About Ceremonial twats and rest of a-holes.

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eneq

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Originally posted by old.LandShark
Impugn: to treat as if questionable.
Basically to impugn someone's intelligence = treat them like a moron. ;)
Anyhow, yeh, sorry for not contributing to the thread, I don't usually flame people who clearly don't speak english as their first language. Sorrreee
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aah u never stop learning new things. Never heard that word before.
Well c what this thread made !! i learned a new english word.

Well sometimes the badly spoken tourist is a laugh in films etc. Sometimes it takes other directions.

But now i know what u was after.
I did impugn your intelligence becasue i didnt know what u was asking.

But now i know its the language barrier that was the real bad boy here ;p
 
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eneq

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Envenom
"i know u will enechanter because thats the sort of person u are u like looking for ppl to flame? maybe thats why obsidion order were glad u didnt join Dulak for 1 was glad because of ur selffish ways and kicking him out of a group something he never forgot."

U still speaks the old half-truth and sometimes plain lies.
First u said u would kick me out of OBS i i ever choose to join. When i then says i was invited to OBS and even given a Officers role u didnt response.
So plz tell me how i can b invited b DULAK and the rest of OBS (ALL OF THEM EXEPT U) AND become a officers when none in OBS anted me in ??

Feck u r so plainly stupid sometimes it wouldnt surprise me u seeing your face in guinees(sp?) world record book.

We can make a test now.
I say u lie when telling this things. DO u agree u lying Envenom ?
Or wont u respond to this post ?
Will u go away hide under a rock and come out when u think this post gone ?
OR do u have the balls to stand up here and say the truth ?

Plz name all the ones in OBS that didnt want me to join.
I will contact them ingame and ask them to reply here.

About Dulak. He wanted me to join OBS and become officer.
He said to me that the offer always stays open.

´So plz Envenom either crawl back and b a whimp or stand up and speak the truth.
 
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Ensceptifica

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Eneq,

English is not my first language either, that's Dutch. Yet I'm coping fine. Maybe it's more a lack of effort on your part. And I don't think your lack of understanding of the English language is the reason you come across as offensive anyway. Saying you haven't been swearing in your posts... ok ok not only haven't you misunderstood every reply, you also deny what you have written yourself, and even go to the extent of accusing others of the things you do wrong. For a while I thought I had gotten through to you, but alas.

Feel free to reply with another post saying you don't understand and attributing me with all sorts of terrible things that are in fact your own shortcomings.
 
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stabba3

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Yes my post was directed at you Eneq, im sorry if the language was not at a fitting "mental level". As you said in your post you dont want to argue or waste time with idiots, and i was abit worried of what you whould define as a idiot. after all by actions made in a game, by some people many become idiots in your book? I'm not asking for a statistical study of 100k people to find your statement plausible, however i disagree with that ingame values, behaviour or actions whould directly correlate (sorry, english isnt my native language and i dont know any good word for this) with those irl. Also you say that all people whould use logical reasoning (if that is the same as logical thinking), if this was the case we should all come to the same conclusion or all agree of the same possibilitys, assuming we all have access to the same data. The other possibility is that your reasoning whould consist of more than logic, say enviormental, social or even genetic variables. This whould allow for a greater spectra of conclusions, it whould also create the chance to not understand the motives at all behind someones behaviour. But what you are doing is using both, defining your own as the one people "should" understand, and basing it on the principals of the second. This was what bothered me and i didnt understand it, perhaps it was a linguistic error from my side (or yours) and in that case i stand corrected. Thats the reason for my previous post, i didnt mean to flame or anything similar to that.

As i said i disagreed with you that ingame and out of game whould be equal, i cant proove it to not do so (someone already prooved that your claim that this always is the case isnt true, since it didnt apply to them) i do however have some arguements.

First off, i whould say that our surrondings, both socialy and in a perceptivness perspective affect you. For example, i act differently on a funeral, a nightclub and a fancy dinner. If im in a fight i rarely think my actions (punches) through, if im wrighting an exam i am. The goal of many computer games is to emualate an experience audio-visualy to build up a feeling of something else than the physical surrondings you are in.

Secondly, you claim that people who are powergamers correspond to a certain type of people (im assuming there should be a correspondance towards the casual gamer side with other people). I've been all over that scale (playing 8-10h/day as the powergamer and considering everyone a non-social moron that plays that time), i wasnt a idiot as a casual gamer, nor as a powergamer. My intellect and ability to reason was unaffected. On a more general note, have you tried any sports? I have, i was quite good a some, worse at others. It never made me an idiot without friends, i think many people who focus heavily on some sport whould laugh if you told them they where stupid for doing it.

