Ahhhh stop the snipers

[CliffyG]

I've never come across a game where so many people want to be snipers. Was playing a bit of TDM on the preview servers and no matter what the map 90% of people are using snipers. On one of the maps (can't remember the map name but it's where you have 3 demolished buildings with a trench connecting 2 of them) it wasn't even really suited to snipers, well more than a couple anyway but 6 out of 10 on my team were sat on the roof sniping and the rest were hiding in the windows sniping aswell . Takes the fun out of an otherwise very good game when you get shot the instant you show a milimetre of flesh. Sniping is so easy to do that anyone can and does do it.

Any chance of a sniper free server?

 

[doh_boy]

it's been said before

Hopefully when they've figured out how (if it is possible).

 

[CliffyG]

Originally posted by doh_boy
it's been said before

Hopefully when they've figured out how (if it is possible).

Hmm dunno how i managed to miss that . Oh well it's worth saying again anyway .

 

[mike-c]

There is a mod out to limit the number of snipers, but, I'm not going to request it's added for a couple of reasons.

You may end up in a position where less able people "hog" the sniper rifles, thus not allowing the decent people to use them. This will result in the good players getting annoying and therefore not having fun. You should be entitled to use any weapon you wish imo.

Secondly, and perhaps more important, InfinityWizard are planning changes to the sniper rifle in the upcoming patch. Considering how new the game is it's only expected that they will have to fix a few things (I believe they are changing the aiming/damage while standing etc.. making it more of a specialist weapons)

 

[CliffyG]

Still not going to make every man and his dog use one, and considering that most snipers never even move the change to aiming while standing isn't going to make any difference.

As to annoying the good snipers what about annoying every other player who'd rather not use a sniper rifle? It's getting to the point now where im just going to play on servers where snipers are banned. The search and destroy server was OK but there's never anyone on it anymore.

 

[mike-c]

I used the standing as an example, no firm details have been released yet, but I gather than it will be generally harder to use.

The general consensus in the other thread was that people would prefer snipers enabled than completely disabled.

We will wait for the patch, see if the situation improves, and then if it is still an issue jbp & myself will discuss the possibilities of adding a limiting mod.

I don't think a plain limit on the numbers is a great idea, perhaps if someone made a mod that let you have a sniper for x minutes, or 1 round, or 1 map... just so everyone gets a look in, just not all at once.

 

[Chameleon]

Originally posted by CliffyG
The search and destroy server was OK but there's never anyone on it anymore.

That's cos it's not preview any more. The preview servers are BEL and TDM now. They are still used, as is nearly every COD server that's out there, but S&D is the popular mode. It's a shame.

 

[mike-c]

You are more than welcome to use the subs servers, they are not off-limits...

Be sure to attend the subs only Community Game every Monday, and let all your subscriber friends know.

There's a good chance a number of people from a clan will turn up. If a couple more people were to get their teammates/friends together we could have some great games.

It doesn't have to be limited to mondays, that's just an organised event. If some sort of clan-teamup was done then I'm sure we could get games most nights.

 

[CliffyG]

OK fair enough, will wait with baited breath for the sniper nerf then .

 

[Malfius]

I have noticed that you tend to get more snipers on the defending team than the assaulting team, and after a while you get to know the good sniper spots and just grenade spam them Works for me.
It all depends on the map i think, but a co-ordinated team will always beat the best snipers

 

[TedTheDog]

Just had a game on a clan server (game) and they were spamming "campers will not be tolerated" via rcon yet half the bloody clan had sniper rifles and we're camping.
I did ask how do you define camping in a game with sniper rifles but their considered answer was to tell me to shut the fuck up.
Mind, you, at least they didnt kick me.

Then they called me a n00b and said they'd had it from the moment deviance released it.
Such nice people.

Dave, can I have me job back just for a few mins so I can zap the cocksuckers? gwan, gis....

 

[PR.]

Snipping is great!

I play Team Deathmatch and its great fun on Hurtgen or Pavlov

 

[TedTheDog]

I quite agree. Sniping in this game works very well. Its a big part of the game and its fun too.
It was irritating as it was search and destroy and they were complaining about the only surviving yank who'd just planted the bomb watching over it with a sniper rifle. They seriously expected him to then run around with a sniper rifle looking for the 3 remaining bad guys.
Fuckwits dont even know what camping is.

Kids with rcon. Just say no.

 

[throdgrain]

It is true that there are a lot of wild "camping" accusations floating about
I pointed out on a server yesterday that if you're defending (I only play s & d really btw) you can't really be accused of camping at all, however if you're attacking and sit right at the back with a sniper rifle and dont move for the whole 5 minutes regardless of the situation then you ARE camping.
I didnt even get banned either , which was a suprise

 

[TedTheDog]

Heh, yeah. I reckon i wasnt banned/kicked as they kids couldnt use rcon properly. The number of messages they sent that started with "rcon" was hilarious.

