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[klavrynd]

I don't think Shaman heals are any different to Warden heals, afaik bards, friars, pallys, wardens, shamans all heal for pretty much the same amounts? Sure a warden can spec healing higher, but that's like a friar speccing rejuv higher, how many do? sod all.

-bard and warden have 1.5x specpoints vs the 1.0x from shaman
-pallies don't heal (you cant call that chant of theirs heal imo)
- friars arent support characters, they're lean mean ninjakilling machines that can heal, whereas warden is a real support class (you're on the naturalist hp and damage table, seriously how many damage does a warden do?)

Yes, a warden can tank, but thats thanks to his medium shield, pbt, selfbuffs possibility to spec a weapon.

How many wardens spec further then the tauntstyle? You give up some lousy damage for bigger heals. (considering you can get 49 nurt for all buffs, 6 weapon for taunt, 42 regrowth for last spec heal , and 12 parry)

Add that in your average hib team you have at least 3 classes that can effectivly heal without giving up their "job" in a fight
(after mezzing a bard heals, running with pbt on and casted all reisstance buffs a warden heals and a druid, well he heals)

 

[klavrynd]

I'm fining you 1 banana because now I'm going to have to write it myself'

allmost fell of my chair here

 

[Flimgoblin]

you know.. healers can heal...

it's true

 

[klavrynd]

hey,so can clerics. what a surprise:great:

 

[old.Glendower]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
You're a sad, little man, Glendower...

And you are a shrivelled little neutered troll who doesn't have the brains to string a paragraph together. Much less argue coherently. Go back to your porn, loser.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Falcon
Klav - Warden heals are dire already, ever been healed by one. Gazz heals for a hefty 70hp if he gets a lucky crit heal in ?

Thanatlos heals for over 300 every time and he's a warden, just cos all the wardens you know gimped their healing doesn't mean all wardens suck at it. Regrowth/nurt warden, 41reg/35nurt druid and bard is all you need for support in a hib group leaving ample room for chanters.

Originally posted by Falcon
Add that in your average hib team you have at least 3 classes that can effectivly heal without giving up their "job" in a fight.

Holy cow klav is right for once!
Yes hib has an extremely good set of support classes, you have 3 healers plus speed, ae CC, pbt, full buffs, end regen, power regen (for the few bards that can actually use a flute! ), and root (usually only single target or a short AE) on 3 classes, leaving 5 slots open for damage dealers.

Falcon you are dead wrong in saying hib doesn't have the best 3 support classes, cleric+minstrel+sorc is nothing like as powerful as warden+bard+druid - you loose out on buffs, end regen and pbt vs the hib group and only have one healer instead of 3. Granted most bards can't heal thatwell, but their baseline heals sure beat a sorcerer or minstrel for healing.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by old.Glendower
And you are a shrivelled little neutered troll who doesn't have the brains to string a paragraph together. Much less argue coherently. Go back to your porn, loser.

Calling somebody a "lying whore" is 'arguing coherently'?
Ahahaha! You got me there, sorry.

Let me try... stfu u good damn no-life, whinging, old goat.
There - let the coherent arguing commence, fuckbrains.

You have re-defined the term "white trash" for me. kthx

 

[Shike]

love it when hibs claim they need more power

 

[Damon_D]

Mid is the only realm with only 2 healing classes.. And Falcon your to dumb to spit at... nuff said...

 

[old.Kal]

Falcon your insane....and thats all Ive got to say about thaaaaeett...

 

[old.Glendower]

Wow!

Nice illustration of your minimal intelectual, spelling, and grammar prowess there, Sick-Boy! Thanks Next time get your mummy to proofread for you.


But just for you...

Fact 1: Sanya's statement regarding the player and TL reaction to the stae of Hib classes and balance attempts in this patch is a big, fat lie. Go read the Warden, Champ, Bard, and Animist TL reports and threads to see for yourself (but be warned! They contain many big words!)

Fact 2: Sanya used to write all kinds of negative crap about Mythic under a psuedonym before she went to work for them, and now all she does is bleat thier praises and/or spout off whatever lies and other nonsense she is told to just for a paycheck. This is the equivalent of moral and intellectual prostitution; therefore she is correctly labeled a "whore". If she was a man, the correct term would be "gigilo". Neither term necessarily refers to sexual acts, as you would know if you had any education whatever.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Got any bread?

