Xbox 360 vs Wii vs PS3 - what'd you get ?

[Wonk]

The other game you mention are all new versions of old games and that seems to be a big complaint about the ps3 is it will just be remakes of old games with better graphics, with the exception of gears of war there has not been one new game on the 360 that i would consider epic.

am I missing something?

 

[Neffneff]

Im changing my vote, after waiting on getting a wii, and reading this thread, i've dropped the wii for all its gimmicky goodness, and bought an xbox premium package that had hdd, 2 wireless controllers, PGR3 and viva pinata for 280 quid..then bought gears of war for good measure. i set it up last night, and im impressed tbh, even the network cable bundled was of a half decent length and made it to my router.

the media streaming stuff is superb, and easy to use, and now i have TVersity installed i can play DivX and Xvid, though i havnt played more than 5 mins worth of it, it seems to work (the wife has stolen the system t play Pinata, dammit! ) my son is happy with PGR3, im happy with the media sharing meaning i no longer need my damned Svideo cable running to my tele, and can ditch the dual screen setup i had for watching movies. and my wife seems jolly happy with Viva Pinata..plus Gears of War looks amazing.

So +1 vote for a happy consumer here to Xbox360, it does exactly what it says on the tin!

EDIT: oh, and lo and behold, inside the box was a leaflet telling me to get BT total broadband package for a FREE wireless adapter for Xbox, BT have been pestering me for MOTNHS to change my package, and now i finally have a reason to.

 

[soze]

am I missing something?

not im prolly not making much sence, but one of the major complaints i have read not only here, is that the ps3 is just revamped versions of old games. So i say that the first really great and it is great original game on the 360 was Gears of War which was released at nearly the 1 year aniversary. So i do not think the ps3 release catalouge should be used to slag it off.

 

[cHodAX]

Its might be wild speculation but as games have evolved so has the media to store them on it stands to reason that as games get better longer and more involved they will need more media. And you need 25gb for hours upon hours of stunning looking metal gear solid cut scenes. But if you really think that in 5 years time games will still be on one dvd i will accept that i do not know how the games industry runs. But just like pc games went from 1 to 2 to 4 cds and are now on 1 sometimes 2 dvds i do not think that in 5 years 4gb will be enough.

If the current gears of war is 4gb, if they get more complex graphics ect for gears of war that need more space, will you be happy with game thats half the lengh but looks better than the first? I do not know that will be the case but its what i expect.

Nor can i honestly see microsoft keeping 4 gb enough i think they will make it hd dvd only just so every one has to spend £100 on the drive.

The other game you mention are all new versions of old games and that seems to be a big complaint about the ps3 is it will just be remakes of old games with better graphics, with the exception of gears of war there has not been one new game on the 360 that i would consider epic.

And im basing my feelings about MGS on the fact that everytime a new mgs comes out it is a graphics step up so do i belive that the new mgs will have excelent graphics yes i do.

All i can do is speculate becuase i do not have a ps3 mgs and i do not know what microsoft will do, just like hit man 1 one cd hit man 2 was 2 cds and now blood money is a dvd i think speculating new versions of games will need bigger media is sensible.

You don't need 25gb for hours of high quality cut-scenes if you generate them with the game engine rather than filling your 25gb with hours of pre-rendered video. Gears of War has more than proven that, if you disagree then that is your opinion, I will let the game speak for itself.

Speculate all you want, Microsoft have already stated at GDC/E3/X05 and X06 that there will be no shift to HD-DVD media for gaming on Xbox 360 either next year or during the lifespan of the console. DVD is Microsofts gaming format of choice and will remain so for this generation, That is from J Allard's very own mouth. There might well be a 360 shipped with a built in HD-DVD drive at some point but all games will remain on DVD fullstop. Your speculation in that regard is utterly baseless.

Now for your next point, you obviously have no techical knowledge with regards to game development. Cronicles of Riddick on Xbox was 4.4gb in size, Gears of War on 360 is 4.3gb of data. The visual difference between the two is vast, Gears offers alot more gamelay in both singleplayer and multiplayer. Data size does not always reflect visual quality or depth of gameplay. The fact is that even if they upped the visual quality and made the singleplayer game 50% longer for Gears of War 2 they could still easily fit the game into a 9gb DVD disc. Mainly because they do all thier cutscenes with the game engine they save themselves a massive amount of discspace AND improve the gameplay at the same time by dispensing of long load times. Yes the time may come where a single DVD is not enough but because of the way consoles work it is no major problem to release games that span 2 discs, it isn't as if you have to install them like a PC. Your point makes no sense in any aspect, the game could be visually better and LONGER yet still fit onto a standard 9gb DVD.

