Why is Midgard SUCH EASY MODE ???!

[faderullan]

Why not try do everything right? Whats the point making a gimped group who wont be able kill anything? I notice directly when something is wrong with my group. 3 keys to make good albion group.
1: All in group are actually good players.
2: All in group have high realm rank. (~rr7 minimum on important classes in group)
3: Use the right setup. Nothing will work unless you use the right classcombination.

 

[den_arid]

Just try making good groups before saying its impossible..

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
Alright, put this reasoning in your pipe and smoke it.

http://daoc.gamescape.com/handler.c...eport=top100Characters&minLevel=5&maxLevel=50

Why are the top 13 players in the world all hib or mid?

Why are there more RR10 from alb on Excal, then from Mid?
Easy mode


And by the way - RP is such an "nice" statistical tool for such usage - because we all know (lol) that it is directly deferable from the "owerpowering" of classes and has absolutly nothing to do with, for instance playing time, groups, opponents and such.

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Xandax
Why are there more RR10 from alb on Excal, then from Mid?
Easy mode


And by the way - RP is such an "nice" statistical tool for such usage - because we all know (lol) that it is directly deferable from the "owerpowering" of classes and has absolutly nothing to do with, for instance playing time, groups, opponents and such.

And no alb player until No. 14 is clearly coincidence.

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by faderullan
Why not try do everything right? Whats the point making a gimped group who wont be able kill anything? I notice directly when something is wrong with my group. 3 keys to make good albion group.
1: All in group are actually good players.
2: All in group have high realm rank. (~rr7 minimum on important classes in group)
3: Use the right setup. Nothing will work unless you use the right classcombination.

Perhaps some people have the time to effort to make a flawless group with flawless people in order to have a acceptable chance of success. Perhaps some people have the time and effort to make rr10, 8 and 6 characters respectively. Perhaps some people have better priorities.

 

[gwal]

Originally posted by catalina
Alb vs Mid main problem is end regen.

As an alb tank your main targets are healers/shammie so u wanna get stuck into them asap and here lies the problem. Mid has end regen as a buff so the healers/shammie can just sprint round in circles while the ooe tanks try in vain to catch em, but wait we have pala end regen. Or not, since pala gets mezzed for full duration and chants stop when mezzed/stunned.

Basically if u chase the mid healers you're screwed cos the 3 /assisting savages tear your support classes up in no time while you can't catch the healers, if you try to take on the tanks and protect clerics the healers can stand around unchallenged.

One small change would make a huge difference, let pala chant run while mezzed/stunned. Otherwise you might as well ditch the pala for a det tank, or pick him up from atk every 30mins when his purge is up.

what the heck are u talking about, if ur pally is mezzed for so long it gives ur grp trouble, u havnt red what I said:

learn to play

now stop talking bs

 

[Rulke-RM]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
I want to win against people who spend more time playing, have higher RR chars and better players in more balanced groups, and if I don't i'll say they are overpowered

 

[loxleyhood]

So every savage is just somebody who plays more. Thats why Midgard is rerolling savages left, right and center, so they can play more.

Look, if you're going to attempt to say something, make sure it makes sense.

 

[loxleyhood]

In fact Rulke. Are savages overpowered.

Say yes, and I win.

Say no and you're either a retard or a liar.

Your choice.

Savages just being this patch's example.

 

[gwal]

Originally posted by faderullan
I would love transfer for 1 week. I still believe mids on excal never met any albs like pe. Or that is at least what i hear. I dont really understand why the difference in quality in enemies would be that big. On prydwen, we almost only meet fotm mid groups. And its almost only fg vs fg fights. On excal i hear its loads of zerg fights and loads of random groups out. In my opinion you learn more from fighting fg then fighting zerg. On prydwen there are not many random groups are out because they seem to bored of only dying to rvr guilds.

Or maybe you have played against all those easy enemies on prydwen? Otherwise you are very welcome to come try.

And how do you even expect to win over a fg fotm if you play with 2h armsmen in group like yourself?