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Damon Doombring
Mid is the only realm with only 2 healing classes.. And Falcon your to dumb to spit at... nuff said...

Friar, Cleric...

Don't tell me you're including body cabalists? or paladin heal chant?
(in which case we'd have to include spiritmasters)

 

[old.Tohtori]

Originally posted by old.Glendower

Fact 2: Sanya used to write all kinds of negative crap about Mythic under a psuedonym before she went to work for them, and now all she does is bleat thier praises and/or spout off whatever lies and other nonsense she is told to just for a paycheck.

Or... Sanya might have posted crap about Mythic before she got a job there and noticed how things REALLY work.

It's called waking up and smelling ze coffe.

I had thoughts about games and how they should be made before i got a job as a dev, now i know that it's not just pish posh let's throw out a game. It's freaking hell at times and the players are usually not helping.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Glendower
Fact 1: Sanya's statement regarding the player and TL reaction to the stae of Hib classes and balance attempts in this patch is a big, fat lie. Go read the Warden, Champ, Bard, and Animist TL reports and threads to see for yourself (but be warned! They contain many big words!)

Also mentalist...

Originally posted by old.Glendower
Fact 2: Sanya used to write all kinds of negative crap about Mythic under a psuedonym before she went to work for them, and now all she does is bleat thier praises and/or spout off whatever lies and other nonsense she is told to just for a paycheck. This is the equivalent of moral and intellectual prostitution; therefore she is correctly labeled a "whore". If she was a man, the correct term would be "gigilo". Neither term necessarily refers to sexual acts, as you would know if you had any education whatever.

Welcome to the real world... Most people prefer to call it "PR", "advertising" or "spin doctoring" rather than lies though.
FWIW apparently mythic are planning to do more class fixes as part of the upcoming RvR expansion (so says one of the TLs), make what of that you will.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by old.Glendower
- the usual inane drivel -

Sanya's rants about Mythic? I remember the Tweety rants were referring to Verrant's Everquest. Prove me wrong, whingebag.

Your wife must have a hell of a time if you treat every aspect of life with the same passion as you treat a... game.

You really are a sad, little man.


And before you tell others how to spell... it's Gigolo. Not Gigilo, Mr. Slang.

 

[Falcon]

Danyan, you missed a horrifying amount of points in your response to me. If a Hib group wants to have Speed and End Regen or Power Regen and End Regen at once, and also have AE Mezz and AE Root they need 2 bards and 2 druids. Face it, 2 forms of CC are immensly important with the availability of determination and purge to tanks and the mezz buffs on sorcs.

Albs however can have the same with Sorc, Cleric, Paladin, Minstrel and at the same time have the bonus of one of them being a pure tank, one being able to nuke/DoT well, two capable of having pets. Minstrel capable of meleeing well, also availability of ablative chance, also single target stun and mezz available.

Now sure you can add a Warden to the group and say hey, Hibs have PBT! (nerfed in 1.62 anyway), but er, what's stopping Albs adding a theurg and doing the same? Fact is for Hibs to have the utility of Albs in their group they have to have 2 lots of 2 duplicate classes, Albs can have 4 seperate classes which can all add unique roles to the group and help it out.

Hib were powerful for a while, in a time where mezz stuck and stayed, Mid didn't have PBAE, Alb PBAE was slower casting. Hib was the only realm with end regen but nowadays the other realms have all that - and better. Fact is Hibs in last place now, if only people were capable of realising that instead of rediculously stating Hib's overpowered still. Only last hopes we have are BAoD and Group Purge, how long before Mid and Alb get them too with all the whining they do about them and Mythic's anti-Hibernia stance.

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
Friar, Cleric...

Don't tell me you're including body cabalists? or paladin heal chant?
(in which case we'd have to include spiritmasters)

Hmm I bet its easier to find a pally who can rezz than a SM who can rezz ..Having a tank that can rezz is a big bonus in my book

 

[mavericky]

Originally posted by Falcon
Danyan, you missed a horrifying amount of points in your response to me. If a Hib group wants to have Speed and End Regen or Power Regen and End Regen at once, and also have AE Mezz and AE Root they need 2 bards and 2 druids. Face it, 2 forms of CC are immensly important with the availability of determination and purge to tanks and the mezz buffs on sorcs.

