WoW vs Daoc

[Wabbit]

Yes, it's a new game.

The point is that you enjoyed the beta. You THINK, GAMBLE on that wow high levels is going to suck. You made up your mind before you played it and you don't want to change the idea you had of it.

What I wrote just now about you being too scared is just as illinformed as what you are chanting doom about now. It CAN be true, but it's just grasping for straws and can't be taken seriously if you're going to judge it by facts.

It doesn't change the fact that looking at what WoW contains so far has better solutions and features than what DAoC currently has.

Play it, or don't play it. That's totally up to your self, but if you don't want to play, there's no reason to 'create' ideas of a game that doesn't reflect how it plays or perhaps WILL play.

I haven't said a single word on how high end WoW will be, but based on the low end it looks promising and to predict the high end to be doomed based on nothing but speculation is stupid at best.

Sorry for the long quote...but what you do in your post is to tell Gord not to tell about what he "thinks" that might happen with WoW on the long term or what he "thinks" might be the end game....where you do exactely the same...you think (...."I haven't said a single word on how high end WoW will be, but based on the low end it looks promising"....) another example is this: "It doesn't change the fact that looking at what WoW contains so far has better solutions and features than what DAoC currently has. " YOU think what they have implemented is far better than Daoc...that what YOU think.,...that not a fact... stop babbeling the positive talk if we are not allowed to do our negative story

 

[Blitzing]

march 2005.

as far as i know, there have been put NO date on the release, not even a month. the only thing they have said, is its gonna be some time in the first quarter of the year, so it could be, january, or february or march. but lets hope sooner than march

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

wow wins cause of:

1. better engine just runs smoother
2. atmosfeer finaly normal music and REAL WARCRAFT style
3. WoW is already more advanced then daoc even though daoc is out for 3 years
4. Good and fun questing system
5. Better balancing classes
6. A provider that cares about there customers
7. Better support ingame


well i can keep this going for a list to about 2000 but ill keep it short that said wow is just so much more better then daoc in every damn way

or perhaps you're just so dam tired of daoc that even tetris is better atm ^^

 

[Blitzing]

or perhaps you're just so dam tired of daoc that even tetris is better atm ^^

or maybe wow just is better

 

[karpathus]

wow wins cause of:

1. better engine just runs smoother
2. atmosfeer finaly normal music and REAL WARCRAFT style
3. WoW is already more advanced then daoc even though daoc is out for 3 years
4. Good and fun questing system
5. Better balancing classes
6. A provider that cares about there customers
7. Better support ingame


well i can keep this going for a list to about 2000 but ill keep it short that said wow is just so much more better then daoc in every damn way

Hey,

AC2 ripoff!

- Karpathus NS++

 

[daoc_xianghua]

wow wins cause of:

1. better engine just runs smoother
2. atmosfeer finaly normal <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=music&v=55">music</a> and REAL WARCRAFT style
3. WoW is already more advanced then daoc even though daoc is out for 3 years
4. Good and fun questing system
5. Better balancing classes
6. A provider that cares about there customers
7. Better support ingame


well i can keep this going for a list to about 2000 but ill keep it short that said wow is just so much more better then daoc in every damn way

WoW provider for europe = GOA afaik =D

 

[daoc_xianghua]

well wow has the advantage, that they can see how all the other mmorpg have changed, and what they did to please their buyers. if mythic would start making a brand new mmorpg now, im 100% sure it would start out far more advanced than daoc was, cause they can see how all the older ones went, and what <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=55">people</a> wanted and liked. but yes i still like wow more, cause its a great game and a great atmosphere in the game. and it will 100% take alot of players from daoc when it is released in EU.

less zerg in daoc then /weee
let all the roleplayers go play wow i wont miss them at all

 

[Clipse]

^^ I wonder who has been surfing pron ^^

 

[popa]

i love wow

i tested wow and i love it and now now root no stun no mezz speel
nice quest system more craft and no just buy from merchant
sound at emotes the undead at say lol get a malign laughing i love it
emotes diferent 4 each race and many good stuff o forget no bug finded
but the EU version come too late 4 me on that time i will be sith or playing ROK:Mourning

 

[Leel]

Checked your link, and Mourning looks very promising, the system seems very nice. I'll prolly still stick with daoc though.

 

[Gordonax]

Yes, it's a new game.

The point is that you enjoyed the beta. You THINK, GAMBLE on that wow high levels is going to suck. You made up your mind before you played it and you don't want to change the idea you had of it.

