About the 2 Relic raids i KINDA leaded

[Kagato]

Please correct me if Im wrong but are you saying that the boltrange mez is irrelevant in largescale battles because of siege equipment?

and there are quite a few good albclasses that are not 'one trick ponies' dontcha think? sorc being damagedealer and main mezzer for example, and thurg being damagedealer and interupter.

And bard being healer, buffer, cc, end regen, interrupt and speed 5.... your point?

Only class we have that can come close to comparing for utility is the minstrel with back up cc, speed 5 and interrupt potential, the rest of their tricks being more valuble to solo with.

As for the longer range mezz, yes thats what im saying, in a keep fight mezz is merely an annoyance broken in seconds, or less with 5 minute purge timer now, long range damage is more important. Only time long range mezz matters is when one side finally decides to charge the keep or out of the keep and even then its hardly noticed.

In open field RvR yes it might help but then again it still usually lost out to instant mezz in old RvR zones.

 

[poky]

And bard being healer, buffer, cc, end regen, interrupt and speed 5.... your point?

Only class we have that can come close to comparing for utility is the minstrel with back up cc, speed 5 and interrupt potential, the rest of their tricks being more valuble to solo with.

As for the longer range mezz, yes thats what im saying, in a keep fight mezz is merely an annoyance broken in seconds, or less with 5 minute purge timer now, long range damage is more important. Only time long range mezz matters is when one side finally decides to charge the keep or out of the keep and even then its hardly noticed.

In open field RvR yes it might help but then again it still usually lost out to instant mezz in old RvR zones.

I wasnt comparing uility.

You said alb classes were 'one trick ponies', I gave examples of good alb classes that wasnt, thus proving you wrong.

And no, siegeweapons are not as effective interupters as castedspells, so boltrange mez is an issue, just like the added scoutrange is.

 

[Ketinna]

Loss is a bitter pill to swallow, no? Alb's got relics they worked for, big deal if they zerged to get it, how else to do you expect to take a relic - with a poodle? Knock on the relic doors and ask for the relic nicely? Alb's took them fair and square - end of story.

you use the same concept in soccer needled!ck?

 

[Khartoum]

look here mister alb.

there are 2 different things now; pre-NF, and NF.

pre-NF albs had a HUGE disadvantage in not having any relics. the top alb groups still had quite a bit success however, mostly because of the class known as theurgist.

and now all the bad boys, meanie hib and mid elitists running GGs farming warders!!!.. have QUIT. so if you want revenge, you'd better go and visit them all IRL, so that you can shout 'TAKE THAT OVERPOWERED NOOB' in their faces.

however, this is NF

most hibs that are rvr'ing now, are the ones that were least active in emain pre-NF. casual gamers who occasionally went odin's to try out their class. these are the people now involved in rvr. these people are mostly low-RR, and unexperienced to the other realms capacitys in rvr. these are the people that will get overwhelmed and zerged to bits by 3x albs with all relics. does that makes you feel good? do you feel skilled? paybacktime?

stupid people who cant see the whole picture. stop playing and go read a book.

I'm not sure what to say except that you should seek the aid of a speech/communication therapist, because nothing you say makes any point or relevancy in regards to my post towards you. As an answer to me it's just empty rhetoric and nothing more - the sentence "stor jävla floskel" sums it up pretty well. I'm not sure what kind of thorn you have in your eye, but I for one haven't complained about hibs nor mids being quote "overpowered noobs" just for having the relics, nor did I exclaim that it is now quote "payback time", but if you feel better after blowing off some steam by imagining me as an extatic and delirious moron cheering over the relics then I'm ok with that if it makes you happy. My only guess is that these are the first and prejudice thoughts that come into your grumpy little gutter-mind when being pissed about us taking the relics now. It says more about how you feel than what you imagine me to feel, don't you think? Is it you or me who is keen on revenge? I can assure you it's not me...

There is also one difference you miss when making a stupid statement like that; We did not whine during YOUR possesion of the relics, but you whine on us having them now, and that itself contradicts the little sense contained in your inconsequent post. Try direct your post as an answer to someone else. Nice talking to you, bye bye!

 

[Ketinna]

not all run with 4fg......

albs do it on daily basis, thats all that matters

 

[Ketinna]

I bet it was jolly fun to be the realm on top when you had power relics for 1 year+, but now all of the sudden when the tide turned it's just baby-cries and whine. You certainly had nothing to complain about when hibs had the pow-relics, so I guess you are the kind of boy who think all is ok when things are to YOUR favour and when that advantage turn you don't have enough spine or sense of sport to try fight back - you just feel irritated. Quit the game is my advice, when something supposed to be fun leads to negative feelings you know you took a wrong turn somewhere.