If you think like that for a midgard group we would need 2 healers (1Pac for CC, 1 mend for healing) 2 Shaman (1aug for buffing/end, 1 cave for AOE root CC) 1 Skald (speed) 1 Runie (pbt), So we are now upto 6 with no high damage output class in there.

Oh and most of the CC is negated by group purge and BAoD

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by Damon Doombring
Hmm I bet its easier to find a pally who can rezz than a SM who can rezz ..Having a tank that can rezz is a big bonus in my book

he was talking about classes that where able to heal, NOT about classes that can res

 

[bracken_woodman]

Hibs and Mids arguing about who's been nerfed ? Love the irony...

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by Addlcove
he was talking about classes that where able to heal, NOT about classes that can res

Hmm why did he mention the SM then ??? a SM cant heal , except his own pet.. Ohh you mean life-TRANSFER..who leaves the SM with less hp.. that aint healing.. no hp's is re-generated there my friend

 

[old.Glendower]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)


And before you tell others how to spell... it's Gigolo. Not Gigilo, Mr. Slang.

This coming from the dumbass who cannot spell "whine" (at least we are guessing that is what you meant). But oddly, my dictionary also has the "i" spelling, so piss off.

And this is also a service (atually several services), not just a game. But then again, that issue is probably beyond your rat-like powers of comprehension...much like the concept that a statement of observation/opinion is not "argument".

Sanya's rants were simply because she worked for the competition, and now they stopped due to her current employment. Her sense of commitment extends to her next paycheck, if that.

Since you are the one claiming she never mentioned anything about Mythic, why dont you prove your position instead of spouting more of your empty tripe? Oh...forgot, YOU CAN'T, that's why. All you can do is bluster inanely and misspell various sorts of personal attacks that are based on your own self-delusions and feelings of inadequacy.

Your pointless trolling and off-topic attacks beside, Danyan is quite right in pointing out there are several other TLs than those I listed who are also a bit aghast at Sanya's statement that all is wonderful in La-La Land. Her statement also makes it clear that the staff will be pimping thier expansion plans, etc at the upcoming conference, so we can kiss off any further developments for a week or two after that. See you then.

Oh.... And I do not think you will ever have to worry about what being married is like due your attractive, charming and witty personality. If you speak anything like the way you write, the only way you could get a date is if you picked them up at a mental hospital or went and bought one off the street (assuming you save your allowance long enough). Of course, your sister and cousins dont count, so dont throw that back in my face

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Interesting dictionary you've got there...

Truck... lorry... soda... pop... whine... whinge?

Look up "wankstain" to make sure I spelled it properly.
That's another insult that comes to mind when reading your blabber.

Thank you for the profiling by the way.
Just like you I am married - but that's the only thing we might have in common.
My windows aren't blocked with cardboard, I have no leftover food/used plates all over the place etc. as seen on Widescreen
in the rl picture thread...

I am not living on the dole like you, having time to spend all day on playing mmorpg's I don't like or surfing the internet to whinge like a baby on various forums.

I work about 50 hours a week and play the game because I like it and I like most of the people I am playing it with.

It's a past time. Not a job. And that is how the majority of people treat it. I used to play Everquest... talk about bugged classes/general bugs. I still enjoyed it.

Say about GOA what you want - they are doing their job properly.
Server uptime for example.. I can count on one hand how many times their servers have been down in 1.5 years.

You are just a bitter, little man and I bet nothing can really satisfy your childish "I want and I want it now or else!" attitude.
Maybe you should have a good look at your life before you attempt to slag off mine, fuckwit.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Falcon
Danyan, you missed a horrifying amount of points in your response to me. If a Hib group wants to have Speed and End Regen or Power Regen and End Regen at once, and also have AE Mezz and AE Root they need 2 bards and 2 druids. Face it, 2 forms of CC are immensly important with the availability of determination and purge to tanks and the mezz buffs on sorcs.

