspision of cheating, yet he carries on as normal, you would do well to learn from him, instead of bitching that he suspected you were lan spotting(it is after all what he is supposed to do).
If admins use aliases then why should they not be treated like anyone that the admins dont know?
So to clear it up and this is for the people that listen to skyler:
He was banned for a few hrs (if that) he was aliasing on a lan and 2 admins watched him, demoed him and then he like every other person was banned.
banning lasts for 24hrs at max as the servers get reset at 6am and all bans are purged.
To stay banned I have to review the demo and permaban.
I did not permaban skyler because the demo, although suspicious was not conclusive.
Skyler was not removed from admin status because of this.
He knows what he was removed for yet would like you all to believe it was that incident.
"I didnt go about it the best way and was quite spiteful towards zappeh and further decisions he made/has made, which was wrong on my part"
That comment will get you nearer the truth of his dismissal.
Yes its true me and skyler do not get on, after all he did try to get my position at BW and has on numerous occasions and pretty much whenver he can, tell people how badly I do the job.
Why would i like such a person?
I think if you look back skyler, I' never once tried to make you look bad unless I was in defence of you making me look bad.
I have the logs of all of our comments, try me, go on.
If the demo was conclusive you would be banned now, you are not, that would normally be enough for most anyone else but not you.
You speak out about this, go on anti-admin rampages, spout stuff about rotations when you know not what you are saying, etc etc etc, which was why you were removed as an admin, yet you continue to do so even now.
Oh and on the point of Khaos, he too was banned by an admin on suspision of cheating, yet he carries on as normal, you would do well to learn from him, instead of bitching that he suspected you were lan spotting(it is after all what he is supposed to do).
If admins use aliases then why should they not be treated like anyone that the admins dont know?
So to clear it up and this is for the people that listen to skyler:
He was banned for a few hrs (if that) he was aliasing on a lan and 2 admins watched him, demoed him and then he like every other person was banned.
banning lasts for 24hrs at max as the servers get reset at 6am and all bans are purged.
To stay banned I have to review the demo and permaban.
I did not permaban skyler because the demo, although suspicious was not conclusive.
Skyler was not removed from admin status because of this.
He knows what he was removed for yet would like you all to believe it was that incident.
"I didnt go about it the best way and was quite spiteful towards zappeh and further decisions he made/has made, which was wrong on my part"
That comment will get you nearer the truth of his dismissal.
Yes its true me and skyler do not get on, after all he did try to get my position at BW and has on numerous occasions and pretty much whenver he can, tell people how badly I do the job.
Why would i like such a person?
I think if you look back skyler, I' never once tried to make you look bad unless I was in defence of you making me look bad.
I have the logs of all of our comments, try me, go on.
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Anyone got a mud pit and a pair of bikinies handy ?
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~Lazarus~
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/me thinks this subject has gone on long enough.
Guys, I dont want to make light of the problem, but dont you think airing in public is doing more harm than good to BW?
Not taking sides here - dont know enought first hand about the subject.
Skyler - Agree with Trem - your latest post was the clearest post I have seen from you lately.
Zappeh - As part of the BW "official" ? team, shouldnt this be sorted out in private ?
Guys, I dont want to make light of the problem, but dont you think airing in public is doing more harm than good to BW?
Not taking sides here - dont know enought first hand about the subject.
Skyler - Agree with Trem - your latest post was the clearest post I have seen from you lately.
Zappeh - As part of the BW "official" ? team, shouldnt this be sorted out in private ?
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legendario
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Originally posted by Mophead
Anyone got a mud pit and a pair of bikinies handy ?
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ZaPpeh
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Lazarus, I did mate, but he continues to make comments in public, so I feel its only right to defend myself.
I do not and will not make comments about him in public unless its in a response to him making accusations against me.
I agree its all a bit stupid and not great for BW but then I am a person with feelings and I have a right to defend myself.
I do not and will not make comments about him in public unless its in a response to him making accusations against me.
I agree its all a bit stupid and not great for BW but then I am a person with feelings and I have a right to defend myself.
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Okay I didn't want to do this, but Skyler I feel you are taking things too far. ZaPpeh is completely justified to remove any of his admins which he feels he can not work with.
