WoW

[.Venge]

WoW will be great imo.
PvP will be great and PvE for sure will rock. Like Mirak said, 1000 spell devided on several classes ::::.AND::::: races.. meaning Troll Rogue wont be the same as D0rf Rogue.. which roxxx imo =) in total there will be alot more choices to make than in Crappy DAoC..

as closure, 1 v important fact we're missing, Blizzard is making the game... Blizzard = god.. Mything/GOA = (k) my (_|_)

 

[Arkian]

Originally posted by .Venge
WoW will be great imo.
PvP will be great and PvE for sure will rock. Like Mirak said, 1000 spell devided on several classes ::::.AND::::: races.. meaning Troll Rogue wont be the same as D0rf Rogue.. which roxxx imo =) in total there will be alot more choices to make than in Crappy DAoC..

as closure, 1 v important fact we're missing, Blizzard is making the game... Blizzard = god.. Mything/GOA = (k) my (_|_)

Jeez people are majorly optimisitic when it comes to something they don't have (grass greener etc.) Think about the trouble in DAoC of balancing classes spells etc, and you guys all really beleive that WoW will breeze through it?

I'm not trying to say that WoW will be a bad game, in fact it probably will be good. However, the higher you all set your expectations and expect the game to be 'omfguber1337zorbestmmorpg' then i'm sorry, but you're only setting yourselves up for dissapointment.

If you think WoW looks good, then by all means go and play it when it comes out (best of luck to you), but for your own future sanity lower your expectations just a little bit

 

[Shaki/Aeis]

Originally posted by Arkian
Think about the trouble in DAoC of balancing classes spells etc, and you guys all really beleive that WoW will breeze through it?

The trouble in DAoC is that it is Mythic that does the balancing. IMO the balance has only gotten worse and worse since release, or atleast after 1.45.

The balance in Diablo2 is better then in DAoC. And there is almost no one working on Diablo2!

Therefore

Blizzard > Mythic

By far

 

[Arkian]

Originally posted by Shaki/Aeis
The trouble in DAoC is that it is Mythic that does the balancing. IMO the balance has only gotten worse and worse since release, or atleast after 1.45.

The balance in Diablo2 is better then in DAoC. And there is almost no one working on Diablo2!

Therefore

Blizzard > Mythic

By far

The balance being better in Diablo2 is more a function of the lower number of game choices. If WoW has such a large number of player spec options, then don't you think they will have a much more difficult time in balancing WoW than Diablo2?

On your last note that Blizzard > Mythic, you are not comparing like with like. Let's just sit back and see how Blizzard manage with WoW when it gets released

Having to ban > 200,000 accounts due to cheating does not suggest that they are brilliant by any means.

p.s. I'm actually a big fan of Warcraft 1&2 and Starcraft

 

[Shaki/Aeis]

Originally posted by Arkian

Having to ban > 200,000 accounts due to cheating does not suggest that they are brilliant by any means.

Not a valid argument. You can cheat in all games.
Just that people are more affraid to loose what they got in daoc (realm points). And it is good Blizzard post how many they ban. Then you know they are atleast banning people and find out who is cheating.

 

[Shaki/Aeis]

I hope there are no buffbots in WoW. Or atleast that you can kill them in a couple of ways.

 

[Arkian]

Originally posted by Shaki/Aeis
Not a valid argument. You can cheat in all games.
Just that people are more affraid to loose what they got in daoc (realm points). And it is good Blizzard post how many they ban. Then you know they are atleast banning people and find out who is cheating.

The argument was valid, I agree that there are cheats in all games, the propostion is that Blizzard like all companies are far from perfect.

An additional interesting thought is: Would they ban 200,000 people paying them >$10 per month each?..... just food for thought.

You make a valid point that on the whole Blizzard produce some good games, the main thrust of my original post was to get people to lower their expectations a little bit so they don't feel too bad when they aren't fully met.

peace out.

Ark

 

[normalone]

As a small remark.
Anybody who want alot of pvp check out
darkfall.

 

[Tiac]

everydaoc players that is gonne play WoW should make one BIG guild and own the server/servers IMO
Regards, Chosen!

 

[Surround Sound]

Originally posted by mirak_naijmi
The worst game blizzard created imo is Dungeon Keeper 2 which is a marvelous game anyway.

Dungeon Keeper 2 is a game by Bullfrog, not Blizzard.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Shaki/Aeis
I hope there are no buffbots in WoW. Or atleast that you can kill them in a couple of ways.

I'd venture to say that every "buff" type thing is either
a) timered effect
b) aura

So, in PvP zones, if you want buffs... Tag the bot on your ass (IF there's /stick) or go back to nearest non-PvP zone for your buff or 2.

 

[Anarki^^]

Blizzard is not giving birth for one patch for 4-5 months like mythik, it is happening really fast, and i expet WoW to be balanced very shortly after release.....

And anyway it WILL rock, just cause i'm a big War3 Fan ^_^

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Anarki^^
Blizzard is not giving birth for one patch for 4-5 months like mythik, it is happening really fast, and i expet WoW to be balanced very shortly after release.....

