yaya Rage is xmas number one :)

[Moriath]

i hate x-factor

BBC News - Rage Against the Machine beat X Factor winner in charts

 

[00dave]

we so should have taken that bet with ch3tan then

 

[Embattle]

Crap vs Crap...only winner was crap.

 

[Litmus]

Jeez i was soo close to putting £10 on it at the start when the odds were 100/1

 

[mooSe_]

Pretty cool I guess. I don't really care enough to say more, but them playing a free show like they said would be sweet.

 

[Raven]

Also, a substantial amount of money made by a good charity, Shelter. Will certainly make a few peoples Christmas better.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Less that if all those people just gave to charity direct instead of buying.

Then they would actually be fighting against X-Factor/Simon Cowell by not putting money into their shameful, marketing based industry.

 

[nath]

Less that if all those people just gave to charity direct instead of buying.

Then they would actually be fighting against X-Factor/Simon Cowell by not putting money into their shameful, marketing based industry.

And if I could shit diamonds all my money problems would be a thing of the past! I'd probably have some colon problems though...

 

[Raven]

Less that if all those people just gave to charity direct instead of buying.

Then they would actually be fighting against X-Factor/Simon Cowell by not putting money into their shameful, marketing based industry.

Many did, £70,000 so far... Any money the band made from the sales is also going to shelter.

 

[fettoken]

You'd be better off giving money to a homeless person on the street.

 

[Billargh]

Less that if all those people just gave to charity direct instead of buying.

Then they would actually be fighting against X-Factor/Simon Cowell by not putting money into their shameful, marketing based industry.

Jesus how many times does it need to be said that people aren't fighting X-Factor or Cowell, more for the Christmas number one spot, that's all.

 

[Aoami]

all it shows is that 500,000 people that wouldn't usually buy music have the capability to do so.

i doubt the x-factor single lost any sales.

I know it's all just a bit of fun, but people are heralding this as some kind of monumental day. The day a man captured the hearts and minds of 500,000 people and all he got them to do was buy a fucking rage song that most people that care had about 15 years ago.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

The Christmas No. 1 was leaked on 4chan 4 hours before Radio 1 broadcast it with exact figures too.

Joe Wossname it a young lad with a great voice and a hopefully a good career ahead of him. A person would have to be very churlish to begrudge him that, even if not liking the musical style.

However, Cowell's production machine which has coldly manipulated the Christmas No. 1 for the last few years has had a kicking, whether people argue about this or that minor point, or quibble about Sony making money.

The success of the Rage Against The Machine record was a grassroots thing that kicked off out of nowhere.

Oh, and RATM are going to play a free gig for us next year. Thats something you would never get from Cowell & Co.

It makes me chuckle at anyone wants to be bitter and cynical about RATM who are actually giving money to charity from this as well as playing a gig for free.

 

[Raven]

You'd be better off giving money to a homeless person on the street.

No, you aren't

Shelter, the housing and homelessness charity - choose your location

But lets forget about all that, this is about tedious snobs sneering at a popular cause.

 

[Wij]

Couldn't they have picked a likeable band to propel to No 1 rather than those self-righteous ***** ?

 

[Trem]

I thought I didn't care but I actually do, its great that plastic midget isn't number one. I actually like RATM, I like them very much indeed, even if you hate the music you should realise that Tom Morello is just about the greatest guitarist of the last 20 years.

I hope they do the same next year but use something like The Pogues or East 17, you know a proper Xmas song. I pray its Stay Another Day for next year

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Back in the early '90s I had this artist friend. Day job painting signs on ships at a shipyard in Fife, at nights he was heavily into drawing/painting manga and did a lot of freelance stuff. Very talented guy.

One night he showed me this wierd-looking/disturbing album with a monk on fire.

Fuck me the album was awesome.

I'll confess though I haven't listened to RATM in quite a long time until this.

 

[Trem]

Back in the early '90s I had this artist friend. Day job painting signs on ships at a shipyard in Fife, at nights he was heavily into drawing/painting manga and did a lot of freelance stuff. Very talented guy.

One night he showed me this wierd-looking/disturbing album with a monk on fire.

Fuck me the album was awesome.

I'll confess though I haven't listened to RATM in quite a long time until this.

First RATM album was immense.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

However, Cowell's production machine which has coldly manipulated the Christmas No. 1 for the last few years has had a kicking, whether people argue about this or that minor point, or quibble about Sony making money.

The success of the Rage Against The Machine record was a grassroots thing that kicked off out of nowhere.

But it hasn't had a kicking, as he was behind the whole thing, so by doing so Simon Cowell's production machine and his marketing machine both win instead of just one. This is the whole point of why people have been criticising the self-championing teenagers that don't understand what has actually gone on here.

I don't think it's a good or bad thing either way and is doesn't affect me at all, but the levels of ignorance as to what has gone on by most of the public is hilariously misinformed.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Oh ok. Can you point us at the evidence of Cowell being behind Rage Against The Machine?

