30mph limits illegal

[d1m3b4g]

Its surely about common sense and 95% of the general population having very little.

I am the same as bod where I drive over speed limits, but i do it where it is plainly safe to do so.

I did 120mph nearly all the way back from leeds to southampton with daz (durzel) in the car, and at no point was my driving unsafe. If the situation arose where I needed to slow down, I did. The problem is looking at how generally intelligent the majority of people are out there and the awareness they exhibit when on the road im pretty glad the speed limits are set at what they are. I know I am technically and mentally able to gauge what is safe and what isnt, pick up on hazards very quickly etc and deal with them... its just painful that the majority out there cant. Seeing as they are piloting a tonne of metal down a track at up to 70mph legally one would think they might be forced to be slightly more aware.

I passed a lady on the motorway yesterday, she was sat in the outside lane for what appeared to be no reason, doing about 65mph. When i cruised past her on the middle lane she didnt blink and eyelid, because she was sat admiring her hair in the rear view mirror at the time. These are the sort of people speed limits are made for.

Thing that gets me, you hit someone at 40mph as opposed to 60mph and you'll still kill them outright, obviously the odds change a miniscule amount but you wont hear of many people surviving a dead on 40mph smack. Speed limits of busy areas are there for a reason granted, but at certain times of the day it isnt out of the question to drive at say 60mph very safely down said road. (Im thinking about the avenue in southampton and also thomas lewis way in southampton for anyone that knows them)

Im all in favour of variable speed limits if its not obvious already. Siting one case, my dad got caught by a police speed trap doing 48 mph in a 40... it was half 8 at night with no one around in the middle of winter on a road going between two villages, so out in the country.
There is nothing stopping anyone driving safely at near 70mph down that certain road, and people do... which is why the camera crew is regularly there.

Gotta cater for the lowest common denominator really ;(


PS...

Also I've noticed that every one here with a hostile reply should calm the hell down. Just because the government sets a limit on a certain piece of road to control the speed... has it not crossed your mind that it might be a bit out of date? Cars are able to cruise at 90mph now, and they are able to break safely at this speed and keep the occupants safe. I am all for a 100mph speed limit on the motorways because I drive that fast (when its safe to do so) regardless. Just because people are allowed to drive that fast on a motorway as such (even at certain times of day only) will not mean that everyone will do it. It would be EXACTLY like it is now, some people will do it, like they are doing right now, others will chose not to.

My car can do this safely, I can drive this fast safely... so I do. And yeah I will get in trouble for it one day but thats my choice. How long has the 70 mph limit been in force and how far have cars and technology come in that space of time with no update at all? Laws are not keeping up with the technology and anyone who sits here and choses to act whiter than white like they've never done anything wrong, lashing out with personal insults digust me to the core. You offer nothing new to the conversation except to prove your head is firmly up your ass and that you can swear. Well done.

Dime

 

[Will]

Also I've noticed that every one here with a hostile reply should calm the hell down.

Just to clear up my reply...I wasn't having a go at Dys...I just hate the Daily Mail-ism "real criminals".

 

[Vae]

Funny how everyone on here is an excellent driver but the majority of people are really bad drivers...

Freddyshouse must be a solitary outpost of outstanding drivers unless those majority of people also consider themselves excellent drivers...

 

[d1m3b4g]

I was at the go karting track the other day and the guy was like... no professionals mate.

I said im not a professional.

He said well you should be.

I said nah thanks, im already making shitloads in computers.

 

[pcg79]

d1m3b4g i have to agree. i would drive faster than i do but the car i use isnt very powerful

D on the office quote too)!

 

[WPKenny]

I think they should make speed cameras and police speed checks VERY obvious. It doesn't make much money for the police but it's certainly a lot more preventative.

Let's assume Dys gets a ticket. Will he drive within the speed limit for the rest of his life? Or will he just be very distracted the next time he's out driving cos he's looking for speed cameras all the time?

It's the same with everyone. You only do things wrong if you're confident you won't get caught. If you think someone's looking then you don't do it. Make the police and camera presence as visible as possible.

The problem with raising the speed limit is that it gives people an excuse to drive even faster. Doing 100 mph these days is quite fast but it means that there'll be people who'll do 110 cos "it's only 10mph over the limit".
They're the same people who do 80mph now.

I also regard myself as a safe driver and I do go over the speed limit in areas where I feel it's safe to do so.

 

[d1m3b4g]

I disagree with that totally.

I dont drive 80mph because its "10 mph over the limit", I do it because my car will cruise with ease at that speed, the breaks and safety features on my car make it utterly safe to do so. If I want to take a "risk" and get a thrill out of driving i'll bomb down some remote country lane like its a rally course at 60mph, and thats even legal where national speed limit applies... and a fuck lot more dangerous.

I dont think anyone honestly gets a thrill out of deliberately driving over the limit because everyone does it anyway, its not exactly a major accomplishment and risk to drive 80mph on a motorway is it.

