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[old.Tohtori]

I am in control

Or so you believe! Ahahahahahhaha*cough cough* *spit* ...ack..urgh..

Blah *waves hand* To heck with you lot.

 

[Sparx]

London has one of the best public transport systems in the country. Use it, then you won't have to worry about the congestion charge.

I work for London Transport so i know more about the public transport than anyone else on this board.

The new places they brought it in has nothing to do with public transport or easing congestion it is because Mr Livingston is a power hungry mad man who wont listen to anyone, its purely a money making scheme, i agree it was needed around the city but not residential areas

 

[Sparx]

and also its not just what the ID cards are, its what they have the potential to become thats what ppl are worried about, so you cant sit and ask for citations. Its just what ppl guess will happen by looking at the path of things happening (not sure if that makes sense)

The cards have the potential to be so much more, Finger/iris recognition is probably the most basic

 

[Roken]

I just want to know where They do thier recruitment!

I want to be one of the Master Race / Babylonian Illuminati / Masons / Womens Institute ... whichever big bad (but of course top secret) organisation it is that has the time, energy & inclination to spend thier days collating information on you Socialist Worker Hippy Commie B*stard types!

I'd pwn

 

[Sparx]

become an MP

 

[Malogrin]

The people in the local asylum can see things that I cant as well, if you apply your logic to this, then there really are monsters coming out of the walls, I just cant see them because Im not using my brain, right?

Yes.

I'm not a huge fan of being tracked 24/7, but I dont see how its such a big issue - its the price we pay for the progress of civilisation and technology.

Tottaly agree.

It does more good than it does harm at the moment, so whats the problem?

Let me explain you , like this. I had a friend , he goes to Australia to work there as doctor(was one of the best in my country). He called me before 2 years, and said he is going to make alot money , he discover how some brains work different from some others and stuff(i dont understand), 1 week later EVERY Scientist magazine had his name. None ever heard about him, he just disappear. His mother blame Usa

What? are you completely bonkers? saying things like this make people wonder if you're viewing the same reality we are.

I wonder that too for others ppls

I dont get how you make the transition from ID cards to being killed because people know where I am. This is alarmist sensationlisation of the worst kind, you are not using logic in your thinking and tbh it just sounds like you're spouting bollocks based on what sounds cool to you at the time.

I know, doesnt sound logical, but history most of times agree with the mad people.

You have no proof that what you are saying is true, its like me saying that on the other side of the moon there is a macdonalds that gives bigmacs away free, and "they" are covering it up so they can hog the free bigmacs!!!!11oneoen

Coz you dont know , what i am talking about, that doesnt mean i dont have right.
A quick google search will make you believe.
There are books , talking for stuff like that.

You are gossiping - talking bollocks to make your own (probably) arse-boring life seem a little more interesting. ZOMG THE GOVERNEMNET IS CONTROLORING OUR BRAINZ!

You wanna do fun, coz u just dont know but The thing u just said , exist :
Its called "Mind Control" Program , and its being used from CIA.
It makes one use killers fyi.
Google that too.

this is why people inwardly groan when they see another joor thread - but tbh you've just taken it to a whole new level - atleast what joor is saying is kinda interesting on some level.

I hope , i made you understand. You are totally right , shouldnt say that , freddy house isnt a forum for stuff like this.

 

[Naetha]

/snip

Cos its on the internet, it MUST BE TRUE!!!!!11111eleven

And I generally like and respect you Sparx, but just because you work for London Transport doesn't mean you know more about public transport than anyone else on this board and your opinions should automatically trump theirs.

 

[Shagrat]

How about some of you stop being ignorant retards? Are you putting it past the government to have a hidden agenda or something? It's ALL about control.

So we're all ignorant retards because we can see the positives of the ID card system and arent scared about invisible hover spy cams following us around...

I feel sorry for the poor bastard who has to monitor me 24/7

7am, he's had cornflakes for breakfast again
7.30am same boring bus journey to work
9-5am all day on the phone dealing with other peoples shit.....again
6pm same boring bus journey home
8-10pm tried unsuccesfully to talk his wife into an early night again......


suicide rate amongst surveillance professionals is going to go through the roof.