Skyler annoyed me many a time when I was CS liaison, however I simply did not have the guts to remove people as admins, I am glad Zap did.
Skyler has to be the most self rightous, hypocritical admin I have ever worked with. This is a shame because outside of admining he isnt a bad bloke.
I constantly hear Skyler moan about people banning falsely, not having evidence. As I have said previously, I NEVER recieved a demo from Skyler of a single one of his bans. He expected me to trust his decisions, then shout at other admins for banning without proof. At this time I had 30 CS admins under me, everyone of them sent me demos for requested perm bans. This is what Skyler used to send me: ( and this is one of the shorter lists he sent)
Now this was simply a plain txt e-mail, no demos included. As I had done previously I asked Skyler for demos to prove these bans, even with the myg0t bans a condump or screenshot was sent by most admins. This was his reply:
Skyler annoyed me many a time when I was CS liaison, however I simply did not have the guts to remove people as admins, I am glad Zap did.
Skyler has to be the most self rightous, hypocritical admin I have ever worked with. This is a shame because outside of admining he isnt a bad bloke.
I constantly hear Skyler moan about people banning falsely, not having evidence. As I have said previously, I NEVER recieved a demo from Skyler of a single one of his bans. He expected me to trust his decisions, then shout at other admins for banning without proof. At this time I had 30 CS admins under me, everyone of them sent me demos for requested perm bans. This is what Skyler used to send me: ( and this is one of the shorter lists he sent)
mail from Skyler 18 February 2002 19:34
Sub: Latest list of cheats for perm bann0rage
uR|Bloodangel - xxx - 10/01/2002
[myg0t]R4PIST - xxx - 10/01/2002
52648 - xxx - 11/01/2002
PIT0n - xxx - 11/01/2002
AstroKat - xxx - 13/01/2002
shredr - xxx - 21/01/2002
obeese - xxx - 23/01/2002
shredr - xxx - 25/01/2002
[myg0t]Zer0 - xxx - 31/01/2002
:+:b0b:+: - xxx - 01/02/2002
Storm Trooper - xxx - 03/02/2002
[RW]Shaolin - xxx - 05/02/2002
iLLuSioN - xxx - 07/02/2002
@-----8---[=] - xxx - 07/02/2002
[myg0t]g0d - xxx - 07/02/2002
|ATF|The_Born_Killer- xxx - 07/02/2002
aristophanes - xxx - 07/02/2002
[g0t]milk - xxx - 07/02/2002
[myg0t]NightStalker - xxx - 08/02/2002
tit/ricnard - xxx - 09/02/2002
}flirble{ - xxx - 10/02/2002
@ - xxx - 14/02/2002
Nixcker200o2 - xxx - 17/02/2002
[bsq]trigger - xxx - 17/02/2002
[bsq]trigger - xxx - 17/02/2002
[bsq]trigger - xxx - 17/02/2002
there ya go..
ive not sent a list for quite a while so there ya go..
not as many as before but still to many
Now this was simply a plain txt e-mail, no demos included. As I had done previously I asked Skyler for demos to prove these bans, even with the myg0t bans a condump or screenshot was sent by most admins. This was his reply:
Continued in next post >> >>>Mail from Skyler 25 February 2002 18:23
Sub: Re: Latest list of cheats for perm bann0rage
uR|Bloodangel - xxx - 10/01/2002
^ have hltv of him - blatent
[myg0t]R4PIST - xxx - 10/01/2002
^ myg0tter so i didnt record..
52648 - xxx - 11/01/2002
^ didnt bother recording this guy either as he was using an aimbot more blatently than bloodangel
PIT0n - xxx - 11/01/2002
^ was using aimbot stupidly blatently again..
