A/C on mids a relic was stolen!!

[Sneakers|Matriarch]

Seriously Muy what is it you don't understand?

Whatever you think it is or is not a 24/7 game doesn't matter.

Facts is:

People are leaving the server.

Hib do not have the population to do anything.

Mid has a low population.

Alb has 3x the nummbers of hib and 2x the nummbers of mids.

Albs take relics during night time even though they can get them at prime.

Albs break ports and take towers/keep ( to GREIF ) in hib at shit'o'clock. Today they took Nged at 6 AM, and broke all ports.
Who will get that back? And is there any point to take them back when tonight 6 AM albs will retake it with noone online?

Why would anyone who is playing in a group or play to have mass rvr/relic raids etc stay when there is no point what-so-ever?

This is the issues the server has, it is albs fault, they are doing it and noone else can change that but albs.

People moved to US servers just b/c their population can support a 24/7 play even though noone of the euros will play 24/7 there, and also since they know others [Yanks, japs, russians etc] will and can counter the griefing elements in each realm, and hold them at bay.

I'm amazed that I even have to post this to explain very very simpel matters for you and/or anyone else of the ones who actually are stubborn/dumb/degenerated enough to keep on doing this shit'o'clock raids.

The excuse that "Hey noone is online so we go PvE guards instead to have something to do" does not hold.

1) Pveing blue/red guards is no challenge.
2) Hibs have no more relics to take.

GO PvE MoB's INSTEAD they are alot more challenging, go kill legion, go do SIDI raids, Apocalypse is a real challenge with <2 fg's should try that instead of griefing and FUCKING up the server.

 

[Digi]

i think the last relic raid done with a plan by albion, was years ago by Herbal.

nowadays (hmm, up to a week ago... ) in albion there seems to be almost NO planning. if enough people are doing the same thing, one person might start a BG, if that person is capable, the BG might achieve something... it just goes from hour to hour, and if things go the right way, people can plan the next step (30 mins away, not more). anticipation on an evolving situation by a BG leader seems much more important than actual planning in albion.

in albion we seem to have less trouble to get nesc numbers, but have it way harder to make em work toghether.

the kinda of `control` that Aran, Mastade and others get seems impossible in albion.

Well dont you think that becuse when it come to raids, Alb's been bottle Feed for so long that they dont need to follow a BG. All you need to do is Wait for someone to take a keep/relic late at night or if you lucky like you said someone makes a bg and the fact that you have more in numbers you can push for that target. Point im getting out is why follow a leader in alb when there no need too. PS im not saying Ever body who play Alb is this way.

 

[Muylaetrix]

Well dont you think that becuse when it come to raids, Alb's been bottle Feed for so long that they dont need to follow a BG. All you need to do is Wait for someone to take a keep/relic late at night or if you lucky like you said someone makes a bg and the fact that you have more in numbers you can push for that target. Point im getting out is why follow a leader in alb when there no need too. PS im not saying Ever body who play Alb is this way.

i`m a bad judge for the situation, ok i admit.

i play only one realm and on one server.

Using my own background as a reference frame for other people doesn`t work.

I played 2 years in a realm that had only numbers speaking for it. 2 years where i earned maybe 500-600 k in total in those 2 years time. i make more per month now and a play a lot less hours a day now.

Albs never had it easy in the past, it has become easier recently though, admitted. the chances for a 50-100 man alb BG to wipe at the hands of 1, maybe 2 fg max of hibs or mids is virtually nonexistent anymore, while it was almost the rule back in the days.

one could say we `grew up` in a totally different atmosphere.

I cant jugde how the curent situation is `felt` by hibs or mids. but seeing the results, the overall feeling must be catastrophic.

a lot of the albs i know and play with would play (and have played for years), whatever the odds, for whatever time, if we didn`t have any relic, because that is a normal situation for us.

Setting yourself as standard by which to judge others just doesn`t work.

 

[Soulja_IA_]

i`m a bad judge for the situation, ok i admit.

i play only one realm and on one server.

Using my own background as a reference frame for other people doesn`t work.

I played 2 years in a realm that had only numbers speaking for it. 2 years where i earned maybe 500-600 k in total in those 2 years time. i make more per month now and a play a lot less hours a day now.