And are you really that concerned that they will be able to profile your shopping habits etc????? At least you'll get cold called about things your actually interested in, instead of hundreds of calls from some idiot trying to sell you camel insurance when you dont own a camel..

 

[Sparx]

Cos its on the internet, it MUST BE TRUE!!!!!11111eleven

And I generally like and respect you Sparx, but just because you work for London Transport doesn't mean you know more about public transport than anyone else on this board and your opinions should automatically trump theirs.

Yeah your probably right, i was merely showing that i do have some knowledge, perhaps i should have worded it better

 

[Naetha]

Yeah your probably right, i was merely showing that i do have some knowledge, perhaps i should have worded it better

Fair enough - my faith is restored

 

[swords]

I am not a name! I am a free number!

 

[Malogrin]

Cos its on the internet, it MUST BE TRUE!!!!!11111eleven

When something is on internet in 10million sites , say something to you?

As u see i am using original quotes.

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Well said , Shagrat.

 

[Jeremiah]

Another thing that makes this all a bit silly is that we have the power to say who "is" the government since we live in a democracy. If the current government plan to "restrict our freedom" then you've got the power to vote in another. If all the major parties plan to monitor us, then form your own party and get elected. Ultimately the power lies with the people, and so if this comes into force then really we cant blame anyone but ourselves.

 

[Naetha]

When something is on internet in 10million sites , say something to you?

As u see i am using original quotes.

Like I said to Joor - please provide government issued or professionally peer reviewed citations, and my mind will be much more open. Until you do this, I will continue to dismiss your waffle as the ramblings of someone not quite in touch with reality.

 

[Calaen]

Naetha, you obviously didnt read the part about his famous doctor friend who discovered brains working in different ways ffs.. Unfortunately the Americans got to him first.

 

[Zenith]

On one side I do understand why the government wish to do all these things.. But it is aswell frightening. Lets just say they out cameras ALL over the place, all those kinds of tracking devices and ID cards and all that.. Who knows where it will stop, when it once have started?

All those things might be used for some very good causes, it will also give more "power" to the goverment, in terms of tracking and "controlling" a human being in their country, which in turn gives even more room for human error, to use those devices in a faulty manner, which is something I guess most of us would like to avoid.

And Id say, for me and maybe for some people else, its just the principle to know that alot, if not in the future everything Im doing is being monitored could potentionally be checked. Now some of you would scream out that they dont care for what you do etc... But do sure as hell got the option to do it right? Now thats no privacy at all.

 

[Raven]

Jesus if Joor reacts this badly over ID cards, just think what he will do when he discovers the earth is hollow and everything is a cover up for our subterranean overlords!

He is so beyond reasoned thinking i seriously wonder about his mental well being

 

[thergador]

id cards DON'T stop terrorist attacks (see the spanish id card system and the terror attacks)
studies have show that ID cards have a possibility to increase fraud in ID token theft (commonly called id theft)
however all the information that is needed for the ID cards and Car tracking system is already in place it is just store on one Database.

and just think of it like this your innocent but the database gets cracked/corrupted then your guilty. the Data protection act state's that we have a right to request all data that is held about us and request it be removed from the data base if the data is not being used and has been used in a criminal investigation. however this is not true with ID card the the Database they wish to set-up.

there have been some heavy thinkers send in documented reasons why this system is a bad idea, the government have then replied but it is for the greater good in the war against terrorism which takes us back to the start

One of the worst failures of a government database came to light a few weeks ago when the Home Office admitted that the Criminal Records Office had wrongly identified 2,700 people as having criminal records. I cannot think of a clearer case of defamation and it is surprising there is not some kind of class action against the Home Office. Not only were these people's reputations seriously damaged, many were turned down for jobs as a result of the CRO's mistake and can therefore argue for a serious loss of earnings. But the Home Office did not even apologise. It is exactly the arrogance that I fear will come to characterise all government dealings with the person in the street once this database is operational.

