albion classes is starting to be alot looolish

[Muh]

Originally posted by NeonBlue
aye garrote is very "end" heavy....hamstring i use alot

aye i know about the draw back of being a slash infil and the debuffs....hence why am still debating whether not to respec or not...

atleast you guys have a chioce

 

[NeonBlue]

Originally posted by Muh
atleast you guys have a chioce

true i suppose...ur specs arent easy....i use to have a lvl42 2handed critblade on excal...and i liked him....i loved the dmg he did on PA combo...but after that...coz of the swing speed...if i didnt kill my target on PA combo...8 times out fo 10 i died

 

[Shike]

muh, I cba to answer to your quote mate since you obviosly only care about your stealther in the 1st place anyway. I dont give a shit about stealthers anymore personally, I consider most of them pure garbage and lame cowards and leechers. So, no point in us discussing it further. Narrowminded is a word that spring to my mind when I read your posts though. Have a nice day.

Chretien.. nice /dismiss there lol

 

[mordia]

Originally posted by Muh
haha, you must be on crack!
shammy end buff is utterly crap!
it's on 1500 range, and it's conc based. Meaning if shammy gets killed in battle, he has to be rezzed, and rebuff whole group,
not just start end chant. So that's the stupidest point I've ever heard! buff if you'd rather put range on haste and spec af buff, fine by me..

No no no. Shaman end regen is the best one.

 

[Huntingtons]

Originally posted by Muh
Well, the af spec buff on the cleric is unique for alb, and having every infil,
scout and mincer with a buffbot have one, isnt actually help balancing the already
unbalanced stealth war. Same goes for druid haste.
And imo this is an issue to balance the fight between stealthers, since just about every stealther these days have a buffbot.

And as that friar pointed out that friar was the most balanced
class in the game, I dont think the having the spec af buff would
change that. My point is simply to nerf the alb/hib buffbot into line
with the mid one (from a stealther's point of view).
And before you all start to whine that buffbots shouldnt be taken
into consideration blah, blah. They should, that's the way mythic wants it (they make more money),
and from my personal experience in rvr, I meet 10 buffed stealthers for every unbuffed, so there is no point denying this fact.

And as for the different end regen of the three realms, i cant see why you want to trade your chants for the shammy style
end regen, there's seldom room for more then 1 shammy in a group, and speccing end to whole group blows half his conc pool,
leaving rest of group with 1 more spec buff each. And as for the issue about bard beeing messed, with todays purge, group purge, clear mezz, resists, etc, I see that as less of a problem then assist train ganking shammy, and he have to rebuff whole group mid fight after a rezz.

Keep in mind this is all from a solo stealthers point of view.
Now bring on the flames.

End regen for a infi would rock imo... the same as the af buff on our buff bot...

 

[Muh]

Originally posted by Huntingtons
End regen for a infi would rock imo... the same as the af buff on our buff bot...

the end regen buff has 1500 range, I dont see your af buff having that? please enlighten me

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by Muh
the end regen buff has 1500 range, I dont see your af buff having that? please enlighten me

No but our Endregen go that.

I dont see your PoM on 10min Timer or 1500range(or what ever minstrels range is )

 

[Muh]

Originally posted by Shike
muh, I cba to answer to your quote mate since you obviosly only care about your stealther in the 1st place anyway. I dont give a shit about stealthers anymore personally, I consider most of them pure garbage and lame cowards and leechers. So, no point in us discussing it further. Narrowminded is a word that spring to my mind when I read your posts though. Have a nice day.

Chretien.. nice /dismiss there lol

I stated pretty early that this was from a stealthers point of view.
They way I see it it's two battles beeing fought in daoc, it's the regular rvr, fg vs fg etc, and it's the stealther battles.

As someone posted earlier, mid might have the upper hand in regualr rvr, but when it comes to the stealther scene, things
are equally unbalanced, and if you fail to realize that, you're
the narrowminded.

 

[bigchief]

Originally posted by Muh
If you check some growt rate's you will see that the cs styles are
actually among the best choices an assasin have.
Garrote - AH as anytime is awesome (a little heavy on the end tho)
Hamstring chain has insane dmg and low end.
So what 50 thrust gives you is uber WS and a anytime 9 sec stun.
Not to mention the str/con debuff doesnt hurt your WS half
as much as sb/slash infil.