Albs never had it easy in the past, it has become easier recently though, admitted. the chances for a 50-100 man alb BG to wipe at the hands of 1, maybe 2 fg max of hibs or mids is virtually nonexistent anymore, while it was almost the rule back in the days.

one could say we `grew up` in a totally different atmosphere.

I cant jugde how the curent situation is `felt` by hibs or mids. but seeing the results, the overall feeling must be catastrophic.

a lot of the albs i know and play with would play (and have played for years), whatever the odds, for whatever time, if we didn`t have any relic, because that is a normal situation for us.

Setting yourself as standard by which to judge others just doesn`t work.

I Say you a bad Judge Muyl for simple reason ON FH Albs were told time and time again that actions they were doing was getting tedious and people especially Hib realm were getting more more frustrated that any enjoyment out of doing Primetime raids is just made a nonscence with this Alarm clocking in End people are just giving it Why do we bother to go have fun when Albs just go Spoil the fun factor.

Well Hib numbers are very low now so anychance of massing a Relic force to get is practically non existent as mastade found other day and as for Hibs taking Albs Relic well that won't be any time in future from Hibs.

So seeing as Albs have got what they want Muyl hope you enjoying the Excal/Pryd server looks like you won this 1.

Btw comparing US servers to EU ones is totally different Muyl as you find US Servers have many nationalities playing it 24/7 but you find with EU most nationalities are european with only a 1-2 hr time difference so when it gets late here 99% goes to bed.

Soulja

 

[kirennia]

this seems like an unreasonable way of thinking (to me at least). the game doesn`t stop when you (or i, or whoever) log.

The enjoyment you get is `insta`. you do something, you get a `reward`. getting a suit / ml / cl / high RR are rewards that STAY. taking a keep / tower / relic / ... are insta gratification rewards. they have NO long term effect whatsoever. (unlike in OF where a realm could take relics and keep em for 2 years...)

this game was sold as 24/7. even if my daily occupations don`t permit me to stay up past 100 AM anymore most days unless in a lucky weekend, it is a 24/7 game.

The game doesn`t stop when you log. if you expect to find the fronteer in the same situation as you left it 18 hours ago, i dunno really what you are doing in a mmorpg.

my playing time is like from 2000 to 2400 most days nowadays. so people play at other times. do i whine if something in the fronteer changes between 2400 and 2000 ? do i whine if some people take a keep during the afternoon (when everyone should be at work/school) ? everybody can go do a night with a few hours less sleep, most people are not willing to miss a day at work/school for a game however... according to that logic, daytime raids are much worse than nighttime raids.

shit happens, part of the game. though. and it all makes less and less sense to me tbh.

WHATEVER you do ingame can be undone 30 mins after you log. frustrating ? probably.

on the other side ...

the english spoken cluster of goa has taken a crash dive. player numbers have dropped at a scary speed. yesterday i was able to SOLO a mid owned ddb tower with my cleric (no ram or anything, just a cleric who beat up gate and then beat up the capt.). like wtf ???

I think for a lot of peole the difference between `hey i am just playing the game` vs `you griefer !!!` has become very difficult to spot.

i haven`t been on a relic take in the last few months... i think people have the right to do relic takes whenever they take. But it is PROBABLY true that some people only attended these late night raids for the soul purpose of griefing, most people who attended them are very normal people who just played the game at slightly odd hours/ stayed up a bit longer than normal, and had fun.

enough theories, fact is the server is in a very bad condition and i see no solutions really. it saddens me.

That's the point mate, 2 hours at nighttime and it's done for 8 albs. For hibs, it's a case of getting together 100 people and they HAVE to plan well due to a severe lack of numbers in comparison. I love the diversity in the game so for me to log on and have everything the same same would be boring as well but there is a different side of the spectrum here.

I'm not talking about the relics themselves, completely ignore that. I'm talking about 8 people getting the same reward in 2 hours as 100 get with a lot of planning. Even if hibs got together 20 people to log on at 4am, albions resistance would still be too strong (Was on last night at 4am crafting as I couldn't sleep and 35 albs were up).

I don't think that the albion AC raiders are greifers, far from it(I'm friends with some of them). I just think that one of the few ways to retify this situation, no matter how minimal its effects is to ask them to help us come up with a comprimise.