Just to clarify that last point incase you didn't get it, DVD supports dual layer which is 9gb not 4gb. Gears of War's game data half filled the disc, the rest of the space is filled with dummy files as per Microsoft's security spec.

Now for your comment 'The other game you mention are all new versions of old games'. They might be franchise games, they are not rehashed versions of pervious versions ala EA Sports. Ghost Recon is a fine fine game, RB6 : Las Vegas even better, PGR3 is the finest driving game around bar none right now. I just don't get your point, no one in this thread has mentioned the PS3 having loads of new versions of older games, frankly I couldn't care less as long as the game is better than the previous. The PS3 will have alot of ports and remakes or new versions this year, it always happens in the first year of any consoles release, as long as the games are decent I couldn't give a damn. The 360 had the same thing happen and it isn't as if Call of Duty 2, PGR3, Ghost Recon, RB6:LV, Fight Night 3, Dead or Alive 4 and many others weren't good games.

As for games based on new I.P. yes the first 9 months were lacking in that regard but that started rapidly changing in September. Dead Rising, Gears of War, Viva Pinata, Prey, Saints Row are all games based on new I.P. and all recieved over 85% average scores on GameRankings, most infact scored in the 90%+ range.

Your last point defies all logic, you are comparing shifts across generations and then saying the 360 will change media format based upon that, it makes no sense at all. As I said above, DVD still has some growing room for games, I there isn't a single game on 360 yet that uses the full disc and when/if new games hit the 9gb barrier there is always the option of moving to double disc game releases. Changing media format in the middle of a product's life cycle makes no sense and it will not happen because the implications of doing so are far more damaging than the alternative of releasing games that span 2 discs.

 

[cHodAX]

Im changing my vote, after waiting on getting a wii, and reading this thread, i've dropped the wii for all its gimmicky goodness, and bought an xbox premium package that had hdd, 2 wireless controllers, PGR3 and viva pinata for 280 quid..then bought gears of war for good measure. i set it up last night, and im impressed tbh, even the network cable bundled was of a half decent length and made it to my router.

the media streaming stuff is superb, and easy to use, and now i have TVersity installed i can play DivX and Xvid, though i havnt played more than 5 mins worth of it, it seems to work (the wife has stolen the system t play Pinata, dammit! ) my son is happy with PGR3, im happy with the media sharing meaning i no longer need my damned Svideo cable running to my tele, and can ditch the dual screen setup i had for watching movies. and my wife seems jolly happy with Viva Pinata..plus Gears of War looks amazing.

So +1 vote for a happy consumer here to Xbox360, it does exactly what it says on the tin!

EDIT: oh, and lo and behold, inside the box was a leaflet telling me to get BT total broadband package for a FREE wireless adapter for Xbox, BT have been pestering me for MOTNHS to change my package, and now i finally have a reason to.

Nice to hear you are happy with it bud, you are gonna have some trouble getting your missus off Viva Pinata though

 

[soze]

No i am not saying anything you are saying my speculation is base less and all i am saying is like any thing as it evolves it cahanges just like PC games they could still be making them on cds but they don't.

Gears of war has what 5 chapters are you saying that you would not be happy if it had 10? Ohh sorry i forgot im being stupid again assuming that if they had more space to write the game they could make a better and longer game.

And no im not a games developer and do not claim to know anything about it but like PC games have evolved on to different media i think the xbox will have to or it will become out dated.

I will prolly get more bold text telling me how stupid i am for thinking this but ohh well you will not change my mind either the 360 will release games on hd dvd or release a new consol within 5 years.

Because microsoft would never lie or try to make more miney.

 

[Wonk]

No i am not saying anything you are saying my speculation is base less and all i am saying is like any thing as it evolves it cahanges just like PC games they could still be making them on cds but they don't.

Gears of war has what 5 chapters are you saying that you would not be happy if it had 10? Ohh sorry i forgot im being stupid again assuming that if they had more space to write the game they could make a better and longer game.

And no im not a games developer and do not claim to know anything about it but like PC games have evolved on to different media i think the xbox will have to or it will become out dated.

I will prolly get more bold text telling me how stupid i am for thinking this but ohh well you will not change my mind either the 360 will release games on hd dvd or release a new consol within 5 years.

Because microsoft would never lie or try to make more miney.

a 360 game can fill more than one dvd though, just like on the pc. Just look at Blue dragon. It has 3 dvd's, but that doesn't cause any troubles.

 

[psyco]

a 360 game can fill more than one dvd though, just like on the pc. Just look at Blue dragon. It has 3 dvd's, but that doesn't cause any troubles.

so can any other console, just look at the FF series

 

[AngelHeal]

gears of war must come on PC FFS!!

therefor XBOX360!

