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old.Spug
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Dont be silly Aerran, Skalds dont output damage.
Dont be silly Aerran, Skalds dont output damage.
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ImLestat
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Oh you agree that it is silly? Why post it in the first place then at all???
About the 8 BD's vs 8 other chars I just have to agree with Kerram.
And I'm actually telling you to read up on what has been said before you start posting silly things, and I will stick by that.
Edit: Btw I'm trying to show that I'm reasonable here with the example of Sorcerer CC. I could easlily start screaming for a nerf there, but I won't. You however seem to be the type of guy who run around screaming "NERF!!!" left and right.
About the 8 BD's vs 8 other chars I just have to agree with Kerram.
And I'm actually telling you to read up on what has been said before you start posting silly things, and I will stick by that.
Edit: Btw I'm trying to show that I'm reasonable here with the example of Sorcerer CC. I could easlily start screaming for a nerf there, but I won't. You however seem to be the type of guy who run around screaming "NERF!!!" left and right.
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8 BD will just suck arse big time.
thats 16 healer pets, very scary.
sorcerer mez range is stupid, decrease it to 1500 like all other mezzes
thats 16 healer pets, very scary.
sorcerer mez range is stupid, decrease it to 1500 like all other mezzes
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old.TeaSpoon
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We'll call it a deal if you give us some decent insta AoE Stun/Mezz for sorcs instead. 1500 range of course....
And BD's are not that bad. Zerg it, and it dies. The end.
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Originally posted by majingas
especially when you consider that on all the US boards BD's are considerd a nerfed RvR class allready.
oooo.. that was intresting.. if US boards think they are gimp they might even be some lovin comming.....
now THAT would be intresting...
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Kerram Darktyde
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Originally posted by old.TeaSpoon
We'll call it a deal if you give us some decent insta AoE Stun/Mezz for sorcs instead. 1500 range of course....
And BD's are not that bad. Zerg it, and it dies. The end.
Ofc teaspoon add insta CC to sorc you do know that it would cost you ALL you damage dealing spells and your charm spells
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old.TeaSpoon
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Originally posted by Kerram Darktyde
Ofc teaspoon add insta CC to sorc you do know that it would cost you ALL you damage dealing spells and your charm spells
Change cloth armour for something a bit better......and what do we have? a crap version of a healer!
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Kerram Darktyde
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yep
maybe all classes should be ALL changed into healers Imagine the Epic and LONG RvR battles
maybe all classes should be ALL changed into healers Imagine the Epic and LONG RvR battles
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who said nerf?
BD skellys are useless!! .. not the healer tho
Darkspec BDs are a joke at higher lvl's (Is there any 45+ DarkBD on EU servers at all?)!!
BD skellys are useless!! .. not the healer tho
Darkspec BDs are a joke at higher lvl's (Is there any 45+ DarkBD on EU servers at all?)!!
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dakeyras
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Agree with dropping the parry buff and loosing the interrupt ability. (Already been asked for by the TL)
Would agree also with a reduction in 2H weaponskill.
But if the evade is reduced then the class would be gutted. In that case raise weaponskill back to beta levels and the evade wouldn't matter.
Alot of balancing was done to savages during beta, and I think they got it mostly right. Reduced weaponskill and increased hp cost of buffs. Sort out the odd bugs like the interupt and the occasional quad hitting 5+ times and the class is sorted.
One point I will concede is that I feel there was an assumption during design that all savages would spec H2H and therefore beta testing balanced savages on that assumption. That is probably why 2H weaponskill wasn't reduced. It wouldn't surprise me to see 2h reduction sneak into the smallprint of a future patch.
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this post has taken me all day at work to read. thanks.