Thirdly, ingame you communicate with wrighting no body language, no tone. Isn't it plausible to believe that changing your main means of communication like this whould make others percieve you in another way (since you are always you to yourself it's the way others percieve you that make what you are as far as they are concerned).

This is in no way meant as a flame or attack on anyone.

p.s. Since my language might have been to high for someone at some points ill summarize it in a "low mental level word" that summarize it: PWNED! :) d.s.
 
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Ragnarok1978

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Ewwwkay,

Maybe it's about time to close this topic? Heh.

I gave up trying to prove my points to eneq, why don't the rest of you do the same? :)
 
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Ensceptifica

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Originally posted by Ragnarok1978
I gave up trying to prove my points to eneq, why don't the rest of you do the same? :)
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I was gonna, but it's hard : / I can accept someone who doesn't agree with me -it can be a satisfying outcome just agreeing that you disagree-, but it's hard to accept when someone basically refuses to grasp anything that's being said to him (or by him even, in this case).
 
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eneq

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To stabba.

"Secondly, you claim that people who are powergamers correspond to a certain type of people"
???
Where did i say that ?
My english maybe bad and i dont have the willpower to read all my previous posts BUT i cant remember i brought in the word powergamer ?

IF u claim i said anything plz qoute it. Or else i cant defend it.
Maybe my english is bad or something but i cant even think of any words i typed that even remotly correspond to powergamers.

U seem like a student at uni. So u prolly know how easy it is to bring your own toughts into essay and stuff. Maybe u thinks Twats = powergamers. I dunno. I certainly DONT.
I been there adn done that. Played 20 hours straight in my youth. Playing and being a powergamer isnt the same as the twats i described above.

Yes i "tried" sports. Im a athletic teacher at school. I have done all the sports u can think off. WAs best in my region at orientering, Handball, Shooting, Won the basket class tourny at school.
I been trainer for senior soccer teams. And youth teams in handball.

So basically
"Secondly, you claim that people who are powergamers correspond to a certain type of people (im assuming there should be a correspondance towards the casual gamer side with other people). I've been all over that scale (playing 8-10h/day as the powergamer and considering everyone a non-social moron that plays that time), i wasnt a idiot as a casual gamer, nor as a powergamer. My intellect and ability to reason was unaffected. On a more general note, have you tried any sports? I have, i was quite good a some, worse at others. It never made me an idiot without friends, i think many people who focus heavily on some sport whould laugh if you told them they where stupid for doing it"

is off topic because i never (dont think anyone else did either) intended this thread to b about powergamers.
Did u ?
But i agree with u totaly about powergamers. I dont think playing that much games is bad for u mentaly, and not bad for body if u do mucho exercise also.
When i was at my powergaming peak i was at uni studying to become a athletic teacher. Could play for 10 hours but that didnt matter much becasue somedays we had 6 hours of gymnastics.

"Thirdly, ingame you communicate with wrighting no body language, no tone. Isn't it plausible to believe that changing your main means of communication like this whould make others percieve you in another way (since you are always you to yourself it's the way others percieve you that make what you are as far as they are concerned)."

This is nicely put. I agree totally. But not even in game but even at this boards etc.
Many posters tought i was angry when posting when im not.
Maybe bad english BUT also IMHO that they have a picture of a angry human while reading. That way to read the post in a different way. And when friends of mine read my posts they know im not a angry kind of human and read diff.

If the readers saw me RL they notice im not angry.
The emotes is a way to copy bodylanguage but never even close as effective.

"im sorry if the language was not at a fitting "mental level"

np m8. I must admitt i got little confused when u bringing in words that u can write with words more common.
I dont think the average reader knew the word axiom...
It sounded as u tried to come here with hard words just to justify u being right. If the first post had been in "essay" language etc etc i had np with u bringing in "hard" words. But as u c the average posts dont.
Its like bringing in dirty words in a book for kids 2-5 year. It doesnt fit in.



"Also you say that all people whould use logical reasoning (if that is the same as logical thinking), if this was the case we should all come to the same conclusion or all agree of the same possibilitys, assuming we all have access to the same data"

i think we hit the language barrier once more. As we both not english based we have diff aspects.
Logical for me maybe isnt (or rather it isnt) the same for u.
If u read higher math (well not that high even) u will notice that some peeps cant comprehend and some say well yes thats logical. (i was 1 of them saying What ??)