 

[soze]

a 360 game can fill more than one dvd though, just like on the pc. Just look at Blue dragon. It has 3 dvd's, but that doesn't cause any troubles.

I know im not disputing that but i do not see microsoft releasing games that way when they could just force everyone to buy a add on which is where they make the money. Call me synical but its not as if microsoft have never changed there mind befor.
Of course i hope im wrong for my cousins sake who now has my 360 and everyone else with one.

 

[Lamp]

Was listening to radio earlier. Consensus of opinion from DJ and callers was that the XBox and Playstation are for men. The Wii is for girls. Hence if you own a Wii and you're a bloke, you're playing with a girls toy

 

[Gibbo]

gameplay > cut scenes

 

[cHodAX]

No i am not saying anything you are saying my speculation is base less and all i am saying is like any thing as it evolves it cahanges just like PC games they could still be making them on cds but they don't.

Gears of war has what 5 chapters are you saying that you would not be happy if it had 10? Ohh sorry i forgot im being stupid again assuming that if they had more space to write the game they could make a better and longer game.

And no im not a games developer and do not claim to know anything about it but like PC games have evolved on to different media i think the xbox will have to or it will become out dated.

I will prolly get more bold text telling me how stupid i am for thinking this but ohh well you will not change my mind either the 360 will release games on hd dvd or release a new consol within 5 years.

Because microsoft would never lie or try to make more miney.

Did you actually read my post? I already said they could make Gears of War 2 a much bigger game and fit it on a single 9gb disc. Since you make the comparison to PC games lets have a look at that. We have had access to PC DVD games for years now, how many 9gb (games that fill a full double layer disc) games are there for the PC after all these years? Hmm, not many? I am struggling to think of one, you see just because you have more space doesn't need you need or even want to fill it. Look at it this way, there are 7gb games out there that give 10 hours of gameplay, then there are 3gb games that give 40 hours of gameplay without compromising on visuals. You keep making the gross assumption that more space equals bigger better games and that just isn't the case. If you can prove otherwise then please feel free to do so, I am nothing if not openminded.

As for a new console in 5 years, I fully expect a new console by 2011 to be honest. With the graphical jump PC gaming will get in the next year all the current consoles are about to get left a long way behind, I can't imagine how far we will have progessed by 2011 but all the consoles are going to be long in the tooth by then. If you have bought into Sony's soundbite of 'no new console till 2013' then you are going to be left very disappointed in 3-4 years time when news leaks of the PS4 development. Microsoft are quite happy with DVD on 360 and so am I, access speed is fast, they are cheap to produce and I will be shocked if 90% of the games will ever need more than the 9gb during the consoles lifespan.

 

[cHodAX]

I know im not disputing that but i do not see microsoft releasing games that way when they could just force everyone to buy a add on which is where they make the money. Call me synical but its not as if microsoft have never changed there mind befor.
Of course i hope im wrong for my cousins sake who now has my 360 and everyone else with one.

Soze, Microsoft are losing $20 a unit subsidising the HD-DVD drive, right now there is no money to be made on the unit but they made it available anyway and took the hit finanically so they don't get left behind in the high definition movie playback arena. You are cynical when it comes to Microsoft and I cannot blame you at all for that, all I will say is that the games division (run by J. Allard) have yet to do anything other than keep thier word, if that changes I will be the first to call them a bunch of lying *****.

 

[soze]

Soze, Microsoft are losing $20 a unit subsidising the HD-DVD drive, right now there is no money to be made on the unit but they made it available anyway and took the hit finanically so they don't get left behind in the high definition movie playback arena. You are cynical when it comes to Microsoft and I cannot blame you at all for that, all I will say is that the games division (run by J. Allard) have yet to do anything other than keep thier word, if that changes I will be the first to call them a bunch of lying *****.

They did say the xbox was made to play pc games on your tv it never did that so thats a lie

And as you said ms lose money at the moment which is why they would not do it now your are right and very safe but given the xbox had a what 4 year life? i can see befor the ps3 becomes a old consol there will be at least 1 new microsoft consol and as peoples problem is money they should think of that too?

And i read all of your posts but if there are already games today that are 9gb then its not very future proof is all im saying.

 

[cHodAX]

They did say the xbox was made to play pc games on your tv it never did that so thats a lie

And as you said ms lose money at the moment which is why they would not do it now your are right and very safe but given the xbox had a what 4 year life? i can see befor the ps3 becomes a old consol there will be at least 1 new microsoft consol and as peoples problem is money they should think of that too?

And i read all of your posts but if there are already games today that are 9gb then its not very future proof is all im saying.

ROFL! Who said that and when? Seriously, I would love to see that.