Alot of infs these days would rather be slash though Personally im one of them but being a sara and having no +str in starting stat I dont think its really worth the hassle. Sure DF can be a get out of jail free card but bear in mind you do wear thrust resistant armour so a thrust infil needs something up their sleeve to get comparable damage over time to a slash infil.

You can debate about slash infs being overpowered but I still see them lose 1v1 fights with a SB so its not as one sided as some people make out. Tbh if I didnt have DF I wouldnt kill much, im quite often 2v1 or more and if I cant remove that 2nd person hitting me for 9secs theres no chance of me killing one

Give slash damage and DF then id consider it overpowered

[edit]btw .. 350dex, dodger 2, evade 7. Quite often wont evade when fighting a LA SB .. especially if theres a m8 of his there too
[/edit]

 

[Muh]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
No but our Endregen go that.

I dont see your PoM on 10min Timer or 1500range(or what ever minstrels range is )

So does our end regen. And as for the PoM, that's a valid point, but from my assasin point of view, the af buff poses a much
lager difference. Permanent AP1.4 I belive I read somewhere.

 

[NeonBlue]

Originally posted by Muh
I stated pretty early that this was from a stealthers point of view.
They way I see it it's two battles beeing fought in daoc, it's the regular rvr, fg vs fg etc, and it's the stealther battles.

As someone posted earlier, mid might have the upper hand in regualr rvr, but when it comes to the stealther scene, things
are equally unbalanced, and if you fail to realize that, you're
the narrowminded.

hmmm besides the obvious infils having 2.5spec points and DF...what makes the infil seem too overpowered...because i just cant see it...both Sbs & Ns ive met have always put up a good fight and hurt...so to me...things are balanced except maybe for the number of infils about

 

[bigchief]

Originally posted by NeonBlue
hmmm besides the obvious infils having 2.5spec points and DF...what makes the infil seem too overpowered...because i just cant see it...both Sbs & Ns ive met have always put up a good fight and hurt...so to me...things are balanced except maybe for the number of infils about

Minstrels

I utterly agree with all mid/hib whine regarding them.

 

[NeonBlue]

Originally posted by bigchief
Minstrels

I utterly agree with all mid/hib whine regarding them.

hmm i wasnt taking any other class into account..just trying to think on infils...but yes i can see the points to the whines on mincers...but then again u could whine about any class really...and ppl do

 

[Muh]

Originally posted by NeonBlue
hmmm besides the obvious infils having 2.5spec points and DF...what makes the infil seem too overpowered...because i just cant see it...both Sbs & Ns ive met have always put up a good fight and hurt...so to me...things are balanced except maybe for the number of infils about

the way i see it, it's the following things that gives
the infil the upper hand against the sb.

2.5 spec points - can get "everything" without any sacrifice
df - "anytime" 9 sec stun
vanish - it's like a insta win button every 30 min
slash - possibilty to spec dmg type or armor is weak to

As bigchief pointed out our armor is resistant to thrust. But
when every infil run around with permantent AP1.4 i find
myself hitting for around 100 on them (enervated as I always am).
When they hit me for around 150, often both mainhand and offhand. The times Im lucky is when they df me in the beggining
of the fight, so I can purge both debuff and stun, then it's a fair game.

When these are the advantages infils have, you can argue
that sb has slightly more HP, and the chance to wield a 2h weapon. The HP is a valid point, but 2h is more or less worthless.

My conclution is that it's df that's the tipping factor, it's wrong
to have to relay on purge against every other infil. So if they
put df second in chain off evade. And maybe gave sb's the oportunity to spec hammer i.e which would be str/dex based,
and infils/ns having resistant armor against. And make LA mechanics work more like dw/cd, I would be a happy sb.

 

[NeonBlue]

Originally posted by Muh
the way i see it, it's the following things that gives
the infil the upper hand against the sb.

2.5 spec points - can get "everything" without any sacrifice
df - "anytime" 9 sec stun
vanish - it's like a insta win button every 30 min
slash - possibilty to spec dmg type or armor is weak to

As bigchief pointed out our armor is resistant to thrust. But
when every infil run around with permantent AP1.4 i find
myself hitting for around 100 on them (enervated as I always am).
When they hit me for around 150, often both mainhand and offhand. The times Im lucky is when they df me in the beggining
of the fight, so I can purge both debuff and stun, then it's a fair game.

