Albion Efficiency & Alliance

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SilverHood

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wow, what a flame....

allainces only work when everyone involved share the same principles and goals, as well as what the alliance should be used for...

Having been in an RvR alliance, I can say that it sucked major ass.... you weren't 50, you weren't important enough for /as

We left, and joined a FUN alliance, for hunts, RvR, groups, you name it, it's there....

In the end, people join up with like minded peopole... if that means having a guild of lvl 50's with uber drops oncea week, so be it.... you can't force them to play with you



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fatgit

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there's absolutely no need for all guilds to be in 1 alliance.

One large alliance will never work, due to personal differences, guild ethics differences etc.

Currently, we work pretty well as several alliances - most of the guild leaders KNOW who runs the other guilds & alliances, so it's just a matter of setting up a quick cg with the relevant people in it.

What we have in reality is an alliance of alliances - this way guilds don't have to put up others they don't want to work with, unless its something important like relic raid/defence

One large alliance = one large headache
 
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bonna

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well i thing i h8ed so much in the unity alliance was the bad use of /as
having to nearly ask to even speak on it was sick
i wanted an /as i cud use as if it was /gc and i do now
 
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Wicoa

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Silver hood in my case thats totaly untrue....... I am with loe and they only let those who on merits and dedication use the /as chat....... If you're level 50 you don't inherently get this privilage. In fact only officers and a handle full of dedicated people are allowed /as at the moment most of us don't have the privilage. This is a good tactic as the command channel is clear for orders and important announcements which can be aired without interruption.
 
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old.windforce

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Originally posted by kr0n
Call me a twat or similar

twat!

Sure sOtl has strong leadership and they deserve credit for what they do.

But why are some people such absolute twats (i hope thats the word for arrogant selfish asocial type of players) when they are in a winning team.
 
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old.Baritone

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Well one thing after reading the whole thread that stands out is that you come accross as a right selfish git Layl, Yes you pay your monthly fee as we all do, But i remember you Layl, A nice person, A good player, A friend even, Look at yourself now, Got to big for your boots and forgot who you friends were, are? :(
 
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old.Gombur Glodson

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/me gives everyone a nice big hug.

Care care care.
 
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Generic Poster

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lol, don't feed the troll. Kron is a simple lad, and gets off on people calling him bad names.

He's probably in IRC right now saying:
LOL!!! Look at what they're saying about me on BW!

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so, yes... you have been warned :)



I don't know if I should laugh, or feel sorry for the GM who posts below Kron's colourfull comments, and talks about the quality of his guild's members.
 
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Krissy

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K0rn speaks his mind, he always has ever since my first encounter with him in DAoC when we all started to come of age for RvR.This quaility that he has should not be bitched at , flamed or anything else u want bar encouraged, honesty is best above all hte " i play for the realm" when u pay ur cash ur entitled to get what u want from the game if u can. K0rn has done this and plays how he wants, its not up to u to pass judgment on him because he says openly what many players of this GAME are thinking.
 
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kr0n

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Originally posted by old.Baritone
Well one thing after reading the whole thread that stands out is that you come accross as a right selfish git Layl, Yes you pay your monthly fee as we all do, But i remember you Layl, A nice person, A good player, A friend even, Look at yourself now, Got to big for your boots and forgot who you friends were, are? :(

Im what my life has made me...

Alb and its players have pissed me off many of times, when I was around L40 I was almost quitting... did /gc quit from SotL once 'cause I got so pissed to alb and its players.

I havent changed much since I started playing. I just know alot more than when I made Layl. Ive become more rational and can see things clear without ambition or naivety blurring my sight.

Naivety is the one of the most qualities loads of players have. They can't see all the reasons for actions, they just see the action. If you have any clue what I mean you notice that it really makes sense.

And Baritone, no I havent forgot who my friends are. I just learned some whom I thought were, arent.
 
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Generic Poster

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Krissy you're becoming the victim of your own crusade, whatever the hell that might be.



Note the post above mine, note also his previous posts. Do you see a difference?

The message is almost the same, but the one above uses tact, the ones before use leet-mode(or something). Only one of those styles will give you credit and I'm sure even behind your blind-fury you can see which one.