Simple little hipocrit..

still, they didnt zerg their way to get relic, no matter what you say

 

[Khartoum]

still, they didnt zerg their way to get relic, no matter what you say

I can't see the point you are trying to make, since I never mentioned anything good or bad about zerging for relics, or even zergs at all. I for one don't think it matters how the ownership of the relics change.

 

[Nicci]

Isn't it funny that the 2 realms who held 3 relics each for as long as most players can remember are now suddenly spitting the dummy because Albs who have had 0 relics for so long now can suddenly compete?

And its suddenly Albions fault we have more players? did we press gang the new gamers into joining this realm? did we put guns to their heads and make them roll alb? No they joined the realm that appealed to them and I have no sympathy for the fotm noobs who all rerolled hib and mid just so they can get the latest overpowered classes, well I hope your enjoying your fotm wtf own classes now twats

But to the enemies with the common decency to recognise effort, well done, I look forward to more sieges against you.

 

[Ketinna]

And bard being healer, buffer, cc, end regen, interrupt and speed 5.... your point?

any bard who has any heal whatsoever on qbar here?
let me know if so because im having trouble understanding why 1 heal of 200-300 is better than interrupting 1-5 casters with castable mess.
and for the buffing stuff, who needs more than 1 baser in the group?, warden isnt enough?

oh and the famous end regen in hib, its known to be the best yes?

your point?

 

[sorre]

lol danya - u saying hibs have skill and allother realms lack of it - and alb only have numbers - like pbaoe box is skill - haha

 

[Mindgimp]

@ vinters

ok you're just a high-sounding loud mouth with alot of blabla but no sense in it
let me sum up 2 facts and the course of change for you to make things easier for your kindergarden-intellect

1) you had relics, mid had relics. albs fought. you didn't complain.
2) we took relics. you don't fight, but you start to complain.

all of the sudden you don't "frag" as easy as before, a bit of challenge arrives, and that makes US idiots? you complain and moan like a spineless amoeba instead of showing some honour and vigour by fighting back, and that makes US idiots?

you make about as little sense as the morons who claim that just clicking the graal instead of the tree or hammer when starting this game for the first time automatically makes a person a stupid zerger who can not play in a more sophisticated manner. i think the moron here who don't see the bigger picture is you, because you appear to think about as far as your nose reaches and that's to what you and your FGH manages depending on relics. go play with your legos or something instead of being angry on what other players do in a game

uke:

 

[Dargir]

Grats on elite zerging skills.
You deserve the relics with the numbers you got.

 

[Lireihuan]

bf claimed nottmoor since tuesday, asylum claimed bleedmeer since thursday.
that didn't ring any bell to mids before albion actually did the relic raid...?
every realms have the number to take 1 keep. u just need good organise.
so stop crying about albions number at milegate and on relic pad. if mids having a relic raid i am sure that tons of mids will show up too.
if u had the number of mids that came to rescue the relic today to take nottmoor or bleedmeer back, u wouldn't lose relic today.
sorry for ur loss but you have to suffer untill u care to do something to take it back

 

[vintervargen]

pre-NF

• albs had no relics
• albs zerged
• albs had a few rvr guilds
  
• mids had str relics
• mids had many rvr guilds
• mids ran melee groups
  
• hibs had power relics
• hibs had many rvr guilds
• hibs ran both melee and caster groups
  
• albs had a zerg in emain every day
• mids had a zerg in emain a few times each week
• hibs seldom had a zerg in emain
  
• alb stealthers were all over emain, adding on fights when they could

the only reason mid and hib rvr guilds went to emain where the alb CG ruled, were relics. handling adds, both stealther and non-stealther, was doable thanks to those relics. if albs would had all relics, the population of hibs and mids who went emain would have decreased drastically.

NF

there are no high RR guildgroups, nor setgroups that are playing atm. its zerg vs zerg, or as you wish to call it: realm versus realm. albs have the highest population, most relics, and are superior in range advantage. albs have more experience with zerging then the other realms. now, if you cannot draw any conclusions of this, i couldnt care less. but this was my point.

 

[Lireihuan]

the reason albion couldn't take the relic at pre-nf was because albion sux at siege and anti-siege even with large numbers.
as u said if albion had all relics at pre-NF, mids and hibs wouldn't disapear from emain but taking relic back in 1 or 2 days.