AstroKat - xxx - 13/01/2002
^ got demo of him, since i banned him on this date I have caught him on two subsequent occasions blatently wallhacking and aimbotting.
shredr - xxx - 21/01/2002
^ hes a notorious cheat on bworld, he has been around for a long time most other cs admins should know he is ban on sight, he uses cheats as blatently as myg0t people but with no tag. He changes wonid regularly too and has alternated his name quite a few times before, im sure hes featured in previous lists ive sent you..
obeese - xxx - 23/01/2002
this guy was being abusive towards me and other players in the server, he was accusing us of cheating when in reality he was the one shooting perfect headshots through walls from miles away, after a display of such blatent cheating he was banned.
shredr - xxx - 25/01/2002
^ read above for shredr info ;p
[myg0t]Zer0 - xxx - 31/01/2002
^ myg0tter, nuff said
:+:b0b:+: - xxx - 01/02/2002
^ tried to crash the server using the smoke grenade bug, earlier in the day i had seen him crash another gsp's server so i wasnt going to let him crash a peak time bworld one. note its also extremely hard to demo someone crashing a server as by the time you cam up and record the server crashes and the demo goes with it unless you stop it, but you cant stop it because you cant predict the exact crash moment
Storm Trooper - xxx - 03/02/2002
^ aimbot/wallhack stupidly blatent again...
[RW]Shaolin - xxx - 05/02/2002
^ claimed to be an admin, used aimbot/wallhacks constantly and threatened to ban people because he was an "admin"
iLLuSioN - xxx - 07/02/2002
^ banned this guy before, in my last list he was erik^beck, well he came back with a new wonid and join the server called erik^beck, started blatently cheating with his 300ping again then changed to this name to illusion at which point i ended his playing time..
@-----8---[=] - xxx - 07/02/2002
^ aimbotting blatently again, autoshoot etc.
[myg0t]g0d - xxx - 07/02/2002
^ killing people from ct roof on assault when they were inside the building or vent, stupidly blatent aimbot.. was using the speed hack as well.
|ATF|The_Born_Killer- xxx - 07/02/2002
^ one of myg0t g0ds friends who was also in the server doing the same thing through whatever wall, this guy headshotted me from inside the vent when i was near the truck outside...
aristophanes - xxx - 07/02/2002
^ another of myg0t g0ds mates, who was also doing the most blatent aimbotting through walls that i didnt even think bullets could go through
[g0t]milk - xxx - 07/02/2002
^ last of the myg0t people who were with g0d on the server, doing the same kind of shit that the others were doing, was amusing watching them autoshooting each other and actually putting in virtually no effort towards playing.. also this guy was using the speed hack.
[myg0t]NightStalker - xxx - 08/02/2002
^ quite obvious why he was banned...
tit/ricnard - xxx - 09/02/2002
^ speedhacking french guy who claimed he didnt cheat...
}flirble{ - xxx - 10/02/2002
^ clear cut aimbotter
@ - xxx - 14/02/2002
^ autoshoot/aimbot
Nixcker200o2 - xxx - 17/02/2002
^ autoshoot/aimbot/wallhack/speedhack and whatever else he used, he also claimed he was an admin and that he didnt cheat.
[bsq]trigger - xxx - 17/02/2002
[bsq]trigger - xxx - 17/02/2002
[bsq]trigger - xxx - 17/02/2002
^ this guy was on my team on nuke and blocked me once, i didnt think anything of it but round after round he would deliberately trap our players in places where they couldnt move blocking entryways and such, i warned him about 5 times verbally myself, then twice over rcon, then kicked him and then rcon warned him a final time, then banned him. He didnt stop blocking despite the warnings, he also started FBing the team after a warning or two. He then returned with new wonids a couple of times which i banned, then we saw no more of him.
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Now Skyler has many times moaned at other admins, and on these forums about the quality of amdining and proof provided, this coming from a man who couldn't practise what he preached. He sent me many lists like this, apart from the myg0t players none were banned. Had he simply taken the effort to make a demo, especially as he says that most are blatent, there would have likely been less cheats on BW. I wasn't asking a lot of him, just what every other admin did.
Again I asked Skyler to provide proof for his bans, and I was sent this. Now this is when I really realised how self rightous and arrogant he was.
Now my reply was not-unreasonable
I never recived another request from a ban from Skyler, he simply gave u on sending them. This is when I should have removed him personally as a BW CS admin, I didn't and regret it.