 

[thergador]

please provide government issued or professionally peer reviewed citations,

the link on the OP does have professionally peer reviewed citations. quite a few of the people i work with are on there, so maybe take a look at the site rather than listening to some of the nutters on FH

 

[gohan]

it may just be me but the only people who DONT want ID cards ect are criminals dodgey fuckers and outraged hippies


here is my care


watch closely




































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their it went

 

[swords]

Does nobody here know about The Prisoner? You all suck!

 

[DocWolfe]

Jesus if Joor reacts this badly over ID cards, just think what he will do when he discovers the earth is hollow and everything is a cover up for our subterranean overlords!

He is so beyond reasoned thinking i seriously wonder about his mental well being

Crab people?

 

[Shagrat]

Crab people?

The crab people are extinct, they tried to invade Gamah's pant's. It all got very messy.

 

[swords]

You can lead a horse to water...

 

[soze]

I am a fan of the ID card.

Chip and pin is not secure its alot eaier to watch that than fake a thumb print. I would love to have one card with all my details that only works with my thumb than 3 cards with pin numbers a pasport and a driving licence that are all easy to forge and steal my indentity.

I have nothing to hide and think its a good idea.

 

[gohan]

im gonna cut of your thumb atatch the skin to mine an do my shopping via your bank HAHA
HAHAHAHA
MWAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[swords]

Nope, biometric sensors require the tissue to be live some of the latest can detect blood flow and thermal data to verify the user. I heard some where trying to use lots of parameters to define who the user is but this would fall flat on its arse if you had an infection or something, anything which would alter a parameter. Anyhow....

 

[Shagrat]

Good idea.

you cant take money out of the bank if your ill. That would encourage people to stay healthy.

Then make the recognition keypad really small, that would stop fat people from being able to withdraw money as well, encouraging them to shed a few pounds.

wow, the possibilities are endless.

 

[soze]

Good idea.

you cant take money out of the bank if your ill. That would encourage people to stay healthy.

Then make the recognition keypad really small, that would stop fat people from being able to withdraw money as well, encouraging them to shed a few pounds.

wow, the possibilities are endless.

i think that was a more what they could do with biometrics not what they will do. I would think a check to make sure you have not cut some ones hand off would be enough.

And its still a shit load more secure than typing your pin in the middle of a supermarket

 

[liloe]

Out of curiosity, the Joors and people who agree with him on this subject.

What are you actually afraid of? Why are you afraid of surveillance?

The question is not if I'm an honorable citizen, the question is: Why does the state think I'm not?

As already said, tons of data about us is stored at various places and it's no problem whatsoever for "the state" to know what you gain and how much you own. But basically, all that information is stuff where others share the knowledge aswell, cause at least your boss knows what you gain aswell.

Now there is the fine line of privacy and I don't want to have "the state" everywhere around me, because it creates of a situation of state vs. rebels. In Germany they're trying to get through a law that allows the police to introduce a trojan on your computer to see what you're doing.....only a preventive measure of course.

The point is though, how much will the government get to know about you and how can it be used to manipulate citizens. Let's say "the state" knows everything about your private life, then be assured that the next electoral campaign will be tailored to the people. Already now companies like google give you the advertisement you might want to see, just check the advertising here on FH. If "the state" knows what you think, like and do, then they can take measurer to better influence you and no matter how smart or cautious you are, you WILL get trapped by that.

This might all sound like a crazy theory, but for me this is one of the main reasons I don't want the state to be able to do such things. Cameras on open spaces, fine with me, it might really help, but a big no to tracking devices or similar crap.

Also, once "the state" starts to take such measures, people will start rebelling against the system and those who want to do illegal things will know how to do them. It will just seperate the stupid from the smart, giving people a wrong feeling of safety. Example: So the state wants to infiltrate me with trojans? First thing to do is to change OS on all computers and swich to high-security to keep stuff like that out. Data exchange goes highly encrypted etc...
Alarmingly enough, the US government prohibits encryption technology (at all or in certain circumstances, I dunno the exact laws) that can't be hacked fast enough by the NSA. If you ask me, that's one big step into taking away privacy.

P.S. All those personal attacks on Joor are so childish. We all know the conspiracy tendencies, but imho this is a really serious issue and seriously, who of us can say that they have no flaws ^^