A hacking incident again, this time, nothing will be restored.

[SoulFly Amarok]

Re: Re: A hacking incident again, this time, character restoration issues..

Originally posted by ashitaka

the thought is good, but on the other hand it would most likely not make any difference, as my guess is Loch stored all her PW's in a document on her computer, or else the hacker would not have got access to her account right? So if there was some kind of password like this, she most likely have had that stored along with the others.

Afaik no.

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by Meatballs
Aye I bet kemor roll's back all the characters whenever he changes his lvl102 Briton Warden into a lvl107 Kobold Skald. Database manipulation is soo hard etc

He was a highlander warden with 2handed spec on gorre once

 

[VodkaFairy]

I want to be Kemor :x

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
I want to be Kemor :x

kinky

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by old.Tbird
No but I take basic security steps, if you're house has the doors wide open and mine locked shut do you really think they'll take the effort to break my windows first?

If they're at you're house I expect they would, otherwise they'd have to drive all the way to my house :\

P.S. leaving doors open analogy would only apply if you were knowingly running services on you're computer

 

[Addlcove]

Re: Re: .

Originally posted by The Real Redi
eh?

i reckon youve overdone the crack mate... Where did i say i even wanted to know you in RL, let alone "beat you up"... :lol:

tard... i rarely use anything even resembling a language other than english, but

kkthxfuckoffandgethelp

/pity

Im off home now, from work (its what you wont be doing when you leave school), and perhaps socialise with my mates (again, don't worry about that one either), and possibly see my wonderful lass (err.. actually, i get the impression if i told you about "wimmin" you'd cry or something...)

have fun til the morrow people, and again, Loch, what happened to you sucks and anything i can do to help, let me know in game (although little more than bait id imagine >>is teh besht bait!)

check out uber-players new title

 

[klavrynd]

security is an illusion

 

[Generic Poster]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
let me ask you this, If you sister are out haveing a great time, on the way home she gets raped.
Is it her fault ?

There's a slight difference between rape and deleting someone's DAoC character. Even so, smart girls shouldn't walk alone at night, specially not after dressing up for a party and stumbling home drunk in the dark. Anyway, that's another thread.



"Tbh, imo anyone who gives out their IP address without having sufficient protection is kinda stupid anyway, and prolly deserves to be hacked"

Indeed, someone was owned by their own words.

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by someone
Tbh, imo anyone who gives out their IP address without having sufficient protection is kinda stupid anyway, and prolly deserves to be hacked

Whoever said that... <points at> IP: Logged

 

[old.Dillinja]

Originally posted by klavrynd
security is an illusion

omg klavrynd said something intelligent?

 

[klavrynd]

maybe my other posts have too many words

 

[StormriderX]

Re: A hacking incident again, this time, character restoration issues..

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok
Not to mention, that you should've implemented a "safer" way for character deletion, by, for example: you have to type y e s, then you must enter a secret character deletion password, which is given to you after you've made your account.

That is a superb idea - would be cool if they could implement it

 

[Gabrial]

Guys you're all missing the picture.

Even with security in place a determined hacker could get through.

I know nothing of him/her but if he/she is unfamiliar with PC's, security, firewalls etc then you cant really blame him/her for lack of security.

I used this analogy before - everyone knows kids shouldnt talk to strangers but if they do and get kidnapped (or worse) do we say "You should have been more carefull!" etc.

No. Its a crime - regardless and Loch isnt to blame. IMO Goa have the ability to restore the chars - if they dont they are sailing close to the wind in terms of their own security. They should in theory be taking weekly/daily rolling backups of the player base with a copy being maintained offsite.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Originally posted by Gabrial
Guys you're all missing the picture.

I help people see the missing picture!

 

[klavrynd]

tohtori ... can you say swiss cheese?

 

[old.Tohtori]

klavrynd, what are you on about? I hope you're not going to start saying that NOrton is a bad security system or some crap like that 'cause that picture is just a random thing....

 

[Sarnat]

I can't see what all this hacking fuss is about. She admitted on IRC that she had given her pass to someone. I bet 100 to 1 that whoever had the pass leaked or did it.

 

[Teh Krypt]

Originally posted by Sarnat
I can't see what all this hacking fuss is about. She admitted on IRC that she had given her pass to someone. I bet 100 to 1 that whoever had the pass leaked or did it.