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh man, that's the funniest thing I've seen all week. Balanced very shortly after release... that's so funny. We're talking about an MMORPG here, not some poxy Diablo-style game.

 

[Xaldrick]

Originally posted by Gordonax
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh man, that's the funniest thing I've seen all week. Balanced very shortly after release... that's so funny. We're talking about an MMORPG here, not some poxy Diablo-style game.

To be honest, diablo 2 never got fully balanced - not even in the new 1.10 patch

Same goes for Warcraft 3

 

[Kindar]

There prolly will be parts that get overpowered...that kinda happens in all games, but i would say Blizzard is quite quick to make stuff less effective or to work in another way.

Im looking forward for the game...i kinda see it to be uber in a way, but of course im not prentending it will be crafted by God. I'll let Blizzard work with it....evt try and put myself up to test the beta (if possible) and see how they manage.
In the other end i don't mind trying out something else than Daoc.

I don't wanna start flaming on the game, as long as i haven't seen the game prefaces, workout and such. When beta arrives....then i'll start making opinions

 

[Zoldot]

Originally posted by mirak_naijmi
I only have ten minutes to write but this is my 2 cents why WoW will rock everything out on the market now.

First of all we got an experienced crew behind it. Some EQ staff and then blizzard staff. They have the experience from EQ which is considered the best MMORPG by most and also they know how to create multiple zones and make a great epic scenario etc. And then the blizzard crew is so far unbeatable in amount of top notch games. The worst game blizzard created imo is Dungeon Keeper 2 which is a marvelous game anyway.
Ok they havent done MMORPGs before, but on the other hand they got EQ staff for the baselines in an MMORPG and the blizzard staff for the cool ideas and costumer knowledge.

And then just look at all the screenshots...
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wow/screenshotindex.aspx?PageNo=1&Set=0

Pictures like this:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=7&Set=12
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=8&Set=12
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=6&Set=12

gives u the feeling running around like lvl 1 and exploring will be better than DAoC is at the moment.

The ability/class tables is also amazing, over 1000 spells and abilitys divided on 8 races and 9 classes gives me the feeling they have a great variety between a shaman and a shaman for example.

And the basics for creating a good pvp system is great. Good vs Evil, its classic sure but still it feels like orc/undead vs the classic human alliance cant be anything else than fun Hell its funnier than fighting paladins and mages atleast. DAoCs races are kinda dull imo, id rather slay an orc then a furbie.

Atm, the pvp system might be kinda odd, but in a year maybe less they will if people ask for it have a great system for it since there is lots to build on, and if i know blizzard right backstab and dualwield wont be overpowered cause they alrdy got a balance system for such things to use from WC3. There u can kill a mage but wont stand a chance against a warrior as assasin.

Doh, cant finish got a test to write now. Be sure this will roxx anyway

Great post!
About the pvp system.
I don't know much about it but I saw a poll about a pvp server where they choosed if they should play pvp server or not if it would be one.
I don't know exactly how many votes it was but a few hundreds I think. The majority voted that would play the pvp server so there might come out a pvp server after it has been out for a while.
I dont think it will come at the release.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Zoldot
Great post!
About the pvp system.
I don't know much about it but I saw a poll about a pvp server where they choosed if they should play pvp server or not if it would be one.
I don't know exactly how many votes it was but a few hundreds I think. The majority voted that would play the pvp server so there might come out a pvp server after it has been out for a while.
I dont think it will come at the release.

What type of PvP will you offer?
We know that the player vs. player (PvP) option is very important to many gamers. Therefore, we plan to incorporate a form of player conflict into the World of Warcraft. However, players who do not wish to be participate in PvP combat will not be required to do so. The PvP system will be incorporated in a consensual way that will be fun for those who wish to take part in this form of combat. Announcements regarding PvP options in the World of Warcraft will be announced in the months ahead

^^ from the faq, there will most likely be PvP on every server. So the PvP server would be something similar to camlann, where PvP is enabled everywhere. You might have meant it that way, but to me I think you meant that there would be no PvP at all at release .

 

[Zoldot]

Originally posted by Driwen
What type of PvP will you offer?
We know that the player vs. player (PvP) option is very important to many gamers. Therefore, we plan to incorporate a form of player conflict into the World of Warcraft. However, players who do not wish to be participate in PvP combat will not be required to do so. The PvP system will be incorporated in a consensual way that will be fun for those who wish to take part in this form of combat. Announcements regarding PvP options in the World of Warcraft will be announced in the months ahead

^^ from the faq, there will most likely be PvP on every server. So the PvP server would be something similar to camlann, where PvP is enabled everywhere. You might have meant it that way, but to me I think you meant that there would be no PvP at all at release .

Yeah sry, I was typing the post when I talked to someone and I had to go so I just clicked the post button I never actually finished the post
Yeah I ment like PvP server where you can kill anyone almost anywhere.


We dont know much about the pvp system, it will come more information as you sad in ur post that you took from FAQ.