As for lifespan, you will see a new Xbox before PS4 I am pretty certain of that. It won't happen till 2010 at the earliest though by which time personally I will be wanting a new one anyway. If Sony hold out till 2013 with the PS4 the PS3 will be long past it's sell by date. Look at it this way, imagine comparing PC games from 1999 to top PC games now. An even better perspective, Imagine still playing PSone games that were released in 1999, they look bloody awful.

 

[psyco]

An even better perspective, Imagine still playing PSone games that were released in 1999, they look bloody awful.

yep, ive been playing my PC games from 93, and they still rock out loud

 

[soze]

ROFL! Who said that and when? Seriously, I would love to see that.

As for lifespan, you will see a new Xbox before PS4 I am pretty certain of that. It won't happen till 2010 at the earliest though by which time personally I will be wanting a new one anyway. If Sony hold out till 2013 with the PS4 the PS3 will be long past it's sell by date. Look at it this way, imagine comparing PC games from 1999 to top PC games now. An even better perspective, Imagine still playing PSone games that were released in 1999, they look bloody awful.

Wasn't the pc games on your tv the whole reason Bill Gates made it?

Thats where releasing a consol that has more power than game makers can handle is a good thing though right as in 5 years the ps3 could be getting games made for it that still do not tax the machine but are a improvement on originals? Like the graphics in GT3 are made to look abit tame by GT4 but who knows.

And 2013 might be perfect for the ps4 so we can get 3d gaming

 

[cHodAX]

Wasn't the pc games on your tv the whole reason Bill Gates made it?

Thats where releasing a consol that has more power than game makers can handle is a good thing though right as in 5 years the ps3 could be getting games made for it that still do not tax the machine but are a improvement on originals? Like the graphics in GT3 are made to look abit tame by GT4 but who knows.

And 2013 might be perfect for the ps4 so we can get 3d gaming

Nope, MS wanted a share of the $10 billion a year video game market.

Soze, I am not slagging PS3 off but please understand this. CELL is a beast but the GPU that draws the graphics is weaker than the one in 360 bud. That isn't me saying it, a number of developers have said it.

 

[psyco]

And 2013 might be perfect for the ps4 so we can get 3d gaming

nope, they will probbably continue with pads

 

[Ara]

Think i have to go with PC, since i havent botherd to buy a TV.

 

[psyco]

Theres a lot more to do in Dead Rising than to go around with a lawnmower farming zombies though, else I'd be bored of it already ^^

like? i downloaded the trailer on the 360 a while ago, and thats all that was shown... maybe a semi decent plot?

"you can have this machine part, to get you back to reality, if you kill 300,000 zombies!"
--end game

 

[Wonk]

like? i downloaded the trailer on the 360 a while ago, and thats all that was shown... maybe a semi decent plot?

"you can have this machine part, to get you back to reality, if you kill 300,000 zombies!"
--end game

there is actually so much more. It's not the usual hack n' slash like dynasty warriiors etc.

 

[soze]

Nope, MS wanted a share of the $10 billion a year video game market.

Soze, I am not slagging PS3 off but please understand this. CELL is a beast but the GPU that draws the graphics is weaker than the one in 360 bud. That isn't me saying it, a number of developers have said it.

I do not think i have ever said the ps3 is better have i? i might have but since i have not played one i should not have said that

All i keep saying is that i think people should look at everything that comes with the ps3 as well as its shelf life befor saying its too expensive. As if it runs for 7 years like they say then the ps4 could be release at the same time as the xbox4 if the xbox2 (360) and the next one only last 4 years each Again all speculation with no facts so do not bold text me!

But you are right it may have been a better idea to the ps3 with develop dvd games and make a basic ps3 with no blu ray for people who just want a games consol. But how will Sony take over the world with thinking like that

 

[Cylian]

bloody, medium or charcoal ?

cooking for gamers

 

[Samaroon|Terracotta]

bloody, medium or charcoal ?

cooking for gamers

Consoles will soon be used as beds and will store your beer at a perfect temperature! :<

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Got a 360 in September for shits and giggles, if your into consoles its a dream piece of kit. Gears of War and Prey are fantastic despite not particularly liking FPS/Shoot-em-up games.

75 games now and counting.

Viva Pinata!!!!!!!

 

[Hawkwind]

http://funcom.com/wsp/funcom/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&func_id=1177&table=CONTENT&item=1004

Age Of Conan being developed for Xbox 360. Think I'll still play it on PC when it arrives though.

 

[soze]

I just read Devil May Cry is coming to PS3 thats another game i love

 

[Overdriven]

I think sony said that they wern't going to release a Playstation 4, correct me if I'm wrong.