2010 UK General Election Predictions

[CorNokZ]

Did David Cameron win?

 

[Everz]

Hung parliament afaik?

Who gives a fuck i'm outta here in a year .

 

[Mauness]

yup its a hung parliament, now its down to who'll get into bed with who

 

[Ch3tan]

Well well well. BNP lost despite all the crap talked. Conservatives didnt pull it off - outright majority - and the strong posibilty of a lib/lab pact.

Excellent.

As Marc says, i wouldnt trust a tory government to look after the interests of the poor and weak in society, it goes against everything they stand for. Policies like the death duty changes just make it as clear as day exactly what they stand for and i for one would support a pact with the devil rather than see another tory government in power again.

Regards the electoral system, i think this election has shown exactly why the entire system needs to be changed, root abd branch. A party that has gotten 36% of the all votes can honestly claim that they have received the mandate of the people to govern (Tories). Labour in all honesty not much better.

PR would resolve these issues properly. The number of seats that i saw were the vote was split between lab and lib's letting a tory in is just silly.

Anyway let the games begin and lets see how can put something together and do it fast.

You do realise that under PR tories would have won outright?

also it's clear you have not been keeping up with the news, Clegg is being true to his word and the tories and lib dems have been in talks over a coalition.

Even if the coalition fails, I believe Cameron will forge ahead with a minority government for 6 - 12 months before calling another election.

 

[Ch3tan]

Did David Cameron win?

Yes, but due to Labour having fiddled the voting system for the last 13 years, it was not a big enough majority.

Basically each vote for Labour counts for more than each Tory and Lib Dem vote. So much for democracy under our socialist overlords!

 

[tierk]

You do realise that under PR tories would have won outright?

How earth did you come out with that conclusion? Figures certainly do not back you up. 36% of the vote equates to 36% of the seats unless i am mistaken? Well that is not a prcise figure but feel free to read the link below.

http://www.politics.co.uk/briefings-guides/issue-briefs/legal-and-constitutional/proportional-representation-$366642.html

also it's clear you have not been keeping up with the news, Clegg is being true to his word and the tories and lib dems have been in talks over a coalition.

Funnily enough i do /did know that seeing as it is plastered across pretty much every newspaper or web site the world over. You are just responding late to my post

Yes, but due to Labour having fiddled the voting system for the last 13 years, it was not a big enough majority. Basically each vote for Labour counts for more than each Tory and Lib Dem vote. So much for democracy under our socialist overlords!

What are you on about fiddling the voting system? If it is about the boundaries being adjusted and changed, you will find that it is not done by the government but rather......


Boundary Commission for England

The Boundary Commission for England is an advisory Non-Departmental Public Body funded by the Ministry of Justice. The Commission is required by the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986 (as amended) to keep the parliamentary constituencies in England under continuous review and periodically, every 8 to 12 years, to conduct a general review of all constituencies in England at the same time and submit to the Secretary of State a report showing the constituencies they recommend.

Once again i stress the fact that from 100% of people that voted only 36% voted for the Tories, now in your book that seems to be a victory.

64% of people don't agree with you.

A more representative system of how people actual vote then this, quite frankly, shit system we use today would be far better. I would also hazard a guess that it has also partially led, amongest many other factors, to the extreme voter apathy for politics, politicians and the whole electoral system.

 

[Zenith.UK]

People are making a foolish mistake by voting for the Conservatives. I just hope the same people don't moan about it when the country is in disarray after five years.

Okay, I'll take the bait.
Explain to me, in detail, why voting Conservative is a "foolish mistake".


I'll be absolutely straight. The UK is economically in a dire situation. Labour's preferred way to get through financial difficulty is to tax less, borrow more and spend more. As a result of this policy, the UK's deficit is over £900billion and projected to grow by £178billion this year. £42billion alone is interest payments on outstanding loans. All the parties have been disingenuous during this election campaign by not telling the public the scale of the national debt. They talk of saving £6billion here, £2billion there and savings of about £15billion. That means £15billion from that £178billion increase... the debt is still going up by over £160billion per year!!! It will top out at over £1,000,000,000,000 this year. That's a million million pounds.

Greece has had to admit defeat, call in the EU and IMF and introduce austerity legislation. Look what's happened. National wildcat strikes, civil disobedience, riots and a run on greek currency. Spain, Portugal and Ireland might follow Greece if the money markets stay shaky.

And in all probability so will the UK.

So we need a Government that will take the difficult decisions and force through MAJOR structural changes in the UK's public sector.
It will mean a degradation of education, healthcare and policing.
It will mean higher tax rates.
It will mean that the UK will no longer be a major player on the world stage.

This is likely to happen NO MATTER WHO IS IN CHARGE.

So tell me again, why is voting Conservative so bad?

 

[Corran]

People are making a foolish mistake by voting for the Conservatives. I just hope the same people don't moan about it when the country is in disarray after five years.

The country is in disarray now.
The country was in disarray a year ago
a country was in disarray 2 years ago

the country has been in disarray for a long time and that is whilst under Labour. Conservatives wont improve the country, but hopefully they can stem the downhill motion the country has been in for awhile.

To be honest, a coalition between Tories and Libs is probably the best outcome anyone could have asked for from the election. With luck they take a full coalition (doubt it though) which means Libs need to keep ontop of the Tories odd crazy idea so that they dont get thrown in on the bad image from them.
Labour though are just crazy, if they had sense they would have replaced Brown before the election as he has had a massive part on the downturn of the parties image.

 

[Corran]

Labour have fucked the people plenty in the past couple years... what you mean is labour is for those that never want to work when they got no reason not to, Conservatives arent!

I stand by my view though.. all the governments as a whole dont care about the people much at all, hence why they rarely stick to what they say they will do. If they did care about people and their views then they would make it so they are legally bound by their pledges, to the degree that if they do not carry them out they face imprisonment for misleading the voters - and by imprisonment I mean at least 3 years.

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By the way, I voted conservative as did my missus and her family. Reason - we are not happy with labour and know that any vote that we make does not matter because there is a 50-60% labour majority in Scottish regions.
It why normally i wouldnt bother to vote, it would make no difference and as I dont think any the parties are good enough ... but just voted out of principle this time to show that I think labour have done a shit job.

But Dori, no point chatting with you. You not got the discussion attitude (as you shown by going right into insulting anyone that dont agree with your last line), and you gonna get banned soon anyways.
So if you cant actually give proper reasons for your comments as was requested then dont bother coming in with the insults.

 

[Raven]

Careful, he will post his woeful thid stats.

 

[Corran]

Careful, he will post his woeful thid stats.

would take not being banned by that time

 

[Ch3tan]

Yes, the tories look after those who work and contribute to society.

 

[Marc]

Yes, perfectly illustrated by the state of the country under Thatcher's rule .

Let me guess. Pit closures?

 

[Corran]

Yes, perfectly illustrated by the state of the country under Thatcher's rule .

She may have done some bad (alot of it localised in the mining towns etc mind you) - but she done things that helped the country in the long term also.

I trust all politicians the same.. in that i dont trust them ... but Labour has plunged us into so much debt that they happily keep increasing at the cost of the countries long term sustainability we are fucked long term. Tories getting power will aim to control this debt, we people will need to be taxed more I fear to do so, but better to be taxed now then to be crippled in a few years. (I will bitch about increased taxes, but that my right! As long as they filter it to the right places unlike Labour)

Another thing is that Labour has been making us more and more an EU controlled country. You say they think about "the people", so where was the referendum on handing EU powers they promised? They claim it wasnt the same thing, but when "the people" requested the right to vote on the matter they didnt allow it and went against "the people" and handed over alot of power to the EU legislators. It now to the point where the "EU government" has as much right to change our laws as we do. . . . and considering the mockery that alot of EU countries are in I am afraid of what happening wrong term.

One thing I think that the Tories should look into (or whoever has power after this malarky) is how we go about returning the right to govern this country, to the people of the country. Stop EU interfering in every area of life and law.

Im not against being part the EU, just against them being able to set so many laws (alot of which we seem to no longer be able to veto).
Least we know cameron wont be stupid enough to enter the Euro currency... Brown (and labour_ still comes across as wanting to get us into it in the end.