 

[Yaemon]

I still think you're giving the relics to much cred Vinter. In OF it was easier to pick your fights. Now thats impossible because the fights are always located at a certain keep. And when fights are located at one ore a few keeps and visible to all realms the biggest zerg will win (Alb). Hibs can choose to be farmed or quit playing.

Old daoc is dead. If you dont like the new one, quit. Albs will not change and run with smaller numbers just because we have fewer players in our realm, and why should they. Its all up to the game developers. With NF Mythic has shown us the way they want this game to be played, not that much to do about it really.

 

[Lireihuan]

i had fun in old frontier, i never consider quiting just because albion were underpowered.
i hope other realm wouldn't quit just because they think they are underpower now.
it's not about relic at all, it's about being an good player that always has faith.

 

[reggie]

I think one thing that must not be forgotten is no matter who organized what, and organizing is hard so gratz on that and alb has been focussed on working towards relic take for days (only i must admit i didnt pay to much attention to it (as prob many hibs) till albs amost had glenlock), is that usa daoc mostly have the same problem being albs get relics and they get them fast due to numbers and ranged advantage.Mostly within weeks.

There's a reason mythic made new patches to give underpopulated/shorter range realms more of a chance to compete in nf. And i think that is why the dissapointment of midgard because its known already from nf experience in the usa that numbers means you win. Alot of servers there have the same problem with albs dominating completely within weeks time after NF was released there.

It doesnt matter if this time numbers won or not. Eventually numbers will win.Thats the weakness of NF.

Thats all not albs fault coz they are just enjoying rvr like other realms are also but its the fault of bad design of nf.

Simple fact is that the map in nf makes zerging chokepoints very easy. All you have to do is check map and see where the fights are and then head that direction. This is where numbers count plus ranged advantage that will make the difference to big for mids.

Add in all the siege and no matter how well defended a keep/tower is if they cant charge out coz of being outnumbered they will loose since siege equipment (plus more ranged attacks) is very efficient at keep/tower taking.

I've only started playing nf again since 4 days and i've seen plenty of albs all over the place but hardly any mids anywhere. I saw them fight on the map in midgard but thats it and occasionally came across a duo of mids or saw a fg pass by in midgard. Still with all that fighting going on in midgard i stilll saw plenty albs all over. Hell even at beno tower we took today and held for an hour or 2 we faced about 60 albs or more while mids were trying to take back glenlock and failed coz there were to many albs there. Thats alot of albs.

 

[Kagato]

I wasnt comparing uility.

You said alb classes were 'one trick ponies', I gave examples of good alb classes that wasnt, thus proving you wrong.

And no, siegeweapons are not as effective interupters as castedspells, so boltrange mez is an issue, just like the added scoutrange is.

Utility and the amount of 'tricks' is the same thing, your ignorance of my point is overwhelming but if you want to delude yourself into thinking your hard done by go right ahead.

As for siege weapons I did not even mention there possibilities for interupting, only the way they break any mezz that the sorc or any realms CC casts into the fray, thus CC is not a big issue in a long term siege.

 

[Kagato]

any bard who has any heal whatsoever on qbar here?
let me know if so because im having trouble understanding why 1 heal of 200-300 is better than interrupting 1-5 casters with castable mess.
and for the buffing stuff, who needs more than 1 baser in the group?, warden isnt enough?

oh and the famous end regen in hib, its known to be the best yes?

your point?

You have amnesia for interrupting yourself, and you have the heals if you don't choose to use them thats your problem i've seen plenty of annoying bards kiting then back-up healing, and those back up heals are every bit as good as a friars back up heal which is all the back up heals albion gets.

And the fact that you have both wardens and bards key to your group capable of base buffing only strengthens my point of how albion classes suffer from potential usefulness, thankyou for reminding me of that point.

And please show me seeing as your in such a pedantic and picky mood where I claimed hib end regen was the best? I don't remember seeing that written anywhere in any of my posts I just pointed out that you get it on the same class that has about half to 2/3rds of the key abilities required in an effective group already.

 

[Chiefthunder]

You have amnesia for interrupting yourself, and you have the heals if you don't choose to use them thats your problem i've seen plenty of annoying bards kiting then back-up healing, and those back up heals are every bit as good as a friars back up heal which is all the back up heals albion gets.

And the fact that you have both wardens and bards key to your group capable of base buffing only strengthens my point of how albion classes suffer from potential usefulness, thankyou for reminding me of that point.