No, I certainly hadn't made up my mind before hand. However, unlike many, I'm not going to race off to a new game and think it's automatically going to be brilliant. I'm not saying it isn't a good game - but to me, it felt like a single player game, and PvP, which is what I'm interested in, was basically unfinished.

What exactly is it with wow low levels that makes you think the high levels is going to suck? You have no idea whatsoever, there's no indication that it's going to since there's released so little information on it.

I didn't say high levels were going to suck: I said they weren't finished, and that good low levels weren't evidence that you would get good high levels.

You don't have to decide if you want to swap a game before it's out, but to downtalk it now, before you know anything about what you're talking about is just silly.

And the same is true of up-talking it, which lots and lots of people are doing.

I am optimistic because of what I have seen so far, you are pessimistic because of what you haven't seen. This looks like it applies to alot of people to be honest.

I'm actually not pessimistic, I'm simply not interested. WoW is NOT a competitor to DAoC: it's a different type of game.

What makes that the truth? It could just as easily be the other way around. The vast majority of the people who have tested it seems to disagree rigorously with what Divinia claims though. Claims that aren't exactly well arguemented.

The vast majority of people who tested it tested it because they already liked the Warcraft games, and so were likely to like WoW anyway. I don't like the Warcraft games, but I do like MMORPGs (WoW is the sixth one I've played).

You are aware of that what you describe as 'really good PvE questing' was all that really was implemented in the BETA(!) you tried? That's it. Oh, except the crafting, which I take it you're going to say is boring compared to DAoC's crafting?

Crafting isn't my big thing, but crafting in WoW was OK. It's not as good as the system in SWG, though. I was, however, glad to see fishing - the first decent fishing implementation since UO (I'm a sucker for fishing in games )

I think some of you are just too scared to try a new MMORPG and realise you might get addicted to that one aswell. "On some level we really don't want to play MMORPGS's, that's why we decide to not like a new one." MMORPG's made you scared of how much time you really put into them.

Like I said, WoW is the sixth MMORPG I've played (UO, EQ, DAoC, Lineage, and SWG being the others), all to endgame stage with the exception of WoW (for obvious reasons). These days it's pretty much all DAoC with a bit of SWG thrown in, basically because DAoC is still the only one with a good, reasonably balanced PvP system.

It doesn't change the fact that looking at what WoW contains so far has better solutions and features than what DAoC currently has.

Such as? It has better crafting, more PvE content, and a completely unproven PvP system. Given that I like PvP, that's a bit of a handicap. And before you say "but it's only in beta!" you're completely right: It's only a beta. Until I see how the aspects of the game that I like work, I'm not going to jump into the whole grind of levelling, something which - even with as much PvE content as WoW has - I find boring.

Play it, or don't play it. That's totally up to your self, but if you don't want to play, there's no reason to 'create' ideas of a game that doesn't reflect how it plays or perhaps WILL play.

Actually, why don't you take a look at what I wrote: "Neither you nor I nor anyone (including Blizzard) knows how it's going to work when it comes to the end game. Personally, I enjoyed WoW beta. But will I swap it for Daoc or SWG? Nah. Not until I know if its going to suck at high level."

No creating ideas there. The game play is OK, but it's not what I'm interested in. It doesn't have PvP of DAoC, and, because there are very limited classes, it lacks the potential for unique character development of SWG.

I haven't said a single word on how high end WoW will be, but based on the low end it looks promising and to predict the high end to be doomed based on nothing but speculation is stupid at best.

But if there's one thing that DAoC has taught us, it's that low level is no indication of how well something works at high level. It's like those people who play a class in BGs and think they know all about how well it's balanced in real RvR. That's the situation we're in with WoW at the moment.

 

[Gordonax]

as far as i know, there have been put NO date on the release, not even a month. the only thing they have said, is its gonna be some time in the first quarter of the year, so it could be, january, or february or march. but lets hope sooner than march

That March date is based on something that I was told by someone very close to Blizzard in Europe.

 

[Gordonax]

Hey,

AC2 ripoff!

Bingo. Actually a lot of WoW reminded me of AC2, although AC2 had a much, much better graphics engine.

 

[popa]

LOL u say swg crafting is better couse is whit macro all and u can goo too work and let the character crafting

 

[Asha]

I really liked WoW crafting because it was something you could do as you leveled, not a seperate thing. With herbalism/fishing/alchemy anyhow. And I like that there are so many things to interact with in the game other than mobs, npcs and players.

