30mph limits illegal

[TdC]

hehe



I love it.

you are aware that you and all the other tax payers in blighty pay for those things aren't you?

 

[Tom]

Yes, and I don't care. We also paid over £1 000 000 000 for a stupid dome that not many people wanted.

 

[TdC]

in that case have at them

 

[old.user4556]

Good find Tom, although it's making angry inside the fact that I paid £60 for that fucking ludicrous "temporary 40 for safety" limit i was caught in.

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[Jonaldo]

That's a lot of destroyed cameras!

No wonder they're trying to fine more people as they've got to pay to repair/replace so many of them, pay to have any nearby paths/roads/walls/buildings restored, pay contractors to go out and repeat jobs they've already done to set the cameras up beforehand.

Go go moron drivers of the country who think they're doing something positive but are in fact costing taxpayers a shitload more than they need to.

 

[Durzel]

Do you honestly believe our taxes would go down if these people didn't vandalise them?

Did you by chance sneak a look at the expenses that MPs have recently been forced to divulge?

Believe me, it would not make one iota of difference whether these scameras were being vandalised or not, we'd still pay the same amount in taxes.

 

[nath]

Perhaps the money being spent on repairs might be spent better elsewhere though.

 

[Tom]

Perhaps the money being spent on repairs might be spent better elsewhere though.

Yes, by employing more traffic police and fewer cameras. Oh, but that makes less money (but safer roads). Win-win situation for everybody!

 

[Jonaldo]

Yes, by employing more traffic police and fewer cameras.

Would increase costs.

If less cameras were vandalised we could have a new dome built every year!

 

[Bullitt]

Do you honestly believe our taxes would go down if these people didn't vandalise them?

Did you by chance sneak a look at the expenses that MPs have recently been forced to divulge?

Believe me, it would not make one iota of difference whether these scameras were being vandalised or not, we'd still pay the same amount in taxes.

Whilst this may be true the vandalised cameras do present an easy excuse for them to raise the taxes. And possibly push for a change in the law so that speed cameras don't have to be clearly marked...which is a bit shit for all concerned.

It's mindless, ill thought out vandalism that morons enjoy whilst hiding behind false, pointless 'principles'.

Furthermore it's probably segregating the 'drivers' from the police/public. Creating a greater sense of hostility between the two.

In my ever so humble opinion both sides need to take some serious consideration in their actions; the police/councils/government need to take pro-active steps to improve road safety rather than thinking about generating revenue. And the drivers need to be a bit more reasonable in 'retaliation' taking more passive steps such as the website in Toms signature (http://www.safespeed.org.uk/main.html), rather than aggresive hostile actions.

Because it seems rather childish at the moment. Drive like a civilised human being and if this involves sticking to the speed limit then bite your fucking tongue and get the fuck on with your life, honestly

 

[nath]

Whilst this may be true the vandalised cameras do present an easy excuse for them to raise the taxes. And possibly push for a change in the law so that speed cameras don't have to be clearly marked...which is a bit shit for all concerned.

I thought clearly marking speed cameras was a fucking rediculous idea in the first place. Back when they weren't so easy to see, I'd stick to the speed limit because I knew they were around (they were signposted) but didn't know exactly where.

Now you can just slow down for the bright yellow thing, and speed up right after.

 

[Bullitt]

I was making more a point to the speed freaks out there that it could indeed be alot worse and they should be partially thankful for the fact they are clearly marked.

In an ideal world we wouldn't need any cameras whatsoever as people would drive sensibly and rationally - as opposed to bombing around like a maniac with severe penis envy.

 

[pcg79]

you seem to assume driving sensibly and rationally means not going faster than the limit?

 

[nath]

Well, if everyone drove sensibly then we wouldn't need the speed limit because anyone going faster would be doing so sensibly.

 

[pcg79]

touché

 

[Tom]

Well, if everyone drove sensibly then we wouldn't need the speed limit because anyone going faster would be doing so sensibly.

I think thats a good point, but do you think Speed cameras actually achieve their stated aim; to slow the average speed of traffic? Are there any statistics at all which show an improvement in driving standards as a direct result of speed cameras? Because I can't find any.

Don't you think its better for traffic police to take on that responsibility? An officer can use his discretion and actually foster respect amongst the community. A camera just takes a picture, and demands money. Thats why people destroy cameras, and not police cars.

 

[Bodhi]

I was making more a point to the speed freaks out there that it could indeed be alot worse and they should be partially thankful for the fact they are clearly marked.

In an ideal world we wouldn't need any cameras whatsoever as people would drive sensibly and rationally - as opposed to bombing around like a maniac with severe penis envy.

I'm sorry, but you seem utterly clueless as to what makes a safe and sensible driver. A sensible driver knows that there are time when you can speed and times when you can't (outside a school for example). If you allow your driving habits to be affected by an arbitary limit you may aswell just get a bumper sticker that says "I have no idea what I'm doing here by the way". I really hope you take public transport.

 

[nath]

Tom, I'm not saying nor have ever said that speed cameras are the best idea. Sure perhaps traffic police would be a better solution - I dunno, but as it stands, I don't really have a problem with speed cameras.

John, read my reply - he didn't necessarily mean sensible drivers don't speed, perhaps just that if every driver was sensible, speed wouldn't be an issue to worry about.

 

[Bullitt]

Yeah perhaps I was a little unclear, cheers for clearing that one up nath.

 

[Bodhi]

A little? Fucking hell, 3rd year degree level Astrophysics textbooks are clearer than that.

 

[nath]

Oh please, I understood it and I'm a computer science student, fgs.

 

[Jonaldo]

Gotta say I understood it and don't have a degree in anything.

 

[Bodhi]

Well it sounded like Bullitt was saying in an ideal world we wouldn't need camera because no-one would speed. Which completely contradicts what you said nath.

 

[JBP|]

he didn't necessarily mean sensible drivers don't speed, perhaps just that if every driver was sensible, speed wouldn't be an issue to worry about.

sorry but that isnt going to stop little johnny darting out infront of you to mug the old lady on the other side of the road

 

[GekuL]

You're a little preoccupied with little Johnny despite it being a shit argument. Or do you think speeding is ok in areas where children are likely to be?

 

[nath]

sorry but that isnt going to stop little johnny darting out infront of you to mug the old lady on the other side of the road

But sensible drivers know when to stick to the speed limit, the point being that there are times when it's not dangerous to speed. If everyone was a sensible driver, speed limits wouldn't be required as everyone would know when it's safe to driver faster than what had previously been the speed limits - residential areas not being one of them.

John: I don't think what Bullitt said sounded anything like that, but regardless - we've cleared up what he meant.

 

[Jonaldo]

Well it sounded like Bullitt was saying in an ideal world we wouldn't need camera because no-one would speed. Which completely contradicts what you said nath.

I thought he meant we would all be sitting naked in teepees smoking whilst playing old Donovan tracks on an out of tune acoustic guitar with only five strings. And women would all be beautiful and outnumber men five to one.

Guess I got the wrong end of the stick too probably the end that's been used to flick dog poo at the unpopular kid across the road