When these are the advantages infils have, you can argue
that sb has slightly more HP, and the chance to wield a 2h weapon. The HP is a valid point, but 2h is more or less worthless.

My conclution is that it's df that's the tipping factor, it's wrong
to have to relay on purge against every other infil. So if they
put df second in chain off evade. And maybe gave sb's the oportunity to spec hammer i.e which would be str/dex based,
and infils/ns having resistant armor against. And make LA mechanics work more like dw/cd, I would be a happy sb.

hmmm fair points...but as it is..u usually beat me most times anyways...so ur not suffering that bad

 

[Muh]

Originally posted by NeonBlue
hmmm fair points...but as it is..u usually beat me most times anyways...so ur not suffering that bad

but then again im fairly high rr and buffed to the tits

 

[bigchief]

Originally posted by Muh
but then again im fairly high rr and buffed to the tits

To lead from that to your point about AP1.4

Not all infs have a BB that high with mota etc so to say all infs have it isnt true. They have the possibility to have it but in reality you have no way of knowing who does and who doesnt from your side of the fence

And yes, you kill lower RR infs as easily as I kill lower RR shades. As it should be I suppose, and you give me a good fight then few times Ive met you (were ~equal RR i believe). Its not as onesided as people think.

And for Neonblue

Infil duo vs SB duo is balanced usually.

Infil/mincer duo vs Sb duo isnt. Not even by a long way

 

[NeonBlue]

Originally posted by bigchief
And for Neonblue

Infil duo vs SB duo is balanced usually.

Infil/mincer duo vs Sb duo isnt. Not even by a long way

aye i know...as i normally duo with a mincer...only way i can survive the Sbs zergs i come across or at least have a chance

 

[cleeve]

Originally posted by lepra
1. merc is overpowrd . 2 dirty tricks works very well in RvR imo.
3. ministrel need to loose chain and IP if that gonna be a ok class.

skald is not even near a ministrel.


Na this game starts to look like albs is mythics little baby.
Really need to fix the classes. Ns need boost SB need boost .. Infil need nerf. or just give SB/NS 2.5 spec points also.

cant understand why they should have more.

lol.

Only thing vaguely balanced there is the SB/NS issue, which i am sure will be resolved soon. As regards mercs and mincers - no chance m8. They're pretty balanced nice classes imo

C

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by bigchief
Cylian is always a good fight (ok hes also v high RR)
I want to say Szakal but i have never met him 1v1 except in df where hes buffed and im not so I cant comment on him.
Cepheus
Aldoran
Marath
Inquity
Zil
Muh
Punster perhaps ..

neonblue mentioned Throat who most albs choose to be their definition of a gimpblade so hes certainly not on my list

I know the spec's of some of those there , think most of em are spec'd like me , or danm close , 44 axe 39 LA 34 CS , 32 stealth and rest envenom , Aldoran is more or less SZ if I remeber correct , Cylian is very close to my spec or a similar variation on Bile's spec..but still I get out dmg'd by most infil's..

I see them hit me for 200-250 with there mainhand with regular styled hit's , and im strugling to break 145 dmg , and yes thats buffed. I'm not saying I dont win fights , because I do , but it not even close to 50/50 against equaly buffed and RR opponents .

I will be happy to perform some dmg test's if you dont belive me , just pm me , and we can figure something out

 

[NeonBlue]

Originally posted by Damon_D
I know the spec's of some of those there , think most of em are spec'd like me , or danm close , 44 axe 39 LA 34 CS , 32 stealth and rest envenom , Aldoran is more or less SZ if I remeber correct , Cylian is very close to my spec or a similar variation on Bile's spec..but still I get out dmg'd by most infil's..

I see them hit me for 200-250 with there mainhand with regular styled hit's , and im strugling to break 145 dmg , and yes thats buffed. I'm not saying I dont win fights , because I do , but it not even close to 50/50 against equaly buffed and RR opponents .

I will be happy to perform some dmg test's if you dont belive me , just pm me , and we can figure something out

these guys what are hitting you for 200-250 with mainhand using regular styles...u sure these aint slash or mercinfils...because my thrust infil gets nowhere near that dmg...am like u am struggling to get more than 150dmg and thats using garrote.