And please show me seeing as your in such a pedantic and picky mood where I claimed hib end regen was the best? I don't remember seeing that written anywhere in any of my posts I just pointed out that you get it on the same class that has about half to 2/3rds of the key abilities required in an effective group already.

dum di dum I love being bard dum di dum D

thanks for cheering me up a bit

 

[Nemue]

I dont think its the loss of the relics themselves thats the cause of all argues and whines.

Think its more a case of broken spirits, and the feeling of pointlessness settling in, the feeling where no matter how much effort you put down to prevent something to happen it still happens and there is basically nothing hibs or mids can do about it. There is just too many enemies at too many locations at the same time so you just simply cant take them all on at the same time. Over the course of a few days i've seen mids struggling to retake towers at nottmoor, only to have albs recapture them an hour later and thus re-establishing supply line to mid, Asylum took bledmeer at 5 - 6AM in the morning with 1½-2 fg or so, i was there along with a few other hib stealthers trying to help mids fend off the attack but it didnt help, albs got it in the end anyway. Despite mids having equal numbers, or near equal numbers defening their relics albs still took them, loosing 3 relics in 1 week, even tho doing your best to defend them, which is supposedly easier than attacking them has a way of breaking the spirit.

Now that the albs have 5 of 6 relics, getting any of them back before next patch is something i find very very unlikely due to hibs and mids problems to produce numbers in RvR, i think every hib and mid deem the relics a lost cause atm, we have no way of taking them back, knowing albs have superior numbers to defend them with, superior range to defend them with, and now with relics, they also have superior damage to defend them with.

I only wish hibs and mids had a way to contest albs about them, but atm we just dont have the means to do anything about albs, any resistance done is basically just prolonging the unevitable, and that is why i think ppl are venting their anger here against albs, claiming they just killed the game/server.

 

[karpathus]

So don't. Your loss.

Hey,

Well we don't. And not our loss but yours. Think about how it'll feel when you need to shoot arrows at oneanother to get just alittle PvP action?

Grats though.

- Karpathus NS++

 

[Booze]

if albs died...

they will always port back to Nott or Bled

 

[Filip]

I only wish hibs and mids had a way to contest albs about them, but atm we just dont have the means to do anything about albs, any resistance done is basically just prolonging the unevitable, and that is why i think ppl are venting their anger here against albs, claiming they just killed the game/server.

this is how 99% of the albs felt in FG figths in OF if they didnt have the possiblity to be a setup group becuase of RL or class.

 

[Garbannoch]

gratz albs

the only way to save this game is to temporarily fuck it up completely for 99% of the players... albs will get tired of no enemies sooner or later and then a sense of normality will come back to the game. Until then I recommend all mids and hibs to play different games or do some PvE

 

[Marc]

Gratz
PS: Nice Grammar

P.S. your a prick

 

[Maoni]

stupid ass, how many mids/hibs do you think gonna rvr when alb holds all or almost all relics?

GRATS.

pre NF How many albs was RvR without relics?

All who was the slightest into rvr?

imho quit daoc if u want or whatever.
Im so sick of this massive whine!

 

[Jika]

Ppl are so pissed about it. I cant see why. Swallow before typing all those answers into FreddysHouse. First of all makes me feel bad if mids saying I have killed the game ..lolz... Hibs quitting too? Cmon... Albs are working together now. It is the only reason we have more relics than you. And my voice was heard in /cg so albs knew where we need them. I didnt plan zerg attacks, I asked for ppl who could help us taking out keeps/towers that would help achieve power relic.

Call me a zerg leader with n00b tactics. You had ur change to defend. In the later patch own relics are easier to get back. So get ur realm united or /quit if u really feel so. Cant understand this whining... Makes me feel lousy becouse we really worked today for our goal. And we did good job. So say GRZ to albion even tho u are mid or hib. Those who can do that deserves applodes. Then MAYBE we can say grz when you take our relics.

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Tappi the friar 50
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yes yes mate .. u outskilled us with ur 400 mates =)

 

[Cigies]

The only thing hibs organise is how to come round the loosing side from behind and swoop down like vultures after a mass fight. Well now you have more to worry about, thanx to your efforts helping the albs take keep after keep in our frontier they now have the relic bonus. Well done pat on the back and please do /quit. Ive said it before, ill say it again, the 2 underdog realms shoudl work against the albs, but no, you just swan round picking up their offal.

I thought you mids where tag teaming with the Albs against Hib too start with ?

Short term memory loss ?