If thats true then its her own fault tbh

 

[m4rk]

and they expect us to pay even more for a service like this? lol.

 

[-Nxs-]

Originally posted by Sarnat
I can't see what all this hacking fuss is about. She admitted on IRC that she had given her pass to someone. I bet 100 to 1 that whoever had the pass leaked or did it.

If someone WANTS to hack your game password and is commited, the chances are they can (unless you change it frequently, I try to do this at least every month) However, if you have told someone else the account info to log in and abuse you're characters then im sorry but you only have yourself to blame and GOA should not offer any support for this problem.

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by Sarnat
I can't see what all this hacking fuss is about. She admitted on IRC that she had given her pass to someone. I bet 100 to 1 that whoever had the pass leaked or did it.

screenshot please

 

[Esoteric]

What Addlcove said ^^

 

[klavrynd]

no offence but norton = rubbish


iptables > all

 

[Sibanac]

Originally posted by Gabrial
Guys you're all missing the picture.

Even with security in place a determined hacker could get through.

A determined hacker is gonne do what ? install a keylogger on the pc, cause thats about the only way you could get the password if the security was in place

I know nothing of him/her but if he/she is unfamiliar with PC's, security, firewalls etc then you cant really blame him/her for lack of security.

If you know nothing about security you should atleast do a minimal effort to learn the basics of internet security

I used this analogy before - everyone knows kids shouldnt talk to strangers but if they do and get kidnapped (or worse) do we say "You should have been more carefull!" etc.

everyone knows kids shouldnt play with mathces, but if they do and burn their fingers they get a slap around the ears and told to suck on it

No. Its a crime - regardless and Loch isnt to blame. IMO Goa have the ability to restore the chars - if they dont they are sailing close to the wind in terms of their own security. They should in theory be taking weekly/daily rolling backups of the player base with a copy being maintained offsite.

yes they should and they probebly do, but restoring 1 char from backup might take a full restore of the DB (read down time and a possible roll back for all player)
Having worked on large databases i know what a pain it can be and time it takes to retrive 1 record from a 120 gig tape.

 

[Sibanac]

Originally posted by klavrynd
no offence but norton = rubbish


iptables > all

ipf > all

 

[Sarnat]

Originally posted by Addlcove
screenshot please

Unfortunately I don't log public channels. But there are people in my guild who have played Loch so it's not like she's been keeping the pass in a safe.

 

[-Nxs-]

Originally posted by Sarnat
Unfortunately I don't log public channels. But there are people in my guild who have played Loch so it's not like she's been keeping the pass in a safe.

Well if is the case, then GOA should do nothing, as they have stated if an account is traded/lent to someone else then no support is given on that account, and it may be subject to suspencion/termination.

 

[tripitaka]

Originally posted by -Nxs-
If someone WANTS to hack your game password and is commited, the chances are they can (unless you change it frequently, I try to do this at least every month) However, if you have told someone else the account info to log in and abuse you're characters then im sorry but you only have yourself to blame and GOA should not offer any support for this problem.

I wholly agree. well said. I wouldn't expect any sympathy if i had done the same. TBH, dont' know why it was broadcast on here in the first place ... Goa won't change the way they work, and they shouldn't have to IMHO.

If you're legitmatlly hacked, ok, theres a problem. And maybe i would speak to rightnow or something but i sure as hell wouldn't make it known that this had happened , in a public forum.

The other thing is ... isn't it funny after 8 pages it has come to light that the account password has been given to other people. kinda knew this was gonna happen...

MODERATORS : Maybe you should close this thread now as a warning to others. You give your password out. You lose in the long run. / You give your password out, and whine - you get found out....

 

[-Nxs-]

Originally posted by tripitaka
MODERATORS : Maybe you should close this thread now as a warning to others. You give your password out. You lose in the long run. / You give your password out, and whine - you get found out....

how true, happened numerous times - well said !!

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by Sarnat
Unfortunately I don't log public channels. But there are people in my guild who have played Loch so it's not like she's been keeping the pass in a safe.

I really don't know what I've ever done to you, but kindly stop spreading lies in public. Even if it makes you feel big to do it, it reflects badly on you in the end.