Im not claiming to my opinion is the truth, BUT its my beliefs.
I will change them when ire posters sa feel peeps convinced me they r wrong.

BUT all of u (hmm maybe not stabba yet) agrees that u act in some ways IG as IRL. IT can b in a smaller extent or bigger.
Im not the only poster saying this. There r at least 2-3 more.
And as i stated even u think so.

I also agree with u when u say that infront of the computer the social "rules" differ from RL. But only in the concept that u cant b social punished when playing games. If u act like a twat(jerk asshole) IRL people will take distance from u or even act upon it.
IG there is no real social punish. Thats why u have more jerks IG then IRL.
Because peeps like u that defend how the can act IG.

Basically u defend peeps like Envenom that lies and grief players.
Do u do so IRL also ?
If u c a jerk harrasing a women, yelling at here and laughing at her stocking (or whatever). Do u just stroll past and say " hey its his life"

This last i typed i dont mean to all posters that disagree with me. So dont feel targetted if u dont have the opinion that the twats can do whatever the feel like because its a game.


" was gonna, but it's hard : / I can accept someone who doesn't agree with me -it can be a satisfying outcome just agreeing that you disagree-, but it's hard to accept when someone basically refuses to grasp anything that's being said to him (or by him even, in this case)."

Plz state in 2-3 sentences what u would like me to grasp.
so many posts i dont even remember what u trying to make me grasp ;p
Can u plz do that Ensce ?
Do that and we c if we can agree ;p (to disagree that is ;p )
 
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old.Bull

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Envenom summs it up pretty good:



Originally posted by Envenom2
.....blabla yada yada...because to be frank ur someone who doesnt like to loose an arguement? thats why ur dragging this thread on and on and on
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Give it a rest eneq
 
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eneq

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Originally posted by old.Bull
Envenom summs it up pretty good:






Give it a rest eneq
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Hey old bull.
U play on prydwen ?
Did u contribute anything in this ?
Did your mom twist your arm to read this ?
Did u even in fact read all the posts ?
Did u have to make the thread longer with the last remark ?

About Envenom as u qouted him.
Did u c any reply about my questions for him ?
That he is a lier etc etc ?

Why did u even begin posting ?
U bored ?
Or plainly just wanting to get some posts on board ?

Damn i get ensce to post more then 2-3 sentence in 1 reply maybe i can get u to do also.

If u post here why dont u post your tought about IG adn IRL ?
IF u dont... why bother ?
 
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eneq

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Originally posted by Ragnarok1978


I second that :) This is just getting silly now...
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aye agree... the silly part peeps reading and posting on threads they think silly.

I cant really get it.

"hey the thread is pointless stop posting here"
isnt that some kind of madness posting like that ?

And then say "aye stop posting"
so basically post 2 posts more then u have too ?

Why cant u make a new thread where u can post what u think is important ?

hmm wait a minute,,
Can it b u have so booooring jobs reading this thread is the more funny then work ?
Then u exscused (sp) really.

But why not posts on the "albs..." thread instead ?
More fun discussion there really
 
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Ensceptifica

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Originally posted by eneq
Plz state in 2-3 sentences what u would like me to grasp.
so many posts i dont even remember what u trying to make me grasp ;p
Can u plz do that Ensce ?
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I can, but there's no use. You've adopted a mechanism of intentionally misunderstanding and circumventing anything that would hurt your pride if you had the guts to admit or even face it.

I'll go with Ragnarok, Bull and Envenom. You're a lost cause trying to get through to.
 
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old.Bull

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Hey old bull. - Hey Eneq
U play on prydwen ? - Yea, excal too though
Did u contribute anything in this ? -hmm... no
Did your mom twist your arm to read this ? - not really
Did u even in fact read all the posts ? - almost all of them
Did u have to make the thread longer with the last remark ? - did you?

About Envenom as u qouted him.
Did u c any reply about my questions for him ?
That he is a lier etc etc ? - I dont know envenom personally but have to agree with him on that quote, atleast it seems like he is right

Why did u even begin posting ? - cause youre annoying
U bored ? - no
Or plainly just wanting to get some posts on board ? - yea im thrilled about getting posts (got like 40 since feb)

Damn i get ensce to post more then 2-3 sentence in 1 reply maybe i can get u to do also. - nah- dont count on it...oh wait this i more tan 2-3 sents :)

If u post here why dont u post your tought about IG adn IRL ? - im at work, havent got the time, soz
 
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eneq

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Originally posted by Ensceptifica


I can, but there's no use. You've adopted a mechanism of intentionally misunderstanding and circumventing anything that would hurt your pride if you had the guts to admit or even face it.