 

[infernalwrath]

Originally posted by jox
But hopefully the rouge MUST use backstab to win, and hopefully they cant be powerleveled by necros, or else we will have fgs with dragonfangspamming monkeys camping milegates in wow also.

said teh fotm player and teh zerg leader
Jox Jabberwock, SB<inactive>
Joxa Jarlsdotter, Savage
ps i guess when u runned with a skald + another sb around amg abusing your see hidden ra and dfrosting to death solo scouts and minstrel who u could see from miles away was tru 1337 skill

 

[blademistress]

Have you ever thought of how many spells there is in DaoC together? ^^


And for Arnor, you DO realize its Blizzard we're talking about? They're slower then slow when it comes to development.

EDIT: And, of course its also Almost as hyped, if not worse, then SWG, and will probably be the same there, will be boring in the beginning, until an expansion or two is out.(either downloadable or one you need to buy) which will spice up the game

 

[Kindar]

Originally posted by blademistress
Have you ever thought of how many spells there is in DaoC together? ^^


And for Arnor, you DO realize its Blizzard we're talking about? They're slower then slow when it comes to development.

EDIT: And, of course its also Almost as hyped, if not worse, then SWG, and will probably be the same there, will be boring in the beginning, until an expansion or two is out.(either downloadable or one you need to buy) which will spice up the game

Sounds to me you barely played any Blizzard games. They might be slow, but they are doing a great job. I think most of their games are nicely done.

Ehh...hyped and boring? 0_o Wtf you smoking? Why on earth start to play a game you find boring?

 

[nightsorrow]

gonna get horizons first, in beta now atm, then WoW;o, bb daoc then

 

[-fwapp-]

The fact that the game is being developed by Blizzard is all the reassurance I need to be honest, it cant fail to be great, all of their big games have that perfect signiature style about them, and this wont be any different. Daoc's ok but a bit past it now.

 

[old.Wildfire]

"IF u can stand the gfx there slightly retarded 4 year old kidbrother draw for em"

You sir are fucking blind. The graphics are cartoony but they are still gorgeous - they have some very talented artists (not to mention sound engineers, coders, modellers...) working for them, capable of producing massive amounts of high quality work. Fluff will never be an issue in WoW.

It's going to kick ass, Blizzard are perhaps the most reliably-talented developer/publisher in the world. Nay-sayers look at their track record of games and find me a bad one...don't come back until you do.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire

It's going to kick ass, Blizzard are perhaps the most reliably-talented developer/publisher in the world. Nay-sayers look at their track record of games and find me a bad one...don't come back until you do.

But the thing is that they've never made anything that's as complex as an mmorpg before. This is waaaaay beyond Warcraft. Even companies with experience of mmorpg development can mess it up. Nothing that Blizzard has done in the past really makes me think they can make an mmorpg that's perfect from day one, which is what many of the WoW cheerleaders on these boards and elsewhere are claiming.

As for the graphics: yes, they look great, but pre-rendered screenshots always do.

 

[iluvatur]

blizzard have some of EQ's team with them, thats the experience they need.

and look at the videos if you not sure about the screeniez ^^

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by iluvatur
blizzard have some of EQ's team with them, thats the experience they need.

and look at the videos if you not sure about the screeniez ^^

LOL yes, EQ never had any balance issues... and as for the videos, again, pre-rendered. Means nothing until it goes into beta.

 

[Arkian]

Originally posted by iluvatur
blizzard have some of EQ's team with them, thats the experience they need.

And of course the EQ people they have working for them were completely blameless in any single thing that was wrong with EQ?

Must be nice to be able to hire perfect employees, and run a perfect company......

Go start a WoW fan forum, the cheerleading is starting to get tiresome on a DAoC RvR forum.

 

[Kindar]

Originally posted by Gordonax
But the thing is that they've never made anything that's as complex as an mmorpg before. This is waaaaay beyond Warcraft. Even companies with experience of mmorpg development can mess it up. Nothing that Blizzard has done in the past really makes me think they can make an mmorpg that's perfect from day one, which is what many of the WoW cheerleaders on these boards and elsewhere are claiming.

As for the graphics: yes, they look great, but pre-rendered screenshots always do.

Maybe Blizzard don't have any mmorpg experience, but doubt Mythic had too. Daoc is decent, but im getting tired of it and they don't always got control of most of the things.
Imo I wouldn't worry about experience...

 

[old.Wildfire]

Do you even know what the term pre-rendered means?

Pre-rendered would imply that a screenshot has been specifically set up and posed on a far more graphically powerful computer than your average user. It would imply that more advanced rendering techniques are shown in the screenshot than will be found in the final game, and that the screenshot has been post-production edited to improve the graphics.

None of which apply to any WoW screenshots that have been labelled as in-game or "gameplay".

Please have a clue before using buzz-words.

Oh and MMORPGs aren't much different from balancing strategy games when it comes down to it. The number of variables may be different but they're all built from the same basic principles. As long as you keep track of those principles (something mythic never did with DAoC [think CC types/distributions/counters between realms]) you're in the green.