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ScoobyDoo{KEA}

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i believe this game is out now,i think that's what the games called anyway,its like the new elite,anyway does anyone here know of a website or demo i could get to have a look.
 

Skyler

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Ahh X2, a fine game indeed, if you liked Elite you'll love this. Bigger scale, great graphics and great gameplay... it's as complex as you could want it.. so much depth and things to strive for.. I really enjoy it :)

Hopefully these links will answer all questions you have :)

X2 Homepage

Gamespot Review

IGN Review

CVG Review

Enjoy!
 

Paradroid

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I installed this a while ago, but never really got into it ... not that the game was at fault, I just didn't have the time... (takes ages jumping between places)...however, I did spend years playing Frontier which has equally long jumps between systems...(didn't really play Elite that much)...does look good though...

: /

...I'm waiting for Elite 4...still under construction?

(*tumbleweed*)

:D
 

Athan

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I got this as soon as it was out in the UK.

First thing, the manual is UTTER CRAP, you HAVE to go read up stuff on the forums and associated fan sites to have any real clue about how things works and what you should and shouldn't do at the start.

Me? I went and did the first 3 missions and then setup a Solar Power Plant. All well and good, but I didn't know the Khaak would be coming to play and they decided to do so in the system with my SPP. No NPC capital ships in the sector, so no way to get rid of them (would have taken me AGES to setup in another system again and get enough money for decent ship(s) to take them on). Anyway, that lead to me restarting and using a different sector next time.

The ship to ship combat can be somewhat annoying too. The AI is programmed such that it will only turn away from ramming you at the very last moment, and it only succeeds if you're going very slow yourself. You can easily start losing ship upgrades from this even when you have some shields left. Most annoying, but I think I'm getting the hang of avoiding the ramming now.

Of course you CAN decide to cheat and hit one of the scripting sites for stuff that will speed up progress in the game. I've resisted doing this so far, the most cheaty I've gotten is taking peoples' advice about SPP location and starting on Easy (the start ship has more upgrades which on the whole means you have more money) mode rather than Normal. Oh and I've not done the "sell the equipment from the temporary ship in mission 2" thing either, which is popular as it nets you something like 300K credits (instant SPP basically).

If someone wants to create a sub-forum for X2 I'll be along to rant about it daily probably :p.

-Ath
 

TdC

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judging from the demo I'd say both. btw, what rez and settings do you people run this at? if I run the rolling demo at 1024x768x32 with AA, shadows and bumps all on I get reasonable (shite) performance averaging at ~40fps (call it 25). if I leave AA and shadows off I get ~80 average with the penalty of less eyecandy and jaggies. I like it though....must buy :D
 

Big G

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TdC said:
judging from the demo I'd say both. btw, what rez and settings do you people run this at? if I run the rolling demo at 1024x768x32 with AA, shadows and bumps all on I get reasonable (shite) performance averaging at ~40fps (call it 25). if I leave AA and shadows off I get ~80 average with the penalty of less eyecandy and jaggies. I like it though....must buy :D
Requires a beefy machine, I ran the rolling demo without AA on and it was pretty speedy at 1280 (9800 pro / 3200+). I'll re-run it with AA on and I shall post results.

TBH, I think stencil shadows (a lá quake3) look shit, imo of course.

G
 

Xavier

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If you have a second screen and NVIDIA nView compatible graphics card (ATI won't work) then you can in fact play multi-monitor with your cockpit on one screen and the cameras/other info on the other. I had a tinker this weekend and was most impressed. You'll need the retail game and 1.1 patch to use it tho.

Xav
 

TdC

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I'm on a 9700pro/barton2800 here mate. odds are you'll be able to go one up on me with every setting. AA makes it look teh win though :D
 

Big G

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It averaged 39.4 fps with 1280*1024, 4xAA and 8xAniso (all the goodies on, shadows etc).

Bits of it ran about 60 fps, but other bits kinda died to about 10 fps (the big battle bit of the demo).

Roll on R420 and PCIe.

G
 

Doomy

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The simulation mode is a good place to learn. Just doing it now and im very impressed with it all. Runs really nice (not perfect) with everything whacked up to full, in 1280x1024 (no aa or aniso) on my ti4400 and p4 2.8c.

Framerates
Scene 00 60.572 fps
Scene 01 32.402 fps
Scene 02 22.955 fps
Scene 03 17.903 fps
Scene 04 17.269 fps
Scene 05 18.456 fps
Scene 06 19.840 fps
Scene 07 44.310 fps
Scene 08 42.200 fps
Scene 09 39.157 fps
Scene 10 27.133 fps
Scene 11 32.549 fps
Scene 12 31.278 fps
Scene 13 17.065 fps
Scene 14 40.590 fps
Scene 15 18.788 fps
Scene 16 44.429 fps
Scene 17 41.542 fps
Scene 18 27.854 fps
Scene 19 22.702 fps
Scene 20 47.698 fps
Scene 21 35.197 fps
Scene 22 46.689 fps
Scene 23 40.406 fps

Overall average framerate: 32.874 fps

Certainly playable :)

Shall try with 1024 x 768 with ingame aa now.