As for the map cycles, the same idea was suggested by ex 4k Purple when he was a BW admin. Now this was discussed for too long and never put into action. Partly because I dont want servers that simply serve the pro gamers, I want servers for everyone. Well done though SKyler you pestered and got some changes made. Don't try and live off it forever though, you will become bitter. Oh wait, you already are.
You know you were not an admin for half as long as most of the other CS admins, so how you can claim that they are simply riding the free wave of subscriptions is beyond me. They were all doing it for no reward, and no hope of reward a lot longer than you. Stop trying to drum up support for yourself, and constantly causing trouble. Your a big lie, a self made house of cards thats falling fast.
Again I asked Skyler to provide proof for his bans, and I was sent this. Now this is when I really realised how self rightous and arrogant he was.
Now my reply was not-unreasonable
I never recived another request from a ban from Skyler, he simply gave u on sending them. This is when I should have removed him personally as a BW CS admin, I didn't and regret it.
As for the map cycles, the same idea was suggested by ex 4k Purple when he was a BW admin. Now this was discussed for too long and never put into action. Partly because I dont want servers that simply serve the pro gamers, I want servers for everyone. Well done though SKyler you pestered and got some changes made. Don't try and live off it forever though, you will become bitter. Oh wait, you already are.
You know you were not an admin for half as long as most of the other CS admins, so how you can claim that they are simply riding the free wave of subscriptions is beyond me. They were all doing it for no reward, and no hope of reward a lot longer than you. Stop trying to drum up support for yourself, and constantly causing trouble. Your a big lie, a self made house of cards thats falling fast.
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legendario
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ok...admining aside. If any1 sent me an email that big I'd ban them anyway
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legendario
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//don't know how I missed this.
I like you ch3ts... but this was pulled straight out of a low budget american action movie
lol.
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I would also like to point out that every time I've seen Zap in action he has been spot on, he is also unbelievably sharp at spotting things, Skyler I have never played CS with you mate so I can't comment, I have on the other hand been very impressed with the job that Zap does.
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old.Soul
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no 1's perfect, zap has kicked me before under what i thought was a very unreasonable situation by an admin, think he was just regular admin at the time, i complained in forums and got shoutted at by ch3t was long ago anyway ....
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was long ago anyway .... Soul
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Skyler
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Ch3t, I am quite sad to see you post all that tbh, but you did whatever you felt was right I guess...
I have many demos of nearly all cheaters in that list, however, I dont expect someone to watch 2hours worth of demos, when they can just trust my word. Perhaps I was asking a bit to much, but the people I banned without sending demos were completely obvious cheats. The kind who empty servers in seconds, I was trying to keep people happier by removing them faster. I was also discouraged from making demos when a few demos that some other admins made (and I saw those demos), were disregarded because they were "inconclusive" (they showed numerous players locking onto other players and "autoshooting").
My judgement is trustworthy imo, and I thought adminning was about trust. My decisions were all correct, and no mistakes were made in the convictions of those cheaters in the list (how hard is it to spot someone autoshooting or using a speedhack?). I perhaps should of made demos, but I was trying to admin in the most efficient way possible, and when I was leaving one guys request for help only to see another in IRC and deal with that, I was under somewhat of a pressure to deal with the complaints.
I do accept I could of demo'd them, but that would of left more people unhappy, and more cheaters around. At that time there was a great boom in cheats on the servers and nearly every server had a cheat on it (thats just the obvious ones, not including the ones I couldnt convict). I feel I played a good part in helping to stop that mass influx of cheats on BW. I am trustworthy and have good judgement on cheating, I was confident I was making the right decisions and still believe I did, they were all myg0t or at least playing like myg0ts to a point, they were so obvious it took 30seconds to detirmine their cheating, and with the amount of people leaving/seemingly upset, I felt I had to act and remove them. I spent 3hours/day adminning at that time, and still didnt have that much time to make demos, I wasnt being paid to admin therefore I wasnt going to use up more spare time to demo cheaters, that should be banned instantly. I'm not complaining about not being paid, but I'm sure many will agree, giving up 3hours/day on average for a volunteer admin posting online, as well as work is a bit much, its almost like 12hours work a day. Despite most of those people not being permanently banned they didnt often come back to BW, and those that did tended to change their wonids, as for people disputing bans, would a myg0tter dispute a ban for any other reason than to cause hassle? I've not seen any autoshoot/aimbotters complain about their bans ever, they were caught, they know they were caught and thus deem there to be no point disputing their being caught, because they were actually cheating. You do get some cheats complaining about bans but they are usually cheats who know that they were hiding it to some degree, so they feel more confident in being able to get unbanned. Someone who has just used ogc to get 50/0 in 15minutes on a server in the most obvious way possible, does not try and dispute their cheating. They just move along to another server, or to another gsp, or change wonid and come back, they keep on cheating obviously however... (/me looks at shredr...)