Shit happens, yes I 100% agree and I don't think anyone here would say otherwise. It's if you keep ignoring your problems that they'll start to grow. We're already seen a huge decline in numbers, I don't want to see this decline turn us into another glastonbury fiasco.

edit: Ooh and you are a good judge of it. Everyone is as everyone plays the server. If there was nothing said and no arguments put across then everything done recently would have been for zero reason as it wouldn't have made an impact at all. At least now people are talking instead of simply saying 'sod off elitist' everytime a reasoned discussion was tried.

It's those that fail to see both sides of the argument that are the real elitists of this game (not you nor me included).

 

[prodical]

I don't think that the albion AC raiders are greifers, far from it(I'm friends with some of them).
Shit happens, yes I 100% agree and I don't think anyone here would say otherwise.

your first point to an extent i agree with. when i played alb with u kirennia i saw how people played. as gobo once said to me, we take twrs to get some action, and irvr to have less down time at this hour. i agree with what he said. the problem however isnt the taking of a keep, its the taking of multiple keeps at this hour. one keep maybe acceptable but taking keeps , and then a relic when the other realms have the majority of players logged off at 4 or 5 am in the morning does annoy the majority of the population.
shit happens....its an easy excuse to say well we did it, fuck the other realms, we dont really care....c'est la vie. there are players who have left the game cause shit happens. i honestly think if the guilds who a/c raid, and if they want a challenge at those kinda of hours should reroll and make a guild on usa severs, where it is prime time when they play. lets see them pve a keep or twr at those hours when the zerg is online. i have been playing at 2 and 3 am on eu severs in the past , we would see cm out , annilate them as a fg v fg , they would disapper until our grp logged, then oh wait! they would take a keep when little or no opposition was online( a lvl 42 animist dont count as oppostion) . this is what really fucks ppl off. and hense lots have moved to avalon, usa or quit totally.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

your first point to an extent i agree with. when i played alb with u kirennia i saw how people played. as gobo once said to me, we take twrs to get some action, and irvr to have less down time at this hour. i agree with what he said. the problem however isnt the taking of a keep, its the taking of multiple keeps at this hour. one keep maybe acceptable but taking keeps , and then a relic when the other realms have the majority of players logged off at 4 or 5 am in the morning does annoy the majority of the population.
shit happens....its an easy excuse to say well we did it, fuck the other realms, we dont really care....c'est la vie. there are players who have left the game cause shit happens. i honestly think if the guilds who a/c raid, and if they want a challenge at those kinda of hours should reroll and make a guild on usa severs, where it is prime time when they play. lets see them pve a keep or twr at those hours when the zerg is online. i have been playing at 2 and 3 am on eu severs in the past , we would see cm out , annilate them as a fg v fg , they would disapper until our grp logged, then oh wait! they would take a keep when little or no opposition was online( a lvl 42 animist dont count as oppostion) . this is what really fucks ppl off. and hense lots have moved to avalon, usa or quit totally.

You can't really demand from an inferior group to stay in your area to provide free RPs.

I've seen good set groups going to somewhere else just to avoid Maelstrom or Walking Issues, doing more PvE like things or stuff with less opposition and I am quite sure once you get a proper group going on Merlin people will try to avoid you too or just double zerg you. I like the competitive game and I like to go again even if I lose 5 times in a row, maybe adjust setup and discuss tactics, just to learn it better and have a better fight, but a lot of people do not like it.

 

[Shike]

Its a dying game Shike cuz pps let it die, this game still has alot of fun in it, and its a darn shame really.

Ofc Cyan, the game is still a damn good game in itself, the low population, the constant declining numbers for the last 2 years, some stupid moves by GOA and some twats that insist on acting like turds is what makes it crap, but, yea the game is excellent.

If it was fun to solo I would at least still play my NS since i love playing that lil elf but.. Solo is just pointless since so few do it, twats insist on making it shit so.. I rather just dont do it anymore.

 

[prodical]

You can't really demand from an inferior group to stay in your area to provide free RPs.

so a cm grp with what ? 5 rr11's and rest above rr6 fighting my grp which consists of rr8 players or below isnt a fair fight? but form ur own admission cm are an inferior guild.