 

[DaGaffer]

RATM was set up by Sony as a stalking horse for the X-Factor single; create a real rival to Joe whathisface and instead of taking 350K sales to get to number one, it takes 450 or 500K (with the added irony that the typical RATM fan is far more likely to pirate than buy). The X-Factor fans go out and buy more singles to block RATM. As it happens, RATM "won" but thanks to it being a Sony label release; Cowell gets a. more sales for his X-Factor single than he would have for an uncontested no.1, and b. all the RATM sales for his parent label (who he still works for along with his Syco businesses).

The only downside for Cowell is that he didn't get an X-Factor no.1, but that only matters if he thinks Joe whatshisface has a stab at a decent career, which he doesn't because none of the other male solo Pop Idol/X-Factor winners have done shit either.

QED. Cowell goes out and buys a Learjet for Christmas.

 

[Gumbo]

RATM was set up by Sony as a stalking horse for the X-Factor single; create a real rival to Joe whathisface and instead of taking 350K sales to get to number one, it takes 450 or 500K (with the added irony that the typical RATM fan is far more likely to pirate than buy). The X-Factor fans go out and buy more singles to block RATM. As it happens, RATM "won" but thanks to it being a Sony label release; Cowell gets a. more sales for his X-Factor single than he would have for an uncontested no.1, and b. all the RATM sales for his parent label (who he still works for along with his Syco businesses).

That almost works Gaff, except for the fact that Alexander Burke, last year, sold 576,000, copies for the xmas No.1, compared to 450,000 odd for Joe. Without the benefit of an orchestrated campaign against her. So yes, more sales overall, but definately not more for his x-factor puppet, in fact significantly less.

 

[Gumbo]

grr broken quote thing and phonecalls meaning I didn't spot it...

 

[DaGaffer]

That almost works Gaff, except for the fact that Alexander Burke, last year, sold 576,000, copies for the xmas No.1, compared to 450,000 odd for Joe. Without the benefit of an orchestrated campaign against her. So yes, more sales overall, but definately not more for his x-factor puppet, in fact significantly less.

Actually that just makes my point. Alexandra Burke didn't need 576,000 copies to get to number one, but she achieved that number anyway because female solo artists do much better than male ones and she had no competition. Joe whatisface would have got to number one with no more than 300-350K (possibly less) without the competition from RATM. With it, he needed 450-500 and the X-Factor sockpuppet audience duly obliged, and very nearly succeeded.

 

[Gumbo]

Hmm, that's good spin on numbers, and I follow the logic. I've said before, on another forum I'm on that I didn't care if the RATM campaign did benefit Cowell, I just quite enjoyed the interest it sparked in the Christmas No.1. It was refreshing to have some competition, orchestrated or not.

I managed to avoid watching any part at all of the x-factor this year. I said that if it was put on the tv in our house, I'd simply leave the room. I quietly weep for the death of our terrestrial tv with nothing more interesting on a Saturday night than a choice between one terrible talent show or another. Has it always been this bad, or is it simply by the same token I'm finding myself listening to Radio 2 or 4 now instead of Radio 1, that I'm just getting old?

 

[old.user4556]

Joe whatshisface

His name is Joe Fannybawz.

 

[Raven]

The charts are crammed full of utter shit so its not exactly hard to get to number one. The fact that before anyone even knew who the singer was or what the song was going to be they still knew it would be number one, says a lot about the stale, pointless charts.

Like it or not (I get the feeling a lot of this crying is just plain snobbery) a band that are not typical of the tripe in the charts these days has got to number one, on download sales alone on the back of a facebook campaign. Anyone who thinks Cowell or Sony were behind it is obviously a fruitcake. People power did it in the end. As much as you may despise Facebook, twitter and the like (I do too) they are becoming far more powerful than any pointless marketing company or advertising exec.

 

[Bugz]

Actually that just makes my point. Alexandra Burke didn't need 576,000 copies to get to number one, but she achieved that number anyway because female solo artists do much better than male ones and she had no competition. Joe whatisface would have got to number one with no more than 300-350K (possibly less) without the competition from RATM. With it, he needed 450-500 and the X-Factor sockpuppet audience duly obliged, and very nearly succeeded.

You have about six years evidence of x-factor shit to say that female artists do better than male ones? I highly doubt the deciding factor is gender.

Secondly, even though he only needed 300-350k, whats to say he wouldn't have got the amount he did (or even more) without the RATM stuff?

You're just picking numbers and scenarios out of the air that supports your original statement lol.

 

[DaGaffer]

You have about six years evidence of x-factor shit to say that female artists do better than male ones? I highly doubt the deciding factor is gender.

Secondly, even though he only needed 300-350k, whats to say he wouldn't have got the amount he did (or even more) without the RATM stuff?

You're just picking numbers and scenarios out of the air that supports your original statement lol.

His sales shot up after the RATM thing started. And here's a quick quiz for you; name the three male winners of X-Factor before this year's and how many still have a record deal? Then look around the charts at the general trend for female v male solo artists. Its not fucking rocket science.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Also, sales figures in most industries are down across the board: games, music, dvd are all selling less than this time less year. So those figures are high.