All this is said goes to zlair too.

dunno if its changed lately, but its not long ago I played mid/prydwen, and during a month or so there, I saw nothing that made me want to keep playing there. it felt like a complete repeat of being in albion/excal - filled with whiners, and ppl who couldnt rvr properly.

no1 assists, no1 knows how to do a mezz (even when getting the enemy form behind, with instas up they cant get a mezz in), and lots of them are low RR.

ofc, there are exceptions to every rule, but the general population is such, which means it´s quite a lot easier to fight against.

but as u say, albion is strong if played right, I cant come to think of loosing a single FG vs FG fight during the time we´ve had a guild grp up in the last 3 days (that would be somewhere around 12 or so hours of rvr. ofc, that might be casue I dont WANT to remember loosing such a one )

so I´ll just repeat:

Originally posted by gwal
yawn at theese boring posts..

first off:
learn to play

secondly:
play decent grp setup

now, if u still have major issues, go post a whine - goes for all of u whining sadlings out there.

 

[Rulke-RM]

Who said anything about savages? I thought we were comparing albs on excal to albs on pryd.

People who spend more time playing and practising will be better than people who play casually, this is true of everything, all games, all sports. After all what would be the point of playing a game where any random noob can beat a skilled & practised person?

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

Originally posted by Stallion-
hib is easy mode when u run 2fg with 8 pbers ^^

because hib is the only realm with pb classes

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
because hib is the only realm with pb classes

Hib is the only realm that can make the best of pbaoe groups due to GP.

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
Perhaps some people have the time to effort to make a flawless group with flawless people in order to have a acceptable chance of success. Perhaps some people have the time and effort to make rr10, 8 and 6 characters respectively. Perhaps some people have better priorities.

You dont have to put time into it. And you dont have to use a good setup. But dont expect to win over people that do then.

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Rulke-RM
Who said anything about savages? I thought we were comparing albs on excal to albs on pryd.

People who spend more time playing and practising will be better than people who play casually, this is true of everything, all games, all sports. After all what would be the point of playing a game where any random noob can beat a skilled & practised person?

We're comparing the realms in general. Sure, experience has a huge part of the equation, but you cannot deny that Midgard and Hiberna both have far superior classes than Albion. One might even go as far to say, overpowered classes?

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by old.Sko
http://www.duskwave.com/daoc/viewcharacter.php?id=337500

i said play prydwen, 35k rps is like less then a day work , m8

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

Originally posted by Rollie
Hib is the only realm that can make the best of pbaoe groups due to GP.

yes and we can insta mezz and then throw a castable aoe stun on top of it and let the pbers do the work... oops no that's another realm

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by faderullan
You dont have to put time into it. And you dont have to use a good setup. But dont expect to win over people that do then.

The point is, which seems to have so gracefully sped right over your head that the Albion good setup is far harder to acheive than any other realm.

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
The point is, which seems to have so gracefully sped right over your head that the Albion good setup is far harder to acheive than any other realm.

This i know. But its not like its impossible

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
yes and we can insta mezz and then throw a castable aoe stun on top of it and let the pbers do the work... oops no that's another realm

pbaoe groups arent no where near as effective in the others realms purely down to group purge, its not an argument its a fact.

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by faderullan
This i know. But its not like its impossible

Nobody said it was.

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

Originally posted by Rollie
pbaoe groups arent no where near as effective in the others realms purely down to group purge, its not an argument its a fact.

no fact is savage groups are 100 times more efficient (not only due to GP) - and I don't blame any mids for using them

actually i really enjoy the current savage plague - when 90% of all active mid tanks are savages even mythic will notice something is wrong... or?

 

[catalina]

Originally posted by faderullan
Why not try do everything right? Whats the point making a gimped group who wont be able kill anything? I notice directly when something is wrong with my group. 3 keys to make good albion group.
1: All in group are actually good players.
2: All in group have high realm rank. (~rr7 minimum on important classes in group)
3: Use the right setup. Nothing will work unless you use the right classcombination.

And here lies the main problem with the game as it is today:

You shouldn't NEED to run with a specific group setup to have a chance to win, there should be lots of viable group combinations for RvR that don't rely on det tanks.
I mean come on, with what you're saying why bother to roll any of the following classes:

sorcerer - dead in seconds most of the time now
cabalist - oO
necro - fine if you wanna farm/PL bot, but RvR?
reaver - you aren't wanted for groups cos you got no det
friar - yay u got buffs and resists, sorry mate no det, FO
wizard - dead in seconds, if you do manage to live your dmg is severely gimped by SC and RA's


SC was the single biggest mistake mythic ever made imo, there's no need to hunt for that uber item with great resists, or that nice weapon with awesome stats. Now you farm some cash, cap out with SC and you don't need to worry about drops.