I really enjoyed playing a warrior because of all the weapon types, including guns, duel weild, claws... but I doubt I play one in release. Shame, taurens are so funny

And guys, let the haters stay in tired DAoC where they can redo 1-50 +SI quests +TOA +CATS when new uber catacombs toons come out so they can do uber fun keep takes zzzzzzzzzzzz

who cares if they play wow. who cares what their opinions about wow are? It's a fun game and only time will tell what the effect on DAoC is.

 

[enigma]

WoW provider for europe = GOA afaik =D

This is wrong. Blizzard hosts their own game.

Sorry for the long quote...but what you do in your post is to tell Gord not to tell about what he "thinks" that might happen with WoW on the long term or what he "thinks" might be the end game....where you do exactely the same...you think (...."I haven't said a single word on how high end WoW will be, but based on the low end it looks promising"....) another example is this: "It doesn't change the fact that looking at what WoW contains so far has better solutions and features than what DAoC currently has. " YOU think what they have implemented is far better than Daoc...that what YOU think.,...that not a fact... stop babbeling the positive talk if we are not allowed to do our negative story

No. You draw conclusion that I think wow end game WILL be great, I am saying that it looks promising based on what I have seen so far.

Oh get real. I have played both WoW and DAoC, I am not talking about merely gameplay, I am talking about in game features like the Auctionhouse, the way quests are a viable option to level on etc.

Are you saying that DAoC has better features implemented?

No, I certainly hadn't made up my mind before hand. However, unlike many, I'm not going to race off to a new game and think it's automatically going to be brilliant. I'm not saying it isn't a good game - but to me, it felt like a single player game, and PvP, which is what I'm interested in, was basically unfinished.

I am making my comments based on testing though, are you talking to me or someone else?

A single player game? Just because it allows both effective soloing and grouping doesn't make it that. There's not an obvious bonus in normal xping to be in a group, true, but it doesn't force you to solo. And if you think that the potions/first aid etc is as good at high end as they currently are at low end you're thinking wrong.

I didn't say high levels were going to suck: I said they weren't finished, and that good low levels weren't evidence that you would get good high levels.

Does that mean it's going to suck and won't be worth playing?

And the same is true of up-talking it, which lots and lots of people are doing.

So, basically, you feel the need to increase the negative talk to compensate even though it's not necessarily based on facts just guessing?

I'm actually not pessimistic, I'm simply not interested. WoW is NOT a competitor to DAoC: it's a different type of game.

Yet, you feel the need to defend DAoC?

The vast majority of people who tested it tested it because they already liked the Warcraft games, and so were likely to like WoW anyway. I don't like the Warcraft games, but I do like MMORPGs (WoW is the sixth one I've played).

I played some Warcraft 2, hated Warcraft 3, it wasn't a given that I would play WoW. But what I have seen so far doesn't put me off.

Crafting isn't my big thing, but crafting in WoW was OK. It's not as good as the system in SWG, though. I was, however, glad to see fishing - the first decent fishing implementation since UO (I'm a sucker for fishing in games )

SWG was nothing but macroes though.

Like I said, WoW is the sixth MMORPG I've played (UO, EQ, DAoC, Lineage, and SWG being the others), all to endgame stage with the exception of WoW (for obvious reasons). These days it's pretty much all DAoC with a bit of SWG thrown in, basically because DAoC is still the only one with a good, reasonably balanced PvP system.

The obvious reasons being that it's not implemented and can't be judged yet, right?

Such as? It has better crafting, more PvE content, and a completely unproven PvP system. Given that I like PvP, that's a bit of a handicap. And before you say "but it's only in beta!" you're completely right: It's only a beta. Until I see how the aspects of the game that I like work, I'm not going to jump into the whole grind of levelling, something which - even with as much PvE content as WoW has - I find boring.

What you are saying is that it has better crafting, more pve content and an unproven pvp system. Well, so of what you have tested it has BETTER crafting and more pve content in beta than daoc has after 3+ years?

The only handicap is that you can't make a qualified guess on how PVP is going to be. Does that mean that untill it's in and you know how it's going to be, you don't have very much to talk negative about?

Practically nothing since you said that pve and crafting was better, which is really all that has been implemented. What exactly, besides gfx ofcourse, is it that puts you off? PVE and crafting is better, what makes you think PVP will be such a failure that you don't want to play?

