Impressed £67.5 billion... nope... 263 billion, and rising.

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Turkeys not voting for christmas right there.
 
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We're all dead anyway. Glad I didn't have any kids.

Humankind should have stayed in the neolithic.
 
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Raven said:
We're all dead anyway. Glad I didn't have any kids.

Humankind should have stayed in the neolithic.
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I really do think the pivotal point was the Bush Gore election imagine an alternate universe where climate change was normalised and the debate was how much we should do about it.
 
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I really do think the pivotal point was the Bush Gore election imagine an alternate universe where climate change was normalised and the debate was how much we should do about it.
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I think the pivotal point was in the 1950s when big oil knew exactly what was going to go on with climate change and instead of doing the right thing immediately adopted the model of the smoking lobby.

We could have fixed this very very cheaply a long time ago. But humans chose money for their lifetimes and to fuck everyone else (including their own great grandkids).

None of us here were born when we knew about it. In the same way that Silent Spring came out in the 1960s and we've still done fuck all about that.

@Raven's right. We don't make it as a species. It's not impossible that we do so much ecosystem damage and/or produce enough runaway problems that any life on the planet gets pooned out of existence before we're done.


Just as an example of how fucking dumb we really are - we banned a pesticide for use in the UK in the 1970's. It was strongly associated with Parkinson's disease.

So far so good, right? But we still make it here. (In Newcastle I think). And we export it - our largest market being Kenya. And last time I went into the Co-Op there were three fresh fruit & veg products on the shelves imported from Kenya...
 
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...and now the lunatics are threatening to use US marines against the public, for protesting...
 
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So then. The elephant in the room that has been repeatedly dismissed on this thread:

www.bbc.co.uk

Was Iran months away from producing a nuclear bomb?

Israel's PM says it struck Iran at the heart of its "weaponization programme", but Iran insists its nuclear facilities were peaceful.
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The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) [said the] strikes on the facility risked a radiological disaster
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Not an unintentional strike or a missile going awry, but a deliberate strike, by one of our allies, on sites they hoped contained enriched uranium.

They can't, of course, destroy the enriched uranium. Israel's objective was to spread it over a large area. Make plumes of it go up into the atmosphere. Leave a chunk of an area irradiated.

The way humasn act, there's clearly an inherent risk with the technology.
 
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So, they plan to make tens of thousands of cargo-container sized unrecyclable nuclear waste lumps that need swapping out every five years?

And the only "working" reactor ever built puts out one thirteenth of a single offshore wind farm turbine?

Fucking magic. That'll hold back global warming cheaply. :rolleyes:
 
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So then, Israel/Iran - just reading the (extensive) internal daily risk assessments produced for senior management.

The location of all regional nuclear power stations has been verified and risk assessments are ongoing.

That's in a corporate function. Business recognises the outsize risk of the presence of nuclear facilities during a war - especially a war between religious maniacs (on both sides).

But you dismiss that with a "get it done" soundbite @Embattle - just like the Japanese government ignored the people who said maybe don't site nuclear power stations coastally in an earthquake zone.

Chernobyl has been hit by a drone, Europes biggest nuclear power station was being shelled.

In project/programme management parlance: These aren't risks, they're issues.
 
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So then, Israel/Iran - just reading the (extensive) internal daily risk assessments produced for senior management.

The location of all regional nuclear power stations has been verified and risk assessments are ongoing.

That's in a corporate function. Business recognises the outsize risk of the presence of nuclear facilities during a war - especially a war between religious maniacs (on both sides).

But you dismiss that with a "get it done" soundbite @Embattle - just like the Japanese government ignored the people who said maybe don't site nuclear power stations coastally in an earthquake zone.

Chernobyl has been hit by a drone, Europes biggest nuclear power station was being shelled.

In project/programme management parlance: These aren't risks, they're issues.
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I dismiss it because most of what you've said is irrelevant.

The only thing I would like to see is a proper waste facility, like Onkalo.
 
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I dismiss it because most of what you've said is irrelevant.

The only thing I would like to see is a proper waste facility, like Onkalo.
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Explain how all of those issues are irrelevant.

If something is irrelevant then there's something that makes it irrelevant. A reason.

So then - what's your reason?
 
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Onkalo, btw, like a lot of nuclear facilities, doesn't yet exist. And we don't understand what problems we will have with it.

It may be catastrophic over the longer term. But we just don't know.

I guess these are just more risks you discount out of hand.
 
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Such risks get taken into account and are relevant. The fact that you keep trying to use them as a cornerstone of your argument is an irrelevant thing, as I/we have covered many times before this latest batch of anti-nuclear Scouse posts.

As I sit here, nuclear power is providing 14% of the UK's power, and all but one of the current 5 nuclear power stations are due to be closed in 2030. It is part of the energy mix and will continue to be part of the energy mix, even if there will be a lag in production because of poor decisions decades ago.
 
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