Well technically Albs needs 2 sorcs (or sorc/theurg) for ae root and ae mezz as they're on different lines. If a sorc is specced for mez, then their root will be about as effective as a mixed spec druid's.
Speed+power or speed+end can be twisted by the bard, generally if you're fighting you need end not speed or power and if you're not fighting you need speed or power. Twisting out of combat isn't particularly hard so one bard can fulfill all those roles.

Originally posted by Falcon
Albs however can have the same with Sorc, Cleric, Paladin, Minstrel and at the same time have the bonus of one of them being a pure tank, one being able to nuke/DoT well, two capable of having pets. Minstrel capable of meleeing well, also availability of ablative chance, also single target stun and mezz available.

Paladin is a hybrid tank, not a pure tank.
Sorcs that can mezz and ae root can't dot for crap - dots are matter, root is body, mez is mind, sorcs get 1.0 spec points they can't do everything. Mind sorcs can't even nuke particularly well.
Minstrel with pet, ha! Also charm negates ablative chant and mez for minstrel.
Stun isn't all that relevant as it's on the damage dealers in Hib (either slam or hib caster baseline), so lack of stun on the support is a non-issue.

Originally posted by Falcon
Hib were powerful for a while, in a time where mezz stuck and stayed, Mid didn't have PBAE, Alb PBAE was slower casting. Hib was the only realm with end regen but nowadays the other realms have all that - and better. Fact is Hibs in last place now, if only people were capable of realising that instead of rediculously stating Hib's overpowered still. Only last hopes we have are BAoD and Group Purge, how long before Mid and Alb get them too with all the whining they do about them and Mythic's anti-Hibernia stance.

Interesting viewpoint, but I'd still say hib is top in terms of having support. Overall I'm not sure, I'd put mid top at them moment, though that may change after 1.62. And no, I'm not basing this off people whining about hibs, I play hib for RvR almost exclusively. In general our hib group (or 2fg) can take on any alb/mid FG (or 2fg) and have a good chance at winning. I don't feel that if we meet 1fg albs or mids they're going to kick our arses because we're unpowered. Nor do I feel that when they do kick our arses that we are unpowered, I generally put it down to a combination of their playing our playing and luck.
Also I generally notice a lot better support in hib than in alb/mid groups.

 

[old.Glendower]

Very nice post, Sick. Could actually read it for a change. Tell your mum good work on the proofing.

However, as usual, you are talking out of your ass and from a position of total ignorance.

I work in the college library. Our unabridged Oxford dictionary is 12 volumes as thick as your hand on edge, not one of the 1$ ones you get at the bookstore.

We dont have a "dole" here for people who dont have children (and my wife and I do not). Even so, all such programs now require the recipient to work for 30 hours per week minimum (and this works out to be less than minimum wage), with a 5yr cap on any benefits.

Obviously you are just bitter that you have to work 50 hours per week (if true) to meet your needs while I get to attend college, work in a nice library with intelligent people, run my own business, buy the things I want to have for my wife and myself, and generally schedule my time as I like. Seems to me you are the loser there, not I.

The cardboard in the window is the outer layer of a 3-peice, airtight assembly containing insulative padding placed in the window about the swamp-cooler during summer and serves 3 major purposes:

1) It insulates against the 112 F heat of summer in our locale

2) It muffles greatly the sound of chainsaws, music, children shrieking, patio parties, and car repair (from construction of racers by one gentleman) generated by the neighborhood.

3) It keeps glare off of my wife's computer.

All this for a total cost of maybe 2$ while being reusable, easy to work with and store, etc.

As to my dish-doing... Since I am the one who does all of the housework due to my wife being disabled, I damn well do the dinner and dishes when I am finished with whatever else is going on. If you find this objectionable, then by all means come and do them yourself.

And since you didnt have the nards to put up a photo of you and your wife, all we have is your less-than-believable claim that things are as you say.


You also obviously have an inflated view of your own worth and the effort involved (although the last may be true for you given your history on this board) if you think it is a "job" to make some posts demanding better service from a company that is paid to provide it. This is the accepted forum for such, and in fact, it is obvious that the posts similar to mine on the VN boards most certainly have an impact. Maybe you just dont type well, or find it a struggle to multitask, unlike many of the rest of us.