Purple originally suggested the idea of cpl ruleset/mapcycle servers before I was an admin, yes. However, they werent added and the idea was seemingly dropped, I was not aware he suggested that until I suggested a similar thing myself, he seemed to of given up on the idea anyway. I took it upon myself to get the general idea implemented and to fully improve the mapcycles in every way possible, it wasnt that easy however, I tried and feel I did rather good in that respect as well.
I didnt see anyone else pushing for changes like I was. Most of what I suggested ended up being "adapted" so the full effect of what I planned wont be seen, which is a shame...
As for subscription claim, I did not refer to all admins about it, but there are some who would not pay BW subs if they werent admins
I am not perfect, and I am not saying I am, but I was an efficient admin who got rid of cheats, and after all thats what admins are supposed to do ?
My judgement was not wrong in those cases, and I'm still confident of my judgement now. I know of no case where I have judged someone to of cheated wrongly, the only mistake I am aware of is when I defended someone who actually turned out to be a cheat, sadly he hid it far to well for me to spot and thus I was more on his side than against him, until I saw the wall of evidence that came against him.
I spent a great deal of time demoing people as an admin, however I deemed none of the demos conclusive enough for a ban, and thus the demos never got sent and the person never reported. This is again partly why I did not demo the really obvious guys, as I was to busy demoing people who would need demos to convict... As for the obvious cheats who are out there to cause havoc, I made their efforts to waste peoples time void by removing them instantly. If you ever knew how myg0t people worked and what they aimed for, and all the people aspiring to be one of them, or like them, then you should understand partly why I decided to remove them asap....
I feel this entire situation is starting to turn more and more into a completely raw flame war (partly my doing), but I wont accept full responsibility for it
Many trust my abilities and judgement and I hope they will go on to do so...
And as for zappeh wanting to use quotes, I have plenty of quotes myself, but I dont feel that I should be that petty
This is all a great shame really, and all spun off of a mistaken ban ? ;/
I have many demos of nearly all cheaters in that list, however, I dont expect someone to watch 2hours worth of demos, when they can just trust my word. Perhaps I was asking a bit to much, but the people I banned without sending demos were completely obvious cheats. The kind who empty servers in seconds, I was trying to keep people happier by removing them faster. I was also discouraged from making demos when a few demos that some other admins made (and I saw those demos), were disregarded because they were "inconclusive" (they showed numerous players locking onto other players and "autoshooting").
My judgement is trustworthy imo, and I thought adminning was about trust. My decisions were all correct, and no mistakes were made in the convictions of those cheaters in the list (how hard is it to spot someone autoshooting or using a speedhack?). I perhaps should of made demos, but I was trying to admin in the most efficient way possible, and when I was leaving one guys request for help only to see another in IRC and deal with that, I was under somewhat of a pressure to deal with the complaints.