I'll go with Ragnarok, Bull and Envenom. You're a lost cause trying to get through to.
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U r sure u want to b connected to envenom in any way ?

I dont get it. Its that hard to put into 2-3 sentences what u dont can convince me about ?

I think u never ever wanted to discuss anything. It was only after my remarks on your silly posting that made u try to take a stand.
And becasue i was angry on my posts u had to take another stand.
BUT hey i maybe totaly wrong.

And u can prove (sp?) b just point out what it is that u cant stand im saying.

U said u could.
So plz state it in 2-3 sentences that i cant really missunderstand.

Here is my point.
I say u have same personality IRL as u do IG.
U being a twat IG u r a twat IRL.

2 sentences.....
Do u agree or disagree ?


I can understand u if u disagree, and i leave it as it is.
I have made my points clear adn u have made yours.
U havent convinced me and i dont have convinced u.

Whats the problem ?
What is it im misunderstanding ?

I have asked u some simple questions. Can u plz (and others if they feel like it) answer them. IF u have questions u want to ask plz do so.
 
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eneq

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Hey old bull. - Hey Eneq
U play on prydwen ? - Yea, excal too though - Name ?
Did u contribute anything in this ? -hmm... no- whats new ?
Did your mom twist your arm to read this ? - not really- U sure ?
Did u even in fact read all the posts ? - almost all of them- almost nicely done
Did u have to make the thread longer with the last remark ? - did you?- nope only replying on stupid posts that made this thread longer and longer.

About Envenom as u qouted him.
Did u c any reply about my questions for him ?
That he is a lier etc etc ? - I dont know envenom personally but have to agree with him on that quote, atleast it seems like he is right- yes but plz play with him for awhile adn u c why almost all of hibernia cheered when he went to mid. Read the farewell post from envenom adn u c the majority has same views as me regarding that issue.

Why did u even begin posting ? - cause youre annoying- WoW sure u not a teacher ? u will b a very good educationer (sp)
U bored ? - no- hmm so u did this becasue u had so much fun at work ?
Or plainly just wanting to get some posts on board ? - yea im thrilled about getting posts (got like 40 since feb)- all the same useless replies ?

Damn i get ensce to post more then 2-3 sentence in 1 reply maybe i can get u to do also. - nah- dont count on it...oh wait this i more tan 2-3 sents :) - well what can i say im a good teacher ;p

If u post here why dont u post your tought about IG adn IRL ? - im at work, havent got the time, soz - aha i understand. it takes that long to get some ideas and think up good replies. Thats why your lasts posts sux ?

BTW nice thinking answering like this. Cant really miss what u refering to.
 
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stabba3

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**BORING READ**

"well stop and think why they r playing this game.
Its not like the rest of us that want to enjoy a couple of hours gaming with friends etc.
Why ?
Well they have no friends, Not here and not IRL."

This was what made me believe you where talking about powergamer's, this is what i as a casual gamer whould define powergamers as :). If it wasnt your intention, then the arguement is invalid. On the other hand you can say that there are people who act like "twats" IG and IRL, i disagree that you can make any assumption about their real life, or their personalitys in the physical world from their ingame actions and behaviour. If the post was just your opinion then say so, i fully respect your opinion and assume you have valid reasons to believe so.

My posts does not reflect my own opinions, im arguing at an objective level with what you posted in a way making it look like facts. As i dont see the basis nor do connections you make to be true, i find nothing wrong with it as an opinion. In my mind i see the griefer as a big a-hole too, that doesnt mean i make the conclusion that all griefers are horrible people. It's just my opinion, and i have no problem differenting that with my objective thinking. my example about powergamers, and me going for casual gamer to powergamers is one that also show how wrong your own opinion can be when compared to the objective picture of the matter. I dont know how logic is defined where you live, and im pretty sure you didnt mean it in the way i thaught you did. I think the word you where looking for is rational (im not sure it is this word in english :( ) thinking.
Also if you are of the opinion that there is no social consequences IG i suggest you speak with Stealthie. Agreed they are what you make them, but thats the same IRL aswell.