You don't need a bad attitude to get your point across, and there's no need to support such methods. You're basically saying that people should speak their minds, no matter who it offends. A lot of people are saying that people who 'speak their minds' have already ruined enough of Albion's potential.... and now it's time to get down for some serious discussions, without arrogance, but a 'let bygones be bygones' attitude, and finally bring together a whithering realm.

It doesn't mean one-big-alliance, but it sure as hell means an-alliance-of-alliances.

The sooner people drop their pride and start talking on equal grounds, the sooner we'll get things done.



As for your hardman "don't give a fuck and fuck all you motherfuckers" approach... it seemed to work well after the legion raid. Or maybe I missed the point of the linked thread?


Krissy, you're a solid player and always fun to group with. But recently something's pissed you off and you might be right about the whole thing, or you might be taking out your aggression on the wrong things. Whatever it is, I hope you work it out soon and use your kick-ass attitude on some norse-butt.
 
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Jenkz

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Originally posted by Generic Poster
It doesn't mean one-big-alliance, but it sure as hell means an-alliance-of-alliances.

The sooner people drop their pride and start talking on equal grounds, the sooner we'll get things done.

we already have an alliance of alliances? Unity work with EC who work with Templars/Knights who will undoubtedly have to work with SotL/LoE when it comes to the crunch...

yes things could be better (one big alliance) but as fatgit said above, due to different opinions it just cant happen, lets just work with what we have and enjoy it.
 
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Krissy

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I have strong convicions (not criminal i asure u :p).

Im not angry or agreesive on the most part i just do agree that some ppl do play for themselfs and others for others, i do like to be part of a team its fun but i still beleive others fall under the middle ground.

I do beleive that "playing for urself" is some what wrong but ppl do pay there money and many more ppl than most would beleive do follow this.

The way i see it is we pay for the game so no one can judge the way others play it, wheater or not we agree its there money they are spending not ours.

I hold no grudges against anyone here, im posting as a very passive person (atm:p)
 
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Jupitus

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Quite a thread all in all.

Without getting too involved in debate on here, what I would point out is that there is no animosity between the Unity alliance and the LoE/SotL since their decision to leave. What alot of people may not even get to see is the fact that whenever the need arises there are a mixture of guilds and alliances quickly gathering in a chat group to coordinate accordingly, usually to good effect.

Clearly not everyone can be included in a chat group, so quite often this will not be apparent to all players, but most of the larger guilds/alliances GMs or officers seem to have a handle on what is going on without too much difficulty.

No need to panic, in my view ;)
 
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old.Bubble

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i agree that 1 big alliance would work but unity shouldn't be that alliance
my personly reason why-
1- Asend was never helpful even during big raids , the most i ever saw was Laird yelling HURRAH FOR US FOR WE WERE VICTORIOUS
i didn't notic loe was in an alliance until laird spamed :)

2- Alliance leader- this is not a dis to PL i have alot of friends in PL
but i believe SOTL or loe would be better leaders

3- LOE/SOTL legion hunts- at the moment the loot is split 50/50 fair
both guilds are happy with this, if we invited the whole of unity then loot would be chaos to be sorted out(remember loot chaos after dragon raid) 4 legion items drop if 12 major guilds atend some people are going to miss out

4- Tibor and tyrion - LOE is full of drunks :D

theres a few other things but i can't remember what i was talking about last night :)
 
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LunarDarkShadow

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This thread has meandered about skirting the issues, but basically ignoring one major thing...

The game mechanics at present would not allow us to have one big Alliance even if we wanted one, so can we please stop argueing about it?

People join different guilds becuase they have different ways of playing the game. Guilds join different alliances because they have different ways of playing the game.

the SotL/LoE alliance now reflects how those two guilds want to play their game. That's fine. They ARE self sufficient. They COULD pull off a relic raid alone if they chose to. They DONT need the rest of us. But, that's fine too.

The rest of Unity are now discovering some common ground with the other Alliances in Albion, which can only be a good thing.

Previously, some of the smaller guilds were left out in the cold somewhat when it came to RvR. Now perhaps, with close co-operation and the possibilities of merger starting to arise between the other Alliances, those guilds will be brought into something bigger and better than they had before. With no one guild claiming superiority over any other.