But I agree, defence = "camping" in many many games. In BF1942 I often "camp" an objective to stop the other side taking it back.
Been accused of camping there too. In other words, they actually want me to go away from the objective. "Only if you promise not to go near it either".

 

[Deadmanwalking]

rcon i think is all stems from the mortal fear of not being able to see the person you are attacking/stalking.

rcon I can understand if say 2 snipers were left and they just sat there in their spots forever never moving, as a spec on any game this sort of thing annoys the hell outta me.

rcon Saying that most people dont have the intelligence to just defend the objective and not have to go running off to find the last enemy, who will most likely be a sniper waiting for them to do this

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Well - I am not that "afraid" of snipers anymore as I used to be.

Knowing where the popular sniper spots are helps, too.
And most of the sniper wtfpwn n00bs wait until you are standing before they shoot.

So I don't stop buzzing around like a maniac on acid.

 

[bunn]

Always reminds me of a small rhymne we used to chant when there were loads of snipers on a TFC map.

'I'm a sniper, I point and click'
'I have no skills, I'm just a dick'

Although sniping can be fun in single player, it's very dull in multiplayer. Everyone hiding, no one making a move for the objectives.

One game I joined I noticed everyone was waiting for everyone else to move. No one did and nothing happened for 15 minutes. I ran off with another guy (no not behind a bush, perverts) and found 5 people just sitting inside bushes sniping. IT WAS SEARCH AND DESTROY FFS, and they were ment to be attacking.

Thankfully snipers can be turned off.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Huertgen, oh sniperfest. Once you make it to the enemy's rear (hum hum...) without getting picked off, it's easy to just run and kill the 90% snipers.

Club them to death... then taunt... teh fun...

 

[doh_boy]

So far I've found mp_depot the best so far even if the british guns you're given are pish. BAR is my favourite so far.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Depot is still full of snipers (water tower, roofs).
And heck - the Bren gun does major ouchies... it's the german guns that need love ffs. Like, for example, a portable 88?

Both the french cities and mp_harbor are quite a bad place for snipers. I guess that's why all the point'n'click cry babies always cast a next map vote...

 

[EntropicLqd]

Snipers don't bother me. You just have to look, look, and look again. To be honest I find it more irritating when sniper rifles are banned from a server - just seems "wrong" somehow.

Still, give it time for things to settle down and you'll see more of a mix of weapons as people get the hang of the gametypes.

I'm no fan of round based games though - I wish they'd included a respawn every 60 or 120 seconds. Especially on the S&D and Retrieval gametypes.

 

[throdgrain]

I disagree with that Im afraid, to me respawn makes the whole thing pointless.
Theres little to actually do in the game anyway.
TDM = kill as many people as you can
DM= the same
S&D = plant the bomb and stop it being defused. Except theres no incentive to plant the bomb at all, if it goes off or is defused you dont get any extra points or anything, hence a camping axis against 3 allies who just planted the bomb has no need to get up to defuse, he may as well just sit there and stroke his score card

 

[TheRogue]

I doubt much nerfing will go on in the upcoming patch, the game would of been out a month by the time it does, so do you really they will bother to change that match gameplay?

I bet they don't, and the reason they are slow to release the patch was so they don't have to bother changing the default gameplay, and can use the above reason as why they didn't

 

[throdgrain]

No, indeed I agree I doubt they will change the gameplay. I was just pointing out that, to me , it seems flawed.
Having said that quite a lot of people play MoH and stuff, which often uses the same kind of rules, so I suppose it will appeal to some people.
However when you consider that , according to Gamespy anyway, there are 32202 people playing Counter-Strike this moring, as opposed to 3073 playing all the combined versions of Medal Of Honour , you can see which is more popular.
Im not silly enough to think that's just because of the objectives being better in CS, theres lots of variables, but I bet it has something to do with it.
Incidentally, there seems to be 1645 people playing Call Of Duty at the same time.

 

[leggy]

Am with throd here. The gameplay and objectives are seriously flawed.

Respawning in BEL is a complete farse and as a result I don't play it. Retrieval is that old favourite CTF but it adds nothing to a dated multiplayer game. s & d could have been a lot better imo, for all the reasons throd mentioned. making it exactly like CS would be a mistake but the attcking team has to have some incentive for destroying the targets, otherwise it's pointless.

tdm and dm are just a waste of everyones time.

 

[Will]

Retrieval and Search & Destroy, the point is to win the round, not your individual score. They are aimed at teamplay and clan matches, while TDM and BEL are aimed at public play. Though personally, I much prefer playing the former pair.

They have said that, in the patch, they are going to look at the gameplay balance, and that the probable changes will be a delay in the sniper scope, and some way of cutting down on grenade spam. Whcih sounds like a pair of good things to me.

 

[throdgrain]

Yes Will, but my point is with the set up as it is, theres no reward for planting / defusing, hence not many people bother to do it, prefering just to look after thier kill/death ratio.
Niether can I believe that R&D is purely for clan play, as the servers Ive been on seem pretty well populated .I do appreciate that tdm etc does have its play for the casual or passing gamer, but its just not for me