I do accept I could of demo'd them, but that would of left more people unhappy, and more cheaters around. At that time there was a great boom in cheats on the servers and nearly every server had a cheat on it (thats just the obvious ones, not including the ones I couldnt convict). I feel I played a good part in helping to stop that mass influx of cheats on BW. I am trustworthy and have good judgement on cheating, I was confident I was making the right decisions and still believe I did, they were all myg0t or at least playing like myg0ts to a point, they were so obvious it took 30seconds to detirmine their cheating, and with the amount of people leaving/seemingly upset, I felt I had to act and remove them. I spent 3hours/day adminning at that time, and still didnt have that much time to make demos, I wasnt being paid to admin therefore I wasnt going to use up more spare time to demo cheaters, that should be banned instantly. I'm not complaining about not being paid, but I'm sure many will agree, giving up 3hours/day on average for a volunteer admin posting online, as well as work is a bit much, its almost like 12hours work a day. Despite most of those people not being permanently banned they didnt often come back to BW, and those that did tended to change their wonids, as for people disputing bans, would a myg0tter dispute a ban for any other reason than to cause hassle? I've not seen any autoshoot/aimbotters complain about their bans ever, they were caught, they know they were caught and thus deem there to be no point disputing their being caught, because they were actually cheating. You do get some cheats complaining about bans but they are usually cheats who know that they were hiding it to some degree, so they feel more confident in being able to get unbanned. Someone who has just used ogc to get 50/0 in 15minutes on a server in the most obvious way possible, does not try and dispute their cheating. They just move along to another server, or to another gsp, or change wonid and come back, they keep on cheating obviously however... (/me looks at shredr...)
Purple originally suggested the idea of cpl ruleset/mapcycle servers before I was an admin, yes. However, they werent added and the idea was seemingly dropped, I was not aware he suggested that until I suggested a similar thing myself, he seemed to of given up on the idea anyway. I took it upon myself to get the general idea implemented and to fully improve the mapcycles in every way possible, it wasnt that easy however, I tried and feel I did rather good in that respect as well.
I didnt see anyone else pushing for changes like I was. Most of what I suggested ended up being "adapted" so the full effect of what I planned wont be seen, which is a shame...
As for subscription claim, I did not refer to all admins about it, but there are some who would not pay BW subs if they werent admins
I am not perfect, and I am not saying I am, but I was an efficient admin who got rid of cheats, and after all thats what admins are supposed to do ?
My judgement was not wrong in those cases, and I'm still confident of my judgement now. I know of no case where I have judged someone to of cheated wrongly, the only mistake I am aware of is when I defended someone who actually turned out to be a cheat, sadly he hid it far to well for me to spot and thus I was more on his side than against him, until I saw the wall of evidence that came against him.
I spent a great deal of time demoing people as an admin, however I deemed none of the demos conclusive enough for a ban, and thus the demos never got sent and the person never reported. This is again partly why I did not demo the really obvious guys, as I was to busy demoing people who would need demos to convict... As for the obvious cheats who are out there to cause havoc, I made their efforts to waste peoples time void by removing them instantly. If you ever knew how myg0t people worked and what they aimed for, and all the people aspiring to be one of them, or like them, then you should understand partly why I decided to remove them asap....
I feel this entire situation is starting to turn more and more into a completely raw flame war (partly my doing), but I wont accept full responsibility for it
Many trust my abilities and judgement and I hope they will go on to do so...
And as for zappeh wanting to use quotes, I have plenty of quotes myself, but I dont feel that I should be that petty
This is all a great shame really, and all spun off of a mistaken ban ? ;/
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So when I asked for thoose demos why did you not send me them? Infact you stopped sending me anything all together, you can shape this the way you like and come across all fluffy to the public, at least your fellow admins know what your really about.
Your points are not valid, the point of providing proof was so that perm bans could be justified, when there was a complaint we would have something to throw back in their faces. No admin but you had a problem with this. "Sorry you were banned permenetly, but we dont have any proof, but that does'nt matter because it was Skyler that banned you". Now you are the same person that has involved himself in other poeples bans screaming about their lack of proof. Your not on a pedestal above everyone else, so stop acting like you are. While you are at it, stop your constant bitching about zap and the rest of the BWCs admin team.
A for this being a flame war, accept full responsiblity. There was no need for you to constantly belittle BWCS and make yourself out to be the only good apple everychance you got. Did you think that the poeple you were insulting would just sit back and let you?
Your points are not valid, the point of providing proof was so that perm bans could be justified, when there was a complaint we would have something to throw back in their faces. No admin but you had a problem with this. "Sorry you were banned permenetly, but we dont have any proof, but that does'nt matter because it was Skyler that banned you". Now you are the same person that has involved himself in other poeples bans screaming about their lack of proof. Your not on a pedestal above everyone else, so stop acting like you are. While you are at it, stop your constant bitching about zap and the rest of the BWCs admin team.