If you are content to play the game the way it is, then bully for you, but all I have seen from you (and not just in my case) are petty, snide remarks directed against persons with no real substantive comments or insights relating to the game. So in short, you really have nothing of intelligence to say pro or con, and are just a nasty loudmouth without wit or substance.

Meanwhile, those of us who are unhappy with things relating to the game have every right to express our opinions, and your valueless approval is not required.

Nobody started attacking you anyplace. It is always you who begin the nastiness, and it is with you the defect lies.

 

[old.Cher]

wow a very defense post there glendower, sicko must have hit home

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

I work 50 hours because other than you I like to be successful in my job...
Doing CRM for corporate customers of one of Europe's biggest and successful mobile communications providers.

Some like to achieve others like to live in a shed, being happy with cardboard in the windows instead of proper insulation windows plus proper blinds, stacking books for minimum wage.

Oh... and I did post a photo, just for your information.

And just out of curiosity... what spelling/grammar errors where you referring to? The "whinge" part of whingebag? I posted a link, professor. Not everyone is speaking American bubblegum English.


Nobody started attacking me... your point? You talk shit, you whine like a little kid about the lack of "service" yada, yada.

You try to come across as expert, committed (aha-ha...) player, wrapping your own flames into somewhat eloquent phrasing.
Just most of the time, though, you slip back into your usual vulgar self (lying whore etc.).

If you think I am just flaming everyone and everything in general you are wrong. But I guess you know that anyway.
and
if you can't stand not everyone "being on your side", stick to the Whingeboards or the Excalibur forums.

 

[old.Glendower]

Funny, I dont see a wife anyplace. By all means, post a link to the photo.

And for someone so short on time, you sure lurk the boards and troll a lot. Why aren't you off playing your beloved game with your minimal free time instead of being a nasty, narrowminded bigot?

My views on the game are not because I think of myself as "expert" or "committed". To me they are VERY obvious, glaring issues that are observable on an almost daily basis. Quit making the mistake of measuring others by your own abilities (or lack thereof).

Most of the spelling and grammar errors I am talking about are from your little less-than-witty one or two-line posts, the majority of which are not even proper sentences, and are littered with "d00dspeak".

Like I said, I dont need to work 50 hours a week stringing wires or what have you for someone else to earn my money, or to be "successful". If you like it, and it makes you feel more important than others, I guess that's an issue for you and your therapist, just like your claim that you are not flaming.

It is not that others attack you, it is that you attack others, and me in this instance, particularly, simply because I do not agree with your veiws or your socially outdated ethical patterns.

Further, since you supposedly take so much pride in your work and work ethic, it surprises me that you would tolerate the shoddy treatment we get from GOA and Mythic. Witness GOA's latest refusal to upgrade the Engish servers as the newest example.

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59465

And if you think library science is "stacking books for minimum wage", it just goes to show you how little you know.

With just a minor, 12 unit certificate (a one-year degree), and one year of on-the-job training, an assistant librarian pulls in 39k$ per year to start. The head librarian is a professor who earns over 75k$ per year. When I first started there, I was stunned at the amount of work and methodology of how things actually got done.

FYI, (since the insert explanation apparently flew over your head)the windows in my house are double-paned argon-filled. The insert I made myself to go around the cooler during the 3 months it is in the window to cool the house. The windows slide sideways, not up and down, so there is no way to fit a paned section in there, genius. Also, if you were really observant, you would have noticed the second half of this picture window covered with venetian blinds. The blinds are raised over the cardboard side because they are not needed, and if they are lowered, the air current causes them to bang about. I hope this agrees with your iconoclastic sense of propriety.

As I mentioned, I could not care less if you approve of, or agree with my views, but if you want to flame and act like a little snot, then I will just practice my writing skills giving you a good response.

The degree I am recieving in two weeks is for Administration of Criminal Justice, by the way, and is a pre-law degree. This type of argument is what I will be doing a lot of, and it is easy, fun, and fast for me.

If at any time you wish to start acting as an adult of rational mein, I will make you the same deal I make others:

Post whatever you like, and respect my right to do the same, meanwhile leaving me out of it, and I shall return the favor.

Edit: Put the link in.

 

[klavrynd]

such flaming and no lock yet


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