Im not defending a griefer nor anyone else, i disagree too the connections made by you. If i see something that i consider bad in daoc i might tell them i consider it bad, if i see something bad IRL i might tell them i think its bad, or act upon it with any means i see fit. If someone spamms /laugh on my body for example i do think its bad, but what judgements can i make from this?

To the rest of you in this thread, i marked all my posts as boring so you can skip them.

To eneq, i dont in anyway consider this as a waste of time. infact im enjoying the dialog :).
 
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eneq

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To stabba

Agreed with u on many things u said.
I think i said on some/many occassion (sp) the phrase IMHO and IMO.
IMHO is the same as In My Humble Opinion and if u take away the humble u get the IMO :)

I stated the above because the most part we disagree is because of language barrier making us think wrong.

My posts rnt objective. i do post my opinion but im not saying its the absolute thruth.

I been playing mmorpg for a long time and have many times met the so called griefer (in this thread named the "twat").

I had many IG friends over the past of years. And in every guild i been its been people with same ideals and same humour and playstyle.
Thats my background for stating my opinion.

u say
"i disagree that you can make any assumption about their real life, or their personalitys in the physical world from their ingame actions and behaviour"
ITs here we have a different opinion.
I think u can.
I dont think when u sit before comp your personality change to 100 %. And i dont think u do either.
I agree u can make diff choices some time that u dont would do IRL. But the whole picture/personality will shine trough.
U can b a a-hole 1-2 times IRL due to being tired and had bad day. So can u b IG.
BUT if u keep being a A-hole IRL and IG u prolly r a A-hole.

I have read on many occassions (should check the spelling up but...) about when players from UO met IRL.
The same things come up.
Some guys could even tell who played wich char before knowing there names.
They said "wow he had same weird humour as in UO"

The conclusion that came from that post was that the feelt they had known eachother for years. AND they had. IG.


Remember that all this discussion is theoritacal becasue we must do a study (would really b interesting) to get the facts out.

Im sorry if i have given the expression that i dont value your opinions. But they havent changed mine.

"Also if you are of the opinion that there is no social consequences IG i suggest you speak with Stealthie. Agreed they are what you make them, but thats the same IRL aswell."

Well i know there is IG social consequences. U name Stealthie i name Envenom. Dunno about stealthie but envenom is disliked b many for his actions IG.

"To eneq, i dont in anyway consider this as a waste of time. infact im enjoying the dialog "

:p me also :p

But i have hard time with posters that dont like the discussion but still whines over the thread.

To think that something r stupid and pointless and still post in the thread is beyond my understanding really.
I must admitt that your first post seemed like that to me.
But when re-reading it with better English-Reading-Eyes i c what u trying to say.

My conclusion is we cant really progress without making a full time study of the Twats and Heroes of this Game.
If they r Twats IG and IRL or not.

Hey im a Hero IG and RL (well to my 2 year old girl i am :p )
So thats 1 point for my opinion !!!

R u a Villian ? (sp) :p
 
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stabba3

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**boring read**

to eneq:

Aye, the language barrier makes it alot harder, so does the fact that we communicate with posts :). When i wrote my first post i was also hungover and tired, so i didnt really think thru what kind of impression you whould get of me. What i say often might sound like a besserwisser(sp?), i whouldnt describe me as one (nor a hero) and it was never my intention to to make your post look dumb. My intention was as stated above to correct those logical mistakes that i thaught was made, as imo building things based on faulty ground isnt going to lead anywhere :) ( I prefer to the matematical standpoint IRL, and if you have ever met a mathematician you know how carefully they choose there words to give an exact statement without misunderstandings).

On a more personal note, i too get angry at many things ingame, many get angry at me from time to time aswell :). Whould i say that some players are a-holes? yes, some players behave in a way i cant justify in any way, that is my opinion, i dont like what they do nor who they are (IG). IRL have thaught me that its better to not judge people on what i myself know. if i dont know them IRL, there motives are unknown to me how could i judge them in any way fair? If you shoot a man in war you are a hero, if you shoot him for fun your a murderer, many actions cant be judged by viewing just the action itself imo. So who am I to judge an action made by an individual that can come from anywhere on the globe, with any kind of background, with any emotional state?
Then factor in the ingame history of this character and you end up with something even more complex. Not to mention that the only rulebook we have is the joining zone where most values that we take with us ingame agrees, the only way to compare your own is how the people you surrond yourself with react on them, but who can tell me if they reflect this zone of silient agreement? Thats the way i feel, i dont want to force anyone to feel the same, nor do i know if its the best way. It is merly my opinion. I dunno if that makes me a villian or a hero :), i trust in you to judge that.
 