 

[osrim]

Yawning

Originally posted by zlair
ROFL!

thats why u say its not a hard mode!!!

mids on pryd sux donkey balls!

I play mid prydwen and alb xcal.

Prydwen > Xcal what comes to rvr as I see. Quite hard get Fg vs Fg fights xcal.

I seen countless times tanks sticking on tanks when healers healing em, assisting etc...albs have lot to learn generally on xcal how to rvr.

Zerging dont make good players.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
no fact is savage groups are 100 times more efficient (not only due to GP) - and I don't blame any mids for using them

actually i really enjoy the current savage plague - when 90% of all active mid tanks are savages even mythic will notice something is wrong... or?

errrmm where did i mention savage, we were discussing the effectiveness of pbaoe groups in the 3 realms.

its amazing how when discussing something all of a sudden a savage whine is thrown in at random.

You say this

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
because hib is the only realm with pb classes

Originally posted by Rollie
Hib is the only realm that can make the best of pbaoe groups due to GP.

Its simple to see where my respose was going, why whine about savages?

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

Originally posted by Rollie
errrmm where did i mention savage, we were discussing the effectiveness of pbaoe groups in the 3 realms.

its amazing how when discussing something all of a sudden a savage whine is thrown in at random.

no I was just pointing out that it doesnt make sense to use a group setup that is inferior to another (like mid pbaoe compared to mid tank groups) - which does not mean that mid pbaoe groups are gimped - aoe stun is pretty damn handy and with 2 CCs on different timer it should not be hard to get CC in (in case of pb group: insta mezz then castable stun) - BAoD is a non-issue these days (most chanters dont even have it anymore and there are almost more elds in RvR now than chanters)

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
no I was just pointing out that it doesnt make sense to use a group setup that is inferior to another (like mid pbaoe compared to mid tank groups) - which does not mean that mid pbaoe groups are gimped - aoe stun is pretty damn handy and with 2 CCs on different timer it should not be hard to get CC in (in case of pb group: insta mezz then castable stun) - BAoD is a non-issue these days (most chanters dont even have it anymore and there are almost more elds in RvR now than chanters)

what you pointed out had nothing to do with the discussion we were having.

If albs/mids had GP you would see more pbaoe groups, but unfortunately they dont, so you wont see many.

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by catalina
And here lies the main problem with the game as it is today:

You shouldn't NEED to run with a specific group setup to have a chance to win, there should be lots of viable group combinations for RvR that don't rely on det tanks.
I mean come on, with what you're saying why bother to roll any of the following classes:

sorcerer - dead in seconds most of the time now
cabalist - oO
necro - fine if you wanna farm/PL bot, but RvR?
reaver - you aren't wanted for groups cos you got no det
friar - yay u got buffs and resists, sorry mate no det, FO
wizard - dead in seconds, if you do manage to live your dmg is severely gimped by SC and RA's


SC was the single biggest mistake mythic ever made imo, there's no need to hunt for that uber item with great resists, or that nice weapon with awesome stats. Now you farm some cash, cap out with SC and you don't need to worry about drops.

And still albion needs more chars for group then the other realms.

Lets compare melee groups between the realms.

Albion need 6 classes.
2*Cleric
2*Mercenery
Paladin
Theurgist
Sorcerer
Minstrel
=2 determination tanks

Midgard 4-5 classes
3*Healer
Shaman
Skald
2*Savage
Savage/Warrior
=3 determination tanks

Hibernia 4-5 classes
1*Hero
3*Blademaster
2*Druid
1*Bard
Druid/Bard/Warden
=4 determination tanks

And about the spellcraft thing. I think it was good. Not all want to stay in pve and hunt for specific items you know.

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

Originally posted by Rollie
what you pointed out had nothing to do with the discussion we were having.

If albs/mids had GP you would see more pbaoe groups, but unfortunately they dont, so you wont see many.

hmm ok last post on this subject:

you claimed that mid pbaoe groups are not as effective as hib ones - which I say is not true. Yes you dont have GP which is very nice for caster groups but you got other stuff to make up for it (like aoe stun). And in case something goes wrong you can still use single purