1.87E - BD, ML9 nerf...

[Azathrim]

Theurgs don't need a nerf FFS.

Yes they do FFS!




Aah... the joy of arguments in kindergarten!

PS: You suck!

 

[Huntingtons]

Yes they do FFS!




Aah... the joy of arguments in kindergarten!

PS: You suck!

cept that he's lying and you telling the truth

 

[Moaning Myrtle]

cept that he's lying and you telling the truth

No, I posted my opinion - therefore I can't be lying. Go to school did you n00b? :touch:

 

[Garok]

Doubleing the cast time for pets would sort them out tbh.

 

[Azathrim]

No, I posted my opinion - therefore I can't be lying. Go to school did you n00b? :touch:

Dunno if Huntingtons went to school. Obviously you still go to school. Although you don't seem to attend it much.

Btw, your oppinion sucks. Theurgists needs a nerf. Badly.

 

[enkor]

He is probably refering to tests done where a fully buffed lvl 50 ML9 summ sm was attacked by a naked unbuffed lvl 50 zerker in melee which "convincingly" proved that the intercept rate wasn't 50%.......

either its 50% or its not, why should buffs/whatever matter if "50%, period"?

 

[Darzil]

He is probably refering to tests done where a fully buffed lvl 50 ML9 summ sm was attacked by a naked unbuffed lvl 50 zerker in melee which "convincingly" proved that the intercept rate wasn't 50%.......

Well, these ones by Puppet were a partially buffed summ sm and a non naked unbuffed zerker, and a fully buffed summ sm and a buffed shammy. https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=172785

As a couple of people said in the thread, there are improvements that could be made to the test, but they certainly proved there isn't a 50% cap.

I think the clearest evidence will be how many people decide to choose a level 50 non intercepting pet over a level 44 intercepting one.

Darzil

 

[Eregion]

Probably the nicest patch in a long long time. Better late then never I guess.

 

[knighthood]

Rather it was never tbh . Rate were going here with all these super improvements u may as well just give all classes an instant kill everything button for pve .

 

[Bonehead]

sorcs are now uber farmers with access to level 50 salamanders and ml9 buff. wow that is going to make arties and scroll farming insanely easy.

What he said. Level 50 salamander, buffed by 50 Ench bot, Heretic dmg shield, Friar heal proc.. Is there anything they CAN'T kill?

 

[Keitan]

sweet skald changes! and as i just got mine lvl 50 on tristan!! Woohooooooo gonna make a sm or summat now tho

 

[Bonehead]

Shaman

- A new group endurance regeneration chant has been added to the Augmentation spell line. It will follow the same level progression as the existing concentration based endurance regeneration in the Augmentation spell line.

2 Minor Earth Vivification
12 Lesser Earth Vivification
22 Earth Vivification
32 Greater Earth Vivification
42 Superior Earth Vivification

Does this mean they removed the conc version of mid End buff or do they get both?

If it's changed to a chant with no conc buff, that is a big pve nerf for the lvl 20 chars xping their char with a lvl 50 bb..

Oh, and with this ML9 change, isn't it fair to let necros have access to Convoker ML9 now?

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Horners going to need another Bot

 

[Azathrim]

Oh, and with this ML9 change, isn't it fair to let necros have access to Convoker ML9 now?

Nope.

Necros are already getting a major buff in this patch. They were already unkillable 1v1 by a melee class. Now they will be really hard 1v1 for a magic using class too.

 

[Raven]

Have to correct this common mistake.
The SM pet intercept rate is 50%

lol

 

[Kami]

Skald changes are a disappointment to say the least. We're not minstrels so I don't see why they've giving us the minstrel ablative. They need to look at both classes and sort them out from a unique grouping point of view not copy bits off each - easy solution in Mythic's eyes I guess.

So I won't what Minstrels will get off Skalds.. not much they don't already have access too other than the melee damage. I can bet it won't be anything particularly useful to minstrels anyway

BD "nerf" isn't much of a nerf, they've got a lot of love lately and I think you can get a pretty damn powerful BD out there now and have a choice of good specs.

Lack of meat in this patch though, other than ML9 nerf there aren't any ground breaking changes..

well other than xp zones, will help me level my new hib chars when I get home next week..

 

[cmr]

BD "nerf" isn't much of a nerf, they've got a lot of love lately and I think you can get a pretty damn powerful BD out there now and have a choice of good specs.

I really wish people without a clue would stop posting stuff about bonedancers

Bds used to be all about 4 sec lifetap and 5 sec body debuff to interupt

now the lifetap is 8 sec and debuff doesnt interupt its changed the whole dynamic of the class and now you have to spec 50 darkness and go pure dps for groups or nothing.