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Envenom2

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enechanter the only person i know that didnt want you to join OO was Dulak ok fair enuff he offered u an officers position but only because of ur good leadership qualities which i admit u have nothing else.He didnt like you as a friend i know because me and him have often had discussions on guild matters etc and even played alot together on alb pyrd.

And as for moving to mid well so far ive grouped with almost all the lvl 50s and ive had no problems with any of them no 1 has said o look its that fucker Envenom, infact most have welcomed me to mid saying what a good ns i was etc and that its nice to have another good player in the realm.
Ive even had the pleasure of being invited to Np groups now and then which i really enjoy tbh and im not treated as a hib im treated as a mid which i really like.

Me and you never really got on enechanter when i moved to OO from DDi i dunno why.
and i also dont think u liked the way i spoke some alliance truths on the alliance chat sometimes.
Anyway can we just drop it now enechanter? its not something i want to have if u dont like me fair enuff but u dont have to mention me in every single post u make.

And as for leaving hib fair enuff alot of ppl didnt like me and i didnt like them no problem there only a game etc.But there was alot of ppl who did like me and i like them who cares? its done over just drop it now and drop the thread because ur starting to become worse then me on here.
 
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eneq

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Congrats Envenom.

1 Whole post without lies and talking shit.

Yes we dont like eachother but that doesnt matter.
I been spamming flameposts against u when u lie. Or being a twat.

When u stop doing that i wont flame u.
And u didnt in last post so u get no flames in this one.

Have a good game and stop doing stupid things and u will not b mention b me anymore.
 
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Ensceptifica

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Ok ok I'm gonna give it another try. Call me idealistic.

Originally posted by eneq

Here is my point.
I say u have same personality IRL as u do IG.
U being a twat IG u r a twat IRL.

2 sentences.....
Do u agree or disagree ?
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Look again , I already gave my opinion on that one. I even used it as an argument to explain what was wrong with your posting. You even agreed. In the posts after that, you went back to doing exactly what you had agreed you were doing wrong: being offensive and insulting, and for some reason you started denying things you clearly posted before. Like 'show me where I swear'... did you even read the title you actually gave your own topic? Or over 50% of your own posts for that matter. No I'm not gonna quote them. For once take the effort to actually read what's being written by others and by yourself, instead of just trying to deny it word for word.
 
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Envenom2

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so whats stupid in a game enechanter? you fool
 
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eneq

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Originally posted by Envenom2
so whats stupid in a game enechanter? you fool
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Alot of stuff actually. Lucky me some of them u cant do anymore. WEll not to me and my realm m8´s.

But maybe your question is sincere becasue u dont have a grasp whats stupid and whats not.

1 stupid thing u must know b now is to make "i owned u " post on this forum.

Was it about korv ? Dont remember anymore.

Must say that u being in midlands and me being still in hib have made my gaming exp much more happy !!
 
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eneq

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Originally posted by Ensceptifica
Ok ok I'm gonna give it another try. Call me idealistic.


Look again , I already gave my opinion on that one. I even used it as an argument to explain what was wrong with your posting. You even agreed. In the posts after that, you went back to doing exactly what you had agreed you were doing wrong: being offensive and insulting, and for some reason you started denying things you clearly posted before. Like 'show me where I swear'... did you even read the title you actually gave your own topic? Or over 50% of your own posts for that matter. No I'm not gonna quote them. For once take the effort to actually read what's being written by others and by yourself, instead of just trying to deny it word for word.
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aha its back to language barrier once again :/

Didnt know calling someone "twat " was swearing :/
i tought swearing was when u hit yoyrself on the thumb with hammer and then saying some well put words was swearing :/

If u refer to the "i adopt envenom" quote as insult i just used your technic when qouting.
 
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Envenom2

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erm but enechanter thats on these stupid forums so again define stupid in a game?
 
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eneq

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oki.

Stupid in game.

Envenom " Feck off i dont need your help" To me
Envenom 3 min later " is there a spot in PBAOE group ?" To me

To leave a Guild orginazed event when we was about to start it,
Saying that "I must go soz" and when asking why "u all hate NS"
And then after 10 more min we did a /who Envenom Guess who was in CF at fins ?

This things and more like them did make u Persona Non Grata in my groups.
 
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