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by Damon_D
I know the spec's of some of those there , think most of em are spec'd like me , or danm close , 44 axe 39 LA 34 CS , 32 stealth and rest envenom , Aldoran is more or less SZ if I remeber correct , Cylian is very close to my spec or a similar variation on Bile's spec..but still I get out dmg'd by most infil's..

I see them hit me for 200-250 with there mainhand with regular styled hit's , and im strugling to break 145 dmg , and yes thats buffed. I'm not saying I dont win fights , because I do , but it not even close to 50/50 against equaly buffed and RR opponents .

I will be happy to perform some dmg test's if you dont belive me , just pm me , and we can figure something out

are you sure those are not mercs ? =D

 

[gwal]

Originally posted by bigchief


You can debate about slash infs being overpowered but I still see them lose 1v1 fights with a SB so its not as one sided as some people make out. Tbh if I didnt have DF I wouldnt kill much, im quite often 2v1 or more and if I cant remove that 2nd person hitting me for 9secs theres no chance of me killing one

u saying that only adds to the "nerf infils" point. complaining u cant kill one in a 2 vs 1 fight if they remove ur DF is just stupid, and shows infils are too powerfull compared to SB´s atm.

u just owned urself, gratz...

 

[zapzap]

Originally posted by gwal
u saying that only adds to the "nerf infils" point. complaining u cant kill one in a 2 vs 1 fight if they remove ur DF is just stupid, and shows infils are too powerfull compared to SB´s atm.

u just owned urself, gratz...

Nice 1

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Originally posted by NeonBlue
am like u am struggling to get more than 150dmg and thats using garrote.

realy? I struggle to hit for more then 110 with garrote when buffed...and thats is with mainhand, lets not talk about the offhand dmg.

 

[bigchief]

Originally posted by gwal
u saying that only adds to the "nerf infils" point. complaining u cant kill one in a 2 vs 1 fight if they remove ur DF is just stupid, and shows infils are too powerfull compared to SB´s atm.

u just owned urself, gratz...

But if a NS can do it its ok and you wont whine? Just ask Balthasar what happens when hes 2v1 vs an inf/sb duo. A SB is probably the only class that cant get a kill 2v1 unless it lands a very heavy PA. Saying its just infs that can kill half of a duo is bs.

And thats dependant on landing DF in time (ie early), it not being purged, the other guy attacking you not hitting too hard, you doing alot of damage to the other guy etc. Bear in mind evade is effected by DW and number of attackers. 2 x DW'ers = a distinct lack of evades normally.

A NS just presses AP. But you dont whinge about that do you.

Why dont you just sod off back to excal and leave us in some peace?

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by NeonBlue
these guys what are hitting you for 200-250 with mainhand using regular styles...u sure these aint slash or mercinfils...because my thrust infil gets nowhere near that dmg...am like u am struggling to get more than 150dmg and thats using garrote.

Well I would say slash infil's will hit me for around 250 and upward ,and thrust infils from 175-200+ , both dmg ranges I cant even dream off.. How they spec'd I dont know..I just know they have a hell of alot more options than I have, because I dont have as many spec points , or the choise of dmg.

When I say I'm struggling I mean I might be lucky and get 150 on 1 in 20 hit's , the rest is more like 110-120 , and thats fully buffed ( 47 aug mota 3 )

Show me an infil that does that low dmg against an sb when buffed by such a bot.....

 

[old.windforce]

i do crap damage with my inf, i do it fast though. Usually something like 120 on the garotte. I use 2,9 speed longdirks (50+14 thrust, 39 + 14 CS). Dragonfang usually for 140-160

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by old.windforce
i do crap damage with my inf, i do it fast though. Usually something like 120 on the garotte. I use 2,9 speed longdirks (50+14 thrust, 39 + 14 CS). Dragonfang usually for 140-160

suppose that's unbuffed ?

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by old.windforce
i do crap damage with my inf, i do it fast though. Usually something like 120 on the garotte. I use 2,9 speed longdirks (50+14 thrust, 39 + 14 CS). Dragonfang usually for 140-160

If you're using spd 2.9 longdirks as RR5 infiltrator buffed you're gimping yourselves because you're swingspeed is under cap and thus gets capped artificially.

Using 2x spd2.9 weapons on a dualwielder with high quickness (which an infiltrator has) is gimping yourselves.