Yes, some guilds will be bigger than others, and some will have more level 50's and more realm points than others, but I'm afraid it's only time that gives you those things.

It's not talent really, or skill, which has been proved time and time again by level 50 accounts being sold over E-bay and them still being uber-gankers in RvR, even though a complete novice is behind the toon. All it takes to get a character to level 50 is time.

Most people at level 50 realise this, but there are a few arrogant people who think otherwise, and because some guilds have more level 50's they end up naturally with a few more arrogant players.

I have many friends in both SotL and LoE. They are both fine guilds, with huge RvR experience that the whole of Albion can draw lessons from, again from time spent in the borders with their guild groups. They have learnt strategies that work, and they have valuable experience that can help less experienced guilds do better.

I wish them well, and I am always glad to see a group of either running up behind me when we are outnumbered at the milegates or trying to take a keep. ;)

Peace, guys, eh?
 
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Jupitus

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/em gives the two ladies an odd look, but with a twinkle in his eye

;)
 
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kr0n

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It's not talent really, or skill, which has been proved time and time again by level 50 accounts being sold over E-bay and them still being uber-gankers in RvR, even though a complete novice is behind the toon. All it takes to get a character to level 50 is time.

Lies, Niar is gimped nowdays ;)
 
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Cavex ElSaviour

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Originally posted by Wicoa
Silver hood in my case thats totaly untrue....... I am with loe and they only let those who on merits and dedication use the /as chat....... If you're level 50 you don't inherently get this privilage. In fact only officers and a handle full of dedicated people are allowed /as at the moment most of us don't have the privilage. This is a good tactic as the command channel is clear for orders and important announcements which can be aired without interruption.

Why only to a handfull of players? we at the DoA - AoV alliance has chosen to give /as to all lvl 40+.
This is to get a group easier at the higher levels and to have fun. agreed that it will be ineffective if an alliance will grow to big, but thats the fun part of beeing part of a small alliance. giving the /as free to all 40+ certainly made the alliance stronger and more effective at raids and RvR.
 
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kr0n

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'cause we want to keep /as crapfree, only for RvR and joint events. EG Legion Raid/Relic Raid/Joint keep raids etc etc. Not for "Im lookin for L20 cleric to join me with my alt at Keltoi?" crap.
 
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old.Baritone

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Originally posted by kr0n
'cause we want to keep /as crapfree, only for RvR and joint events. EG Legion Raid/Relic Raid/Joint keep raids etc etc. Not for "Im lookin for L20 cleric to join me with my alt at Keltoi?" crap.

Well as a member of The Dragon Senate Layl we give all access to /as, Why? we trust our members to know when and when not to use /as, As im sure the rest of EC alliance members do.
 
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Jenkz

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surely it is not up to us to tell others how to run their alliances now?

as Lunar says lets leave it be, and as Jup says, all is not bad :)
 
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Generic Poster

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All is not bad, but enough is to consider improvement.

The game is set in a fantasy realm, but I don't live the fantasy of everything being fine and dandy, looking on with rose-tinted glasses.

Why do people insist the realm is funtioning enough as it is?


Originally posted by Jenkz
we already have an alliance of alliances? Unity work with EC who work with Templars/Knights who will undoubtedly have to work with SotL/LoE when it comes to the crunch...


And that's the point. When it's needed, the thumb drops from the proverbial anus, and takes to arms. And sneak in another, more relevant expression: A friend in need is a friend indeed.

This is seen all to often, when enough mids/hibs are seen in the frontier to pose a threat to the relics. The alarm goes out, from alliance to alliance and through every guild. So, yes. When defending, Albion does co-operate. There are issues even with this, which I'd rather not reveal on a public forum. Suffice to say, we only come together out of a desperate need.


If there is an 'alliance-of-alliances', give me proof!
And until our relic sits in Midgard, I will shit on everything you say.

How long has it been there?!
It doesn't matter that Midgard defiles our relic, in it's pagan rituals. It doesn't matter that they've held it for a very, very long time. Even the attack bonus they have, can be ignored. The total and undeniable humiliation comes to Albion from the fact that, we can take every relic in the relams with the slightest effort. All it needs is co-operation, all that needs is for thumbs to be removed from ... well, you know what.


If you alliance leaders are worthy of the name, do us proud before I start making some moves of my own. And when I move, Lurikeen DiEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! :mad

<Ahem>. Some people are offended when I roast lurikeen over an open fire, and chew on their sweet-tasting flesh. Don't make me live among people again, you won't like it when the smell of roasting lurikeen fills your noses.

And before you ask, they taste like hamsters.



Originally posted by Bubbles
i agree that 1 big alliance would work but unity shouldn't be that alliance
my personly reason why-

1- Asend was never helpful even during big raids , the most i ever saw was Laird yelling HURRAH FOR US FOR WE WERE VICTORIOUS
i didn't notic loe was in an alliance until laird spamed

Bubbles ol'girl. You have to follow-up with reasons after making bold statements like that. Why do you think one-alliance will work? What's wrong with the current system and how will that improve in a single alliance? There must be a reson for appointing loe/sotl as the leaders of the proposed alliance?

Surely something beyond having every guild in Albion walking in their shadow?
Something more creditable then having this 'happy' alliance where everyone follows and obeys the UberGuilds?
At least a reason for people to give up the merits of their current alliance(roleplaying, PvE use...etc), to join this UberUnion.

I see none, so enlighten me.


The purpose of /as in Unity was never to spam it with mindless dribble. If there was a situation, a chat-group was formed and all relevent business conducted within. I have no doubt Vayvasen was there and agreed with the rules, when they were initially discussed. If you had a problem with them, you should have seen him as opposed to bitching about them after leaving.

LoE frequented /as as much the next guild, so don't come with this 'underdog' crap. I knew things would change in Unity, soon after Jupitus stopped telling people to 'take it to the forums'. As pedantic as I used to think he was, I later appreciated his hard-stance on /as use. There were many pointless messages posted on /as, the least of them coming from Laird.

There comes a point when people should be made to realise, no one gives a fuck if you just solo'd a troll and won! least of all 100+ people listening in on /as!


Lastly, more then a few people are pissed at Lairds style of /as use. "If he calls me Kin one more time, I'll rip his tongue out!!!", "wtf! why is he calling me his battlesister!!!"... and similar comments will be heard from his audience.

I don't know... after hearing it so often it kinda grows on you. Hell, if he wants to say Fishmaidens instead of Mids, and Leafeaters instead of Hibs... let him!

For some bizzare reason, people do get upset. But I'd much rather hear from someone deeply into their role shouting: "This outrage of the Fishmaidens must not go unpunished! To arms kin!" as opposed to reading: "OMG! WTF! PWND!"


The latter is bullshit. If you post shit like that on my screen, I will hurt you, real bad.
 
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old.Plebo

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I don't think a large alliance will really work. Some of the guilds are quite small and join alliances so that they can get groups easier and organise little trips to Barfog, etc.

If we had a large alliance in the Realm then it will be difficult to sort out a trip to Barfog without potentially 100 people turning up and difficult to organise a group of alliance members without spamming hundreds of players. In fact, it may mean that guilds become more self-contained as they won't want to ask for anything in case they are accused of spamming.

Obviously there are also benefits to a single alliance - we can take advantage of SoTL/LoE experience and leadership and be more co-ordinated in attacks, but these are things we can do with our alliance leaders anyway.

Surely the best solution is to ensure that all alliance leaders have the names of the top people in all of the other alliances - perhaps even add them to their friends lists. If an emergency occurs, word can get around quickly using conventional sends. Then chat groups can be formed between the alliance leaders if necessary.
 
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Jupitus

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<reads... thinks.... begins to walk away.... thinks some more... posts>

Generic - PM me your character name sometime, eh? ;)

We looked at the one big alliance scenario and came up with enough negatives from people to pull away from the idea. Generic, when I say things are working ok, to clarify it is not wirh rose-tinted specs, and I too acknowledge that alot can be done to improve our offensive capabilities to bring them anywhere near our true potential.

Alliance of alliances? Or how about a consolidation of existing alliances? Certain political situations have prevented possibilities in this area for some time, but there may now be more scope for manoeveur... only time and hard work will tell. Suffice to say the wheels are turning and changes will happen in the coming days/weeks/months.