A for this being a flame war, accept full responsiblity. There was no need for you to constantly belittle BWCS and make yourself out to be the only good apple everychance you got. Did you think that the poeple you were insulting would just sit back and let you?
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from where i'm sitting it looks like ch3tan has a very valid point.
If you wont hold yourself up to the standards that you demand from others you are hypocritical.
With rights come responsibility.
My god i think i might faint or something, i'm actually agree'ing with ch3tan
If you wont hold yourself up to the standards that you demand from others you are hypocritical.
With rights come responsibility.
My god i think i might faint or something, i'm actually agree'ing with ch3tan
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Tom
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I wouldn't mind seeing the 'terms and conditions' offered to a prospective admin. If there is such a thing, then that should be the way to sort this out.
Skyler you talk a lot of sense on here, but maybe airing this in a public forum isn't doing you any good? After all, nobody here really knew about this until you mentioned it - although please correct me on that point, if I'm wrong.
Skyler you talk a lot of sense on here, but maybe airing this in a public forum isn't doing you any good? After all, nobody here really knew about this until you mentioned it - although please correct me on that point, if I'm wrong.
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S-Gray
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Yeah.. i too wouldnt mind seeing the Guidelines for been an Admin, what to do, what not t do etc etc
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Skyler
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You have a point ECA and I cant really try and change that. There are many mistakes in these situations, some are mine, and others belong to other people, fortunately I can accept my mistakes...
I tried to explain reasons behind that, I could of perhaps dealt with it better, but the demoing recording wasnt necessary in the majority of cases you talked about, most of those were myg0ts and I was under the impression that we banned myg0tters on sight, I didnt ban them on sight however, I banned them after seeing that they were definitely cheating
Most of the other guys in those lists are also myg0t members or friends of them, hence my decision not to demo them either
I could/should of demo'd some of the others, but some were so extreme in cheat cases (myg0ts + friends), they had to be removed from the server asap...
myg0t psychology is to piss people off, and to stay on servers as long as possible, and to annoy admins... etc.
I simply negated their whole mentality and ideas behind it by banning them almost immediately and continuing to do so if they chose to rejoin with new wonids
That pissed them off, which doesnt make them want to play here
Where as on uk2, they are rarely banned instantly, more like after a map or two, which is less hassle for the myg0t guys, so they just join there instead and try to annoy people
If you were one of them would you try and cheat somewhere you get banned extremely fast, or somewhere that takes time to ban you ?
I know where I would go if I was them...
I tried to explain reasons behind that, I could of perhaps dealt with it better, but the demoing recording wasnt necessary in the majority of cases you talked about, most of those were myg0ts and I was under the impression that we banned myg0tters on sight, I didnt ban them on sight however, I banned them after seeing that they were definitely cheating
Most of the other guys in those lists are also myg0t members or friends of them, hence my decision not to demo them either
I could/should of demo'd some of the others, but some were so extreme in cheat cases (myg0ts + friends), they had to be removed from the server asap...
myg0t psychology is to piss people off, and to stay on servers as long as possible, and to annoy admins... etc.
I simply negated their whole mentality and ideas behind it by banning them almost immediately and continuing to do so if they chose to rejoin with new wonids
That pissed them off, which doesnt make them want to play here
Where as on uk2, they are rarely banned instantly, more like after a map or two, which is less hassle for the myg0t guys, so they just join there instead and try to annoy people
If you were one of them would you try and cheat somewhere you get banned extremely fast, or somewhere that takes time to ban you ?
I know where I would go if I was them...
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S-Gray
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Can i just ask on this Demo Situation for admins..
So an Admin is meant to Record a Demo of the offender before you Kick/Ban him? Well what if you create a Demo, Ban the guy, and he comes back bearing a new WonID? Does that mean that you have to create another Demo and ban him? or will it be instant?
So an Admin is meant to Record a Demo of the offender before you Kick/Ban him? Well what if you create a Demo, Ban the guy, and he comes back bearing a new WonID? Does that mean that you have to create another Demo and ban him? or will it be instant?