Framerates
Scene 00 57.496 fps
Scene 01 34.924 fps
Scene 02 21.725 fps
Scene 03 21.580 fps
Scene 04 18.029 fps
Scene 05 18.000 fps
Scene 06 19.767 fps
Scene 07 44.231 fps
Scene 08 42.274 fps
Scene 09 41.108 fps
Scene 10 27.956 fps
Scene 11 33.093 fps
Scene 12 32.283 fps
Scene 13 21.721 fps
Scene 14 41.361 fps
Scene 15 19.356 fps
Scene 16 41.304 fps
Scene 17 40.738 fps
Scene 18 26.735 fps
Scene 19 22.600 fps
Scene 20 47.428 fps
Scene 21 33.297 fps
Scene 22 45.746 fps
Scene 23 38.629 fps

Overall average framerate: 32.974 fps

It does look nicer with aa and i guess ill run it at 1024 as it looks slightly warmer. With shadows and aa off i get.......

Framerates
Scene 00 115.257 fps
Scene 01 44.108 fps
Scene 02 31.567 fps
Scene 03 81.223 fps
Scene 04 53.939 fps
Scene 05 37.923 fps
Scene 06 56.948 fps
Scene 07 73.766 fps
Scene 08 71.175 fps
Scene 09 63.176 fps
Scene 10 57.327 fps
Scene 11 47.894 fps
Scene 12 60.544 fps
Scene 13 96.187 fps
Scene 14 78.471 fps
Scene 15 53.205 fps
Scene 16 89.376 fps
Scene 17 93.253 fps
Scene 18 38.908 fps
Scene 19 62.184 fps
Scene 20 74.917 fps
Scene 21 70.165 fps
Scene 22 96.853 fps
Scene 23 61.928 fps

Overall average framerate: 67.096 fps

Parting with mi ti card is painful but those scores will be superceeded with r9800xt benchmarks in approx 2-3 weeks :)
 

TdC

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here's mine from before:

1024x768x32 (no AA or shadows)

Scene 00 247.465 fps
Scene 01 98.227 fps
Scene 02 55.450 fps
Scene 03 29.660 fps
Scene 04 82.174 fps
Scene 05 60.322 fps
Scene 06 43.958 fps
Scene 07 81.869 fps
Scene 08 88.817 fps
Scene 09 78.276 fps
Scene 10 59.028 fps
Scene 11 64.115 fps
Scene 12 50.573 fps
Scene 13 48.119 fps
Scene 14 105.536 fps
Scene 15 90.304 fps
Scene 16 63.022 fps
Scene 17 103.903 fps
Scene 18 82.720 fps
Scene 19 28.886 fps
Scene 20 86.372 fps
Scene 21 56.988 fps
Scene 22 72.765 fps
Scene 23 89.123 fps
Scene 24 63.534 fps

Overall average framerate: 77.248 fps
quite playable, but looks a bit naff without AA tbh

same thing, but with AA and "dynamic" shadows:

Framerates
Scene 00 188.637 fps
Scene 01 65.237 fps
Scene 02 44.336 fps
Scene 03 22.523 fps
Scene 04 26.158 fps
Scene 05 24.370 fps
Scene 06 14.283 fps
Scene 07 29.422 fps
Scene 08 59.971 fps
Scene 09 42.225 fps
Scene 10 35.895 fps
Scene 11 36.356 fps
Scene 12 31.192 fps
Scene 13 30.509 fps
Scene 14 38.428 fps
Scene 15 42.389 fps
Scene 16 27.200 fps
Scene 17 48.529 fps
Scene 18 50.536 fps
Scene 19 14.667 fps
Scene 20 25.963 fps
Scene 21 37.265 fps
Scene 22 26.405 fps
Scene 23 49.931 fps
Scene 24 48.414 fps

Overall average framerate: 42.434 fps

playable I guess, but it does judder a bit when there's lots of movement.
 

EvilMonkeh

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when i played it a while ago all the beggining movie as you start a new game was very jittery, it would play fine for 2 seconds then stop for half a second and play etc etc.
the actual in game part played fine, but as i wanted to follow the story i gave up. maybe ill have another go 2moro
 

Doomy

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I read the story was the weakest part of the game, i mean for gods sake the aliens are called Khaak.
 

granny

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Bollocks, I had a long post written out and "server busy" ate it. Cba now. I'll paraphrase....