Jup the /asend Hitler? As you quite rightly said, Generic (who the f*** are you???:)) Vayasen agreed (as did all of the unity GMs) on a common policy for use of asend. Sure, when we organised raids we tried to do so using chat groups for the officers of the guilds involved... for those who would cry 'lets have it all on asend' need I remind you of the time when we attempted a simultaneous keep raid and found enemies waiting for us at 3 out of the 4 in numbers? The reason back then was one of security after a short series of leaks (I think finally traced to a SotL member who had left but still had access to their boards). Having a common policy for /asend is the single hardest thing to achieve across guilds (just ask Midgard how tough it can be and what problems it can cause) and my personal approach is to try to work it like modding a board - a little fun is no problem, with a gentle reminder if things start getting off track... no flaming allowed.

And Laird, yes, bless him. Not even level 50, so wtf is he doing telling me how to do it, eh?:rolleyes: 100% roleplay, mad merc of the clan MacGregor, and I challenge every one out there to point to someone more dedicated to their realms well-being than he is. Is it a little irritating? Doubtless it is to some out there, but I would also remind you that it was Laird's hard work and organisation that laid the foundation for our most recent relic successes. At level 20, Laird gave me a grey robe and cloak and told me to go to Yggdra BK. I was petrified, but he knew that by getting me out there I'd have to learn my way around. How many of you guys have /stuck Jup on raids over the past weeks and managed to end up at your target keep with little or no aggro? If more of us had Laird's boot kicking them out and about at 20, maybe more would know how to find Erasleigh on a dark night! ;)

/Salute Laird

There will not be a large single alliance in Albion, just as there is no more in Midgard, and I am glad for that because trying to squeeze so many different personalities and ideals into a single /asend channel would cause us more harm than good. There may well, however, be some rationalisation amongst like-minded guilds/alliances which could open the door to more offensive possibilities. We can only wait and see......

Jup.
 
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The Real Redi

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Jup brings up the point of knowing the frontier there, and im a massive protagonist in the cause to get people out and scouting from as early an age as possible (Redi started touring Pennines at about 15-20, as many probably know) and now i still meet 45+/50s who dont have a clue of the safest route to Eras or Hadrians wall...

The /as debate i think is a totally moot point, as the whole point of an alliance isnt to become a gang of buddies who like to chat, thats exactly what CGs are for. The point of the Albion Alliance would be to organise offense/defence of the realm and surrounding frontiers. In the Templars, the alliance channel is available to all of Knight Errant and above, but they cant post on it, only her it. Only the officers of us and the Griffons have the ability to post on the /as, and it works like a doozy. In fact, its so rarely used, i often forget its there.

It might be used to inform the other guild of your forces position, leading up to and entering the frontier, but CGs are quickly formed, and then the /as channel is free again... voila!

simple, painless, easy. Any important news can be seen by any who are 25+, allowing them time to consider/predict what response will be required, and start making moves to do it, to the point where Lord Ironhand, or Sir Lamont can give out some formal instructions on the /gu...

I dont see what the big fuss is about... most things call for /send, or a chat group, or just a group, leaving the officers of the guilds the Alliance channel to organise on, safe in the knowledge that any who are needed to help can see all this going on and prepare...
 
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Jenkz

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Originally posted by Generic Poster
All is not bad, but enough is to consider improvement.

Why do people insist the realm is funtioning enough as it is?

all i said was all is not bad - it could be a lot worse, be thankful for the fact that the alliances work together when needed imo.

How long has it been there?!
It doesn't matter that Midgard defiles our relic, in it's pagan rituals. It doesn't matter that they've held it for a very, very long time. Even the attack bonus they have, can be ignored. The total and undeniable humiliation comes to Albion from the fact that, we can take every relic in the relams with the slightest effort. All it needs is co-operation, all that needs is for thumbs to be removed from ... well, you know what.

i dont think we need one big alliance even for albion to be efficient at relic RvR. we can as you say take every relic if we want - we dont for many reasons i suspect, the fact that if we have 4/5/6 relics, the guard population is so small its not worth bothering, not to mention the power relic keep is not the easiest to defend due to its location. im sure there are many reasons as to why we are not going out everynight taking relics - i wouldnt put it down to the alliance situation as to the main reason.
 

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