The darkness pet love is nice but from what ive heard the pets only nuke from 800 range for around 100, and if they are as fast as they used to be then they arnt that great. If they nuke with the commander from 1500 range that would be great for the class and make it viable, but we will have to see how well it works. If 50 darkness doesnt work then the class isnt going to be great and your better off with another class.

Suppression line with the nerf is now quite useless, a small bit of survivability and not worth speccing high in anymore

 

[Gamah]

Time to roll a bonedancer! :E please warhammer htfu.

 

[Ctuchik]

Suppression line with the nerf is now quite useless, a small bit of survivability and not worth speccing high in anymore

is that also something u have "heard"?

 

[SkarIronfist]

BD "nerf" isn't much of a nerf, they've got a lot of love lately and I think you can get a pretty damn powerful BD out there now and have a choice of good specs.

Alot of the changes that have happend recently that I think you refer to as BD love. Has happened to a number of pet classes. In preperation for the ML9 change.

So changes for the BD which are separate are lvl 40 specialist commander. Group absorb buff, which merely saves time casting individual abs buffs, plus of course the change to 8 sec for the LT and loss of the deuff as an interupt.

I try not to comment on classes I don't play, since you don't tend to know the spec lines and combinations that are available. Maybe you should do the same.

 

[Darzil]

Does this mean they removed the conc version of mid End buff or do they get both?

I think got both, as they said it was added, not that it replaced conc buff.

Darzil

 

[Flimgoblin]

can't say much for what tactics/specs will be good now if you're a bonedancer but hopefully the "spin around in circles, drop TWF and spam the lifetap" tactic will be a thing of the past...

 

[SkarIronfist]

can't say much for what tactics/specs will be good now if you're a bonedancer but hopefully the "spin around in circles, drop TWF and spam the lifetap" tactic will be a thing of the past...

Well given that I have TWF1 that I doubt it would annoy you much. More likely to use ML1 and 9, saving the mighty TWF 1 for later. Oh and the reason for dropping TWF at your feet is ..... you are guaranteed to not have any issues with terrain /GTAOE target setting.

TWF is overhyped unless you spend alot of time in towers/bridges/keeps.

 

[cmr]

is that also something u have "heard"?

having played bonedancer as my main class since its release in every type of situation id say i know what im talking about, but if you think its worth going all the way upto 48 for healers pets and a 123 damage lifetap on an 8 second timer then go right ahead. Thats somthing you are 100% certain on in the patch notes, for things such as pets you have to rely on info from american players, so i dont know why your posting arsey comments for no reason, i guess your just a prick

 

[Leahc]

Hope mid finally shut it about not having a pet spam class, cause they can go 34 darkness and 40 sum and get a ml9 buffed sallie with focuss shield hmmm ;d

Pet spam ... LOL. Please list how this can be compared to Animist Shrooms or Theurg pets? And what use Midgard will have from this in seige situations?

Finnally the most focking anoying shit char got nerfed to shit

Thought that was the Warlock tbh ^^

I guess some still do not know how to handle BD's, what about trying LGW's against em or something. To hit a PD5 BD with ordinary weapons is simply stupid. It is not like they where godlike or anything imo, just few classes having trouble against it - like tanks have trouble with casters and melee have trouble against Necros ...

4sec LT to 8sec LT = 50% dps reduction = 50% less heal in return. With no upward adjustment of the LT dvelve or looking at the huge powerconsumption - the one and only good rvr spec for this class is now broken.

Darkness sub pets screwing up mezz all over the place, no thanks.

Good work Mythic, what class to ruin next?

 

[SkarIronfist]

is that also something u have "heard"?

Since the US have only had the patch 1.87D/1.87E since last Friday and Tuesday, there really hasn't been alot of time for Testing & Feedback, so regardless of any feedback the patch goes in tomorrow.

Its also very diffcult to test pets to see what they do when you have up to 4. The problems are not when you are testing attacking a single person. But when you are fighting multiple people, who may or may not be snaring, mezzing your pets.

The testing the BD team lead has done, is not showing good results. We are back to having a split spec (without the special new commanders at 40) or high dark low supp (losing the absorb buff that supp BD provided), either way the class loses its 75% of interupt facility. We don't talk about Bone Army since its still a leper.

 

[Ballard]

bonedancers deserve to be nerfed into uselessness for awhile. They have been overpowered for too long. Unfortunately they will still be more effective than many other classes. (i.e mentalists, friars) after this patch but that wont stop the BD players from bitching thats for sure.