Actually, why don't you take a look at what I wrote: "Neither you nor I nor anyone (including Blizzard) knows how it's going to work when it comes to the end game. Personally, I enjoyed WoW beta. But will I swap it for Daoc or SWG? Nah. Not until I know if its going to suck at high level."

No creating ideas there. The game play is OK, but it's not what I'm interested in. It doesn't have PvP of DAoC, and, because there are very limited classes, it lacks the potential for unique character development of SWG.

Finally some issues that actually has founding. Why didn't you just say this instead of all the crap up there? (Here's a secret, I don't think I'll quit daoc for wow, but I'll probably play both, since daoc is ok and it's not black or white when it comes to having fun. )

But if there's one thing that DAoC has taught us, it's that low level is no indication of how well something works at high level. It's like those people who play a class in BGs and think they know all about how well it's balanced in real RvR. That's the situation we're in with WoW at the moment.

Yeah, when it comes to class balance etc that is true. But it doesn't mean that features and ways of doing things aren't more right in one game over the other.

:wub:

 

[Naugi]

That March date is based on something that I was told by someone very close to Blizzard in Europe.

Amazon says its released Feb 2005 but I dont know how reliable that is.

WoW >>>>>> Daoc imo (but then I am bored silly with Daoc).

At the end of the day I had fun in WoW beta and returned to Daoc where I dont have fun anymore (which was made horribly obvious after the time in WoW).

I think theres a certain kind of magic in any online game that can be found at the start and lasts on average for the first year of play. Once the magic is gone a lot of what remains is mechanically repeating the same actions (Is it really fun to kill Lurikeen #2049 and join keeptake #1038, for example).

More than likely WoW will lose its appeal after a year or more and become mechanical too. But for now I will be following the magic and moving to WoW asap.

 

[Gordonax]

LOL u say swg crafting is better couse is whit macro all and u can goo too work and let the character crafting

Pffff macroing is for the weak

What like about the SWG crafting system isn't the crafting itself - the act of crafting is always going to be all about pushing a button - but the resource quality spawn system, which makes gathering resources much more interesting.

 

[Gordonax]

I am making my comments based on testing though, are you talking to me or someone else?

Precisely. Testing is not the same as actual game play.

Does that mean it's going to suck and won't be worth playing?

Who knows? You don't.

So, basically, you feel the need to increase the negative talk to compensate even though it's not necessarily based on facts just guessing?

*sigh* Not at all. I'm simply giving my opinion. I doubt very much that anyone will act on it. And, of course, your positive opinion is at least as much based on guessing, not on facts.

Yet, you feel the need to defend DAoC?
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SWG was nothing but macroes though.

If you think that, you haven't played recently. And of course, macroing wasn't compulsory. I've made it through the entire camping tree - possibly the most tedious of all - without macroing a single time.

The obvious reasons being that it's not implemented and can't be judged yet, right?

Correct. Which means I've seen nothing which would make me choose WoW.

What you are saying is that it has better crafting, more pve content and an unproven pvp system. Well, so of what you have tested it has BETTER crafting and more pve content in beta than daoc has after 3+ years?

AC2 had both better than DAoC in beta, as did SWG. Content and crafting are not the hard bits of an MMORPG - it's when you get conflict between players in the form of PvP that you need to work really hard.

The only handicap is that you can't make a qualified guess on how PVP is going to be. Does that mean that untill it's in and you know how it's going to be, you don't have very much to talk negative about?

Yes, because until it has a PvP system, it isn't offering me anything that I'm interested in.

Practically nothing since you said that pve and crafting was better, which is really all that has been implemented. What exactly, besides gfx ofcourse, is it that puts you off? PVE and crafting is better, what makes you think PVP will be such a failure that you don't want to play?

Because those aspects of games don't interest me much, and because they're the easiest things to do in a game? People only start screaming about how fucked up a game is when they're losing at PvP all the time, or when the PvP system isn't good enough to maintain an interest.

Finally some issues that actually has founding. Why didn't you just say this instead of all the crap up there?

Ummm, what "crap"? That I didn't find anything in the game to interest me? That's an opinion.

(Here's a secret, I don't think I'll quit daoc for wow, but I'll probably play both, since daoc is ok and it's not black or white when it comes to having fun. )

I'm not sure I'll play both, simply because I barely have the time to do two games and can't see myself giving up SWG. But I'll play it for a couple of months, I suspect.

 

[Wabbit]

No. You draw conclusion that I think wow end game WILL be great, I am saying that it looks promising based on what I have seen so far.