And those that did drive over the limit would be subject to the exact same fines and restrictions that are around now... i mean maybe people would be more willing for harsher fines and sentences to be put in place for those that do break the limit if it was raised.

As in a sort of compromise, like ok you can drive at 100mph but break that and we'll come down on you like a tonne of bricks. I'd sign up to that because I rarely go faster than 100 as it is anyway, its simply not safe to do so half the time. I'm not denying those sort of people must exist, but there are far easier and better ways to take a "risk" when driving to get a thrill than driving fast on a motorway

Isnt what you're saying a bit contradictory too?
I mean you said you drive faster than the limit because you can gauge its safe to do so... which is fine, i condone that totally... but wouldnt you prefer that the laws were changed so that you could drive that fast safely and not have to worry about flashing blue lights or a fine because of it?

 

[Durzel]

the point is you can safely navigate your way over a speed bump at 25-30 mph (if its on a 30mph road obviously)

there is absolutley no reason to jam on the anchors and cross it at 5mph (thats just fookin dangerous driving)

If I did that in my car I'd smash my front splitter clean off.

I have to slow down to a crawl to get over the bloody things.

 

[JBP|]

If I did that in my car I'd smash my front splitter clean off.

I have to slow down to a crawl to get over the bloody things.

well thats what you get for covering your car in super glue and driving it thru halfords

 

[Trem]

Curse of the Skyline Durzel

One thing I don't miss after selling mine, almost ripped the front off everytime I backed out my drive

 

[Trem]

well thats what you get for covering your car in super glue and driving it thru halfords

 

[JBP|]

blimey it was only a joke

 

[old.user4556]

Heh, was going to say - "im sure he's still driving the skyline".

Skylines are for hairdressers, wouldn't you agree Trem?








JK!!!!

 

[Trem]

blimey it was only a joke

I just like this smiley

 

[Trem]

Heh, was going to say - "im sure he's still driving the skyline".

Skylines are for hairdressers, wouldn't you agree Trem?








JK!!!!

Now I have sold mine I have to say...............................YES!!


Aye, you big poof Durzel

Actually Durz has the real deal, mine was a mere M Type

 

[Durzel]

No shame in the M-Type, they're all great cars!

 

[JBP|]

No shame in the M-Type, they're all great cars!

untill you get to the nearest speed bump it seems

 

[pcg79]

Now I have sold mine I have to say...............................YES!!


Aye, you big poof Durzel

Actually Durz has the real deal, mine was a mere M Type

this?

 

[Trem]

(bastard)

 

[.Wilier.]

Ive only just started reading this, and if Im covering old ground, then I apologise but some of the things people have written infuriate me to the point that I wonder if they are actually taking the piss and trying to wind others up.

Anyone, ANYONE who speeds in a built up area, no matter how good-a-driver they claim to be, needs their balls kicking back into their stomachs.

Im unlucky enough to have been involved in an accident, as a passenger, in which a child had both its legs broken. We were only doing 20 miles an hour and he ran out into the road. I felt sick at the time, and still do now when I think about the sickening thud as we hit the poor little sod. It wasnt our fault, but unless your completley heartless, you still blame yourself (and I wasnt even driving).

You can say that the child should have looked, and that his parents should have been supervising, but in all honesty, get real. Children are just that.... children, and at 3 years old they really dont know the danger of roads and cars. No matter how good a driver you are, and how great you think your "reading of the road" is, you can not predict the actions of a child.

So to all of you think your great because your "a good driver" and can do 40 in a 30 zone, I pity you and sincearly hope you never have to live with running a child (or an adult tbh) over. In fact, as sad as it would be, I wouldnt be too upset if you were to run off the road into a ditch and die a slow, painfull, lonely death.

 

[d1m3b4g]

No one ever questioned that speeding in a built up zone, especially with kids around was a stupid thing to do?

And yeah of course, children are children and will do what they do, but in a built up area 30mph is a "main road" and it is down to the parents to supervise a bloody 3 year old from running out into the road.

Obviously this cant be the case all the time, kids will stumble after balls etc, and I agree speed should really be kept down in built up areas. Still it does usually take an experience of something to understand it and learn from it.

"You can say that the child should have looked, and that his parents should have been supervising, but in all honesty, get real. Children are just that.... children, and at 3 years old they really dont know the danger of roads and cars. "

Yeah and whilst thats true, the thing is what would you or your mate have done diferrently? You were going at said 20mph, not speeding, in control, and the kid still got both its legs broken... it totally wasnt your fault. If you had been going faster then yeah it would have probably died but it didnt right?

I think that really is the worst thing about this whole debate, no matter how good you or anyone else is at driving the problem comes with the people that can't hack it, i think there really should be some compulsary hazard testing / motorway driving thrown into learning.

The main point of this thread, or at least what its turned into was that variable limits would probably be a good idea and upping or removing the limit on motorways was also mentioned.

Back to work.

Dime

 

[WPKenny]

I disagree with that totally.

I dont drive 80mph because its "10 mph over the limit", I do it because my car will cruise with ease at that speed, the breaks and safety features on my car make it utterly safe to do so. If I want to take a "risk" and get a thrill out of driving i'll bomb down some remote country lane like its a rally course at 60mph, and thats even legal where national speed limit applies... and a fuck lot more dangerous.

I dont think anyone honestly gets a thrill out of deliberately driving over the limit because everyone does it anyway, its not exactly a major accomplishment and risk to drive 80mph on a motorway is it.

And those that did drive over the limit would be subject to the exact same fines and restrictions that are around now... i mean maybe people would be more willing for harsher fines and sentences to be put in place for those that do break the limit if it was raised.

As in a sort of compromise, like ok you can drive at 100mph but break that and we'll come down on you like a tonne of bricks. I'd sign up to that because I rarely go faster than 100 as it is anyway, its simply not safe to do so half the time. I'm not denying those sort of people must exist, but there are far easier and better ways to take a "risk" when driving to get a thrill than driving fast on a motorway

Isnt what you're saying a bit contradictory too?
I mean you said you drive faster than the limit because you can gauge its safe to do so... which is fine, i condone that totally... but wouldnt you prefer that the laws were changed so that you could drive that fast safely and not have to worry about flashing blue lights or a fine because of it?

You've mis-interpreted what I said. What I meant was that a lot of people only have the balls to go a certain way over the speed limit. They want to go faster, cos they feel it's safe to do so but they also are worried about getting caught speeding. The further you are over the limit, the greater the penalty/fine etc. So if the limit was 100mph you'd find a lot of people who were doing 80 before, would now be doing 110 or so.

An example would be a long straight road, well lit, late at night, completely deserted...but the posted speed is 30mph. Now there's not many people who would be driving down that at 60 even if they felt safe doing so because it's considered "not worth it" if they were to get caught.

I'm not the best at explaining things at times but from my perspective, that's how I see most people acting.

 

[Bullitt]

If you had been going faster then yeah it would have probably died but it didnt right?

'It' is a child, ie a he or she...not a bloody 'it'.

Maybe that's part of the problem,(not aimed at you dime) as soon as some people start their motors they become completely detached from the fact that there are other people out there, in those other cars.

 

[Elenos]

Driving at speed in a restricted zone does make you a dangerous driver.

Driving within the limit in a restricted zone does not make you a safe driver.

some people seem to be forgetting the first few fundamental statments put to them by their driving instructor.

1) All other drivers are complete idiots, you cannot and should not rely on them to turn in the direction of their signal, or signal in the direction of their turn. You must always anticipate that the driver next to you or in front of you or behind you is gonna to do something completely and utterly ridiculous at any moment.

2) as a general rule keep death off the roads and drive on the pavement. This means that you are more likely to cause an accident by looking at the pavement, or by something comming at you from the pavement. You cannot predict this at no matter what speed you are doing, if you are going to hit the thing in front, you are going to hit it. The choice you make is how hard you would like to hit to the object and how much damage you want to do to your car.

3) and finally the big one. on my first lesson i was told " Congratulations, you are sitting behind the biggest killing machine man has ever invented. The sole purpose of this lump of metal is to drive into people and kill them. If you fail in your task then no-one will no about you. As soon as you complete your task, everyone will know and hate you as much as is possible, human or otherwise."

Driving at speed does garuntee arriving at your destination sooner. Driving slower does not garuntee that you arrive there any safer than if you drive at speed.

 

[nath]

'It' is a child, ie a he or she...not a bloody 'it'.

Well to be fair, Willier didn't actually specify.

 

[Jonaldo]

Well to be fair, Willier didn't actually specify.

Seems to me in this paragraph...

Im unlucky enough to have been involved in an accident, as a passenger, in which a child had both its legs broken. We were only doing 20 miles an hour and he ran out into the road. I felt sick at the time, and still do now when I think about the sickening thud as we hit the poor little sod.

...he does indeed specify that it was a boy.

I think that if those variable limits were to come into play then they would have to change at least 2-3 hours before and after any rush hour traffic, or people would just leave a little earlier so they could make use of the increased speed limits.
Then more would also leave earlier, then more and soon we would just have a new rush hour, only a little earlier and later, with traffic moving even faster.

 

[Tom]

hehe

This closeup shows it was burnt to a crisp.

UPDATE - Like all vandalised Gatsos in the area it was replaced shortly afterwards but the new camera has since been blown up using dynamite. See the other forms of destruction page for picture.

I love it.

 

[Gray]

yeaah.. they did that over on the Runcorn Bridge when roadworks were on... I think it may of been a revenge attack because when they first went up, there was a speed limit of 20mph put inplace, but no signs was up... So instead people was doing normal speed (40mph) and all got zapped

 

[mookie]

speeding *and* criminal damage. great!

*runs*

 

[Gray]

haha, just noticed there is some of Runcorn on there, Preston Brook - down the road from were i live.. thats the posh area tho ffs as far as i know!

I like the Revenue ones... interesting indeed :/