X2? Good game, turn Khaark off for a while, voice acting = embarrassing translated from German shit. Gifv M1 \o/
 

Athan

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One thing to be aware of is that neither the 'rolling demo' nor the tutorial will give a REAL indication of how well the game itself runs. The reason for this is all the NPC ships and factories, and later your own of such. Even though it obviously isn't rendering anything you can't see it IS doing calculations on them all constantly. Thus there's an extra suckage on the CPU that the rolling demo and tutorial don't have.

I'm still on an Athlon XP 1600+@1.4GHz, 768MB PC2100 DDR RAM and a GF4ti4800 128MB on Win XP Pro, and it runs 'ok', but does get a bit slide showey in the busier sectors. Definitely time for that upgrade 'soon'.

-Ath
 

TdC

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ooh, I'm getting the game tonight. *anticipate* :D
 

Rulke

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The story is a joke, the cutscenes are horrendous and the combat leaves a lot to be desired, also the interface sucks.

But this game is great :)

The trading is pretty advanced, and setting up your own trading empire is quite satisfying. I was a bit disappointed that you couldn't fly any of the larger battleships yourself, but even the fact that you can control hundreds of stations and ships makes this game way more advanced than the competition.

I haven't finished the storyline yet, just mucking about with trading. When I do the storyline, I want to do it with a fleet :)


P.S You can dock by targetting the station then shift+d, you don't have to do it manually all the time, and once inside press esc to skip the actual docking. Lot's of little things like that should have been in the manual :/
 

granny

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Yeah, what Rulke said. The manual is laughable, so much so that i think it's worth reiterating tha advice to visit the official forums and have a good read :)
 

Summo

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I'd agree that the dialogue and voice acting is abysmal and I'd also agree that the manual is woefully inadequate. The Elite manual had detailed specs of ships and weapons so at least you knew what you could save up for. None of that here and as someone up there said, it is practically essential that you go in search of online, fan-made resources.

Trading and economy is great, and I'd also say that the combat is the best I've seen in a space game. The menu interface is a little clunky but you get used to it.
 

Rulke

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Give a game that has Freespace 2's combat and story, with X2's Trading and ships please :)
 

Mazling

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Freespace 2 rocked ... it was fun not to have the capital ships not just sit there like er, great big things hanging in space getting shot at.

Warngin though: demo seemed to chug a bit on my radeon 9600, plus enabling EAX seemed to make the game hang for a few moments, at random.
 

TdC

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fng shit dutch retailers :eek: nobody seems to have it ffs :/

<ME>hi, I was wondering if you have X2 - The Threat for the PC
<HE>for the what?
<ME>for the pc
<HE>X-Men2? that's a DVD
<ME>no, a pc game called X2 - The Threat
<HE>never heard of it mate
<ME>*looks at rows and rows of "Harry Potter", "Pirates of the Carib", "LotR" and other titles that tdc doesn't really rate as proper games*
<ME>indeed, my mistake
 

TedTheDog

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Been playing X2 a smidge recently. With Mikeybears and grannys help I opted out of the scripted battles against the Khaak (yeah, i know i know...) and have been playing a purely trading game (except for the pirates and Xenon) and I gotta say its seriously good.
The economy seems to work pretty well and theres enough toys and upgrades to keep an obsessive happy for yonks. I'm currently building up a fleet of destroyers to take on the Khaak someday (by turning off the script that gets rid of them).

Yes, its a bit of a machine eater and can get into 3D-Jerkovision at the drop of a hat, and the manual would be laughable if its omissions werent so serious, and the cut scenes and voice acting are the WORST you'll see for years, but its still just so good.

If you want to fly around in a beautifully rendered space, in a host of ships, and build space stations and own entire fleets (any of which you can fly yourself) then get the fucking game.
Just bought me a Paranid Odysseus M2 destroyer for 63million credits and the bugger came with NO guns. Nearly finished equipping it and the guns have cost me 30mill on their own so far. However, just parked it outside a pirate space station and shouted rude words through the letter box and had to stick the guns on fire at will as i was laughing so much at the reaction.

Do we really want an X2 forum here? Happy to fire one up if theres enough interest.

Oh, by the way, sorry for my prolonged absense (as if anyone gives a shit), work and RealLife™ intrudes.
 

Summo

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Oh you swine. I'm saving my arse off to buy an M2, but I'll probably cave and get a Corvette once I have enough money. I've got a Solar Power Plant and a Wheat Farm and have just set up a Silicone Mine in Split space. Thing is, I destroyed the Silicon Mine that was already there (with just an Argon Nova kitted out with an Ion Disruptor, Hornet Missiles and Beta HEPT - have to eliminate the competition, natch) and so now I'm a Split enemy and can't trade in nearby systems. :(

It's going to take a lot of pirate and Xenon killing to get back on good terms with them.





This must read like utter tripe to people who've never played this. :/

And welcome home! :)
 

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