Oh get real. I have played both WoW and DAoC, I am not talking about merely gameplay, I am talking about in game features like the Auctionhouse, the way quests are a viable option to level on etc.

Are you saying that DAoC has better features implemented?

Lol read your own posts...Im not allowed to say WoW is crap cos I think gfx are annoying, gameplay is easymode etc cos its not based on "research" but only on my opinion....you post your OPINION that you THINK WoW might be good and you THINK there's better features in WoW, bit weird id say....and still yes there's things that are better in Daoc than in WoW (thinking of the number of realms, classes, diversity in paths etc, thinking of the fact that you have 8 people in a group, thinking of Daoc has 10 times the usefull /commands than WoW currently has)...sure lots of things might be better in WoW...but not everything is...

and please leave people with their opinion about WoW...be it postive or negative...(you sound like the WoW salesman imho

 

[censi]

i hope all the leeterz migrate to wow.

half the problem with daoc is the "fortehwin!" players that will do "Anything" fortehwin.

anything being:

radar
fixed fotm group formats
bug use

or in a nutshell RVR guilds. (lots of gr8 players in rvr guilds, but its the very principle of them i hate, and 99% of the radar users are in the rvr guilds)

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

i hope all the leeterz migrate to wow.

half the problem with daoc is the "fortehwin!" players that will do "Anything" fortehwin.

anything being:

radar
fixed fotm group formats
bug use

or in a nutshell RVR guilds. (lots of gr8 players in rvr guilds, but its the very principle of them i hate, and 99% of the radar users are in the rvr guilds)

So true censi... so true...

 

[enigma]

Do you know that all this came from you saying you're not sure that wow lowend gameplay is better than daoc lowend gameplay? I'm still wondering what about wow lowend gameplay that is worse than daocs lowend gameplay..

Precisely. Testing is not the same as actual game play.

We tested how the game played, I'd say that we got a feeling of how the gameplay was.

Who knows? You don't.

I know how much fun I had playing the content that was already in. Also knowing how Blizzard works I doubt that they will introduce anything that will scare customers off.

*sigh* Not at all. I'm simply giving my opinion. I doubt very much that anyone will act on it. And, of course, your positive opinion is at least as much based on guessing, not on facts.

No. I'm not guessing, I am commenting the part of the game I have played. You are the one guessing that the high end won't be playable.

If you think that, you haven't played recently. And of course, macroing wasn't compulsory. I've made it through the entire camping tree - possibly the most tedious of all - without macroing a single time.

Tedious, camping. Sounds fun! Much better than "embedded into gameplay" and painless.

Correct. Which means I've seen nothing which would make me choose WoW.

I haven't seen alot of things that makes me think it's going to suck. However I liked the way they made the low levels. If they can make something which is perceived as a grind in other games fun, I think I'm allowed to hope that the high end will contain some fun too. What makes you think otherwise I don't know. /shrug

AC2 had both better than DAoC in beta, as did SWG. Content and crafting are not the hard bits of an MMORPG - it's when you get conflict between players in the form of PvP that you need to work really hard.

I never played AC2 more than 2 hours so I wouldn't know. That they made it flop won't necessarily mean that Blizzard will let WoW flop.

Yes, because until it has a PvP system, it isn't offering me anything that I'm interested in.

Good, so we've established that you don't have very much negative to say. That's really the point I wanted to make with this entire post.

 

[katt!]

So true censi... so true...

compared to people rerolling whatever stealther is fotm at the moment? xD

 

[enigma]

Lol read your own posts...Im not allowed to say WoW is crap cos I think gfx are annoying, gameplay is easymode etc cos its not based on "research" but only on my opinion....you post your OPINION that you THINK WoW might be good and you THINK there's better features in WoW, bit weird id say....and still yes there's things that are better in Daoc than in WoW (thinking of the number of realms, classes, diversity in paths etc, thinking of the fact that you have 8 people in a group, thinking of Daoc has 10 times the usefull /commands than WoW currently has)...sure lots of things might be better in WoW...but not everything is...

and please leave people with their opinion about WoW...be it postive or negative...(you sound like the WoW salesman imho

You are allowed as much as you want to say that wow gfx is crap.

Ok, 3 realms is better than 2, why is 8 people better than 5? I like that you don't have to know the /commands or even use them, everything you need is there as buttons you can click and they are put in intuitive places.

Give reasons to WHY features you like about daoc are better.

Opinions are good, when I don't understand an opinion I'd like to know more about the reasons, that's why I post.