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Skyler
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Another demo afaik...
It seems that way at least
It seems that way at least
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legendario
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Becoming boring now.
This is more like a personal argument than an interesting discussion..(not that these forums have those).
ok skyler I would accept their decision and keep some self respect m8 (i.e stop arguing this over argued point) and i'm not for 1 second suggesting that this is all your fault.
all 3 of you (sky,Zap,Ch3t)... this aint probably the best place to settle this argument...
most of these posts are becoming pointless and boring....the same points are being argued over and over again.
Lets face the facts...
Skyler aint admining no more
Nothing will probably change that
The 3 of you dont agree
Forget it, move on, close thread.
:/
This is more like a personal argument than an interesting discussion..(not that these forums have those).
ok skyler I would accept their decision and keep some self respect m8 (i.e stop arguing this over argued point) and i'm not for 1 second suggesting that this is all your fault.
all 3 of you (sky,Zap,Ch3t)... this aint probably the best place to settle this argument...
most of these posts are becoming pointless and boring....the same points are being argued over and over again.
Lets face the facts...
Skyler aint admining no more
Nothing will probably change that
The 3 of you dont agree
Forget it, move on, close thread.
:/
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Ch3tan
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I would, but you see I defended Skyler to keep him as an admin when he might have been axed previsouly. And then he goes on a rant about the CS admins? I am not having that, expecially when all he can do is lie and shit stir.
myg0t friends my arse Sky, not every cheat is associated with myg0t, and trying to justify your lack of proper admining like that is simply pathetic.
CS admins have a set of guidelines and rules provided by the liaison, I drew some up with the help of Horus when I was liaison. As problems are encountered rules are added and changed. There is an official Code of Conduct for admins coming from BW, when its finalised it will be on the BW admins page.
Every ban has to be justified.
Now I will drop it. I never wanted to get involved in the first place, but I am not having him try and make himself out to be the number one good guy at BW.
myg0t friends my arse Sky, not every cheat is associated with myg0t, and trying to justify your lack of proper admining like that is simply pathetic.
CS admins have a set of guidelines and rules provided by the liaison, I drew some up with the help of Horus when I was liaison. As problems are encountered rules are added and changed. There is an official Code of Conduct for admins coming from BW, when its finalised it will be on the BW admins page.
Every ban has to be justified.
Now I will drop it. I never wanted to get involved in the first place, but I am not having him try and make himself out to be the number one good guy at BW.
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Trem
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Ooooohhh look at you Leggie, all serious and tough
I've PM'd you mate.
I've PM'd you mate.
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Mr Bungle
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Originally posted by Skyler
[BI tried to explain reasons behind that, I could of perhaps dealt with it better, but the demoing recording wasnt necessary in the majority of cases you talked about, most of those were myg0ts and I was under the impression that we banned myg0tters on sight, I didnt ban them on sight however, I banned them after seeing that they were definitely cheating
Most of the other guys in those lists are also myg0t members or friends of them, hence my decision not to demo them either
The reason why you make demos is that there is proof which can be double checked should your judgement be flawed. If you sit back and claim that you're 100% right then I'd know you are a lying git. I've seen laggers banned for speedhacking ffs. I've seen people wearing myg0t tags as a pisstake banned for nothing. That's where demos come in, it gives the little guy a chance to respond to poor quality admining.
Sure it's only a game etc, but these things are important if people are to enjoy their game and expect fair treatment. Bending the rules for people whom you *think* are in myg0t is the thin end of the wedge. Bad bad bad.
If you want to see some admins clowning around check out Not The Heap 3 (www.not-the-heap.com). See how "fun" that is for the bystanders.
Cheers,
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Embattle
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Wow some reading
BRB
BRB
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Embattle
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Cutting out all the crap in this argument results in Skyler being a moaning bitch who didn't do his admin duties properly.....that is all.
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Personally, I'd consider wearing a myg0t tag to be promotion of cheating and deliberate trouble making and thus ban for it on sight anyway. Putting [myg0t] in front of your name is basically outright asking for a ban.