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thegreatest
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Lol same here, what a waste of my 1 hour to read this topic, nothing new here its all the same whining at 100s of same nerf bd topics
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They are overpowered. No point saying there not. :kissit:
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IMO gifv me bolt range mez and u can have my aoestun/instant mez anyday. o and qc mez to thanks.... Healer has the worst time in rvr ever UNLESS u have a uber group setup.... albs can play with any setup usually doesnt have to be uber 1 clerics/1minstrel/1sorc and any other classes doesnt really matter... uhave a dediacted healer... mid need 4 classes 2 healers/1shammy/1skald so pllzz shhh || Im sure if healers had Bolt range mez u albs would complain about that to..
AE instant stun lasts about 2 secs on people with good resists its not even worth using unless u use it and mez after.
same with instant mez ment to last like 30 secs ends up lasting 5 sec.... gg mythic
WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE
AE instant stun lasts about 2 secs on people with good resists its not even worth using unless u use it and mez after.
same with instant mez ment to last like 30 secs ends up lasting 5 sec.... gg mythic
WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE
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hangianix
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That's sure Grizlas, but if you have an uber setup - with mend/aug + pac/mend healer duo (tho I guess not too easy to get them) - it will be better anytime than cleric+sorc one (I meany in utility).
About BD's - yes, they are badly overpowered in skirmishes - but as killeable as any caster class in fg vs fg fight (tho you need to do that quicker due to insta LT ).
About BD's - yes, they are badly overpowered in skirmishes - but as killeable as any caster class in fg vs fg fight (tho you need to do that quicker due to insta LT
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uke:FO ALB whiner:mgwhore2::knight::mgwhore:
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All you non mid peeps moan that BD are the best solo class and can beat whoever, the fact is one class is going to be the best, and whoever has it is goin to get moaned at. What was it before Bd's ... oh let me think - oh yes friars! well they are still uber, and have no real trouble 1v1'ing a tank. As for moaning about 6 ppl dying to BD, u must have played quite strangely. I think ive said whats been said many times but you still dont seem to get the message? BD's aint overpowered. (fullstop )
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BD's
Ok, after some experimenting with solo'ing bd's at MMG with my infi, I came to a conclusion - dont do it.
Commander would be easy to kill if I landed a full pa combo, but pets movement is so eratic, thats nearly impossible.
Does lifetap need a nerf? Probably not imo, damage is hurty, but not obscene. Something like 1 healer pet max limit, and/or power restrictions on pets seems like better options to me.
Of course, I have no idea how this would affect pve.....
Ok, after some experimenting with solo'ing bd's at MMG with my infi, I came to a conclusion - dont do it.
Commander would be easy to kill if I landed a full pa combo, but pets movement is so eratic, thats nearly impossible.
Does lifetap need a nerf? Probably not imo, damage is hurty, but not obscene. Something like 1 healer pet max limit, and/or power restrictions on pets seems like better options to me.
Of course, I have no idea how this would affect pve.....
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who disagree that bd are overpowered ?only bd i am afraid >.<
and who agree?hmm i think rest mids also agree,and anyone who ever met one 1v1 or anything different then fg vs 1 agrees i am afraid...
but then again with 20% power they work much better ,so dunno if there will be enuff whines for a small "fix" like LA got xD
like lifetap moved on some time cast or smth to "balance" ~
and who agree?hmm i think rest mids also agree,and anyone who ever met one 1v1 or anything different then fg vs 1 agrees i am afraid...
but then again with 20% power they work much better ,so dunno if there will be enuff whines for a small "fix" like LA got xD
like lifetap moved on some time cast or smth to "balance" ~
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Aerran Darktyde
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Wrong
I dont have a BD main or a high level one.. I do have one then i have or have had every class in game...If you look back over the many Nerf BD threads you will find albs that agree that BD are NOT overpowered.
I believe that The US guys dont think BD are overpowered (Someone claimed this on one thread) if this is true then no nerf will happen
For the last dam time the game is RvR not PvP get over your dam selves and play the game, I have seen many classes Solo Multipule enemy, I have seen 1v1 fights where the loser does not even damage his opponent (not only stun Nuke nuke fights)
Necros were not Overpowerful they used an EXPLOIT (as Mythic called it not me)
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Like i said BD's are not overpowerd and are actually reguarded as a bit crap in most RvR situations.
I,ve died several times in 1v1 fights mind you its been down to my stupidity mostly cos eather my pets wonderd off somwhere without me notising or my dam buffs going timing out at an inconvenient time.
Point is most RvR is actually down to ppl making eather the best use of ther chars the worse use or the situation everyone flufs up sometimes and sometimes you do everything right.
The thing about a few classes BD's included is if you do make a mistake when fighting them then thay tend to kill you i.e. there unforgiving and you dont get a second chance.
In keep takes/defence id use my shamen everytime because he is undoubtedly uber at it however running allone accross the fronteer he is just free exp for any stelther that happens by.
Put a BD in a keep or a zerg and there a bit useless.
Horses for corses
the above applies to supp BD's only (mind you the other 2 lines are total crap so all you will ever problay see are high supp BD's)
I,ve died several times in 1v1 fights mind you its been down to my stupidity mostly cos eather my pets wonderd off somwhere without me notising or my dam buffs going timing out at an inconvenient time.
Point is most RvR is actually down to ppl making eather the best use of ther chars the worse use or the situation everyone flufs up sometimes and sometimes you do everything right.
The thing about a few classes BD's included is if you do make a mistake when fighting them then thay tend to kill you i.e. there unforgiving and you dont get a second chance.
In keep takes/defence id use my shamen everytime because he is undoubtedly uber at it however running allone accross the fronteer he is just free exp for any stelther that happens by.
Put a BD in a keep or a zerg and there a bit useless.
Horses for corses
the above applies to supp BD's only (mind you the other 2 lines are total crap so all you will ever problay see are high supp BD's)
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As a BD I can take more than 1 person at a time in a fight, but only in some situations, being buffed helps, sometimes early in the mornings i would goto emain and theres the usual albs camping at mmg, as many as 1fg at times, but often less, and sometimes they get bored and stray off etc or theres some mids coming to help, id go there and root as many as possible with my baseline root (its quite effective) and then try to kill them 1 by 1, yes a normal caster could not do this so well because he gets interrupted, and if one of the people doesnt get rooted i can kill him, even if hes beating on me, in big rvr using baseline nuke+lifetap i have almost as much damage output as a main nuker, id say probably 70-80% of the damage that they do, but this drains my powerbar VERY fast, our little BD team uses powerpotions like they are crack, and we are all addicts
Btw, by big rvr i meant zerg vs zerg, 1fg vs 1fg BD can be quite lethal, especially if you have 3-4 of them in a group and good mezzers/buffers, but anyway in zergs its all about who does the most damage fastest (and mezz most opponents), and bonedancer just doesnt match up to it, most buffed casters can do 500-600+ damage every 1.5 seconds, bd can use there baseline which is probably 150 damage every 1.5 seconds and a lifetap for 200-390 every 4 seconds.
Conclusion, BD has there bad points (big rvr) and good points (solo-8 man rvr), if lifetap was to be made castable, they would suck at both, if lifetap damage was lessend or had a bigger recast timer, they would be worse off but not totally unplayable (yes it would piss me off, its already bad damage, 4 sec timer is nice though, just remember its the only offensive DD the supp BD has, dont even mention the baseline)
Btw, by big rvr i meant zerg vs zerg, 1fg vs 1fg BD can be quite lethal, especially if you have 3-4 of them in a group and good mezzers/buffers, but anyway in zergs its all about who does the most damage fastest (and mezz most opponents), and bonedancer just doesnt match up to it, most buffed casters can do 500-600+ damage every 1.5 seconds, bd can use there baseline which is probably 150 damage every 1.5 seconds and a lifetap for 200-390 every 4 seconds.
Conclusion, BD has there bad points (big rvr) and good points (solo-8 man rvr), if lifetap was to be made castable, they would suck at both, if lifetap damage was lessend or had a bigger recast timer, they would be worse off but not totally unplayable (yes it would piss me off, its already bad damage, 4 sec timer is nice though, just remember its the only offensive DD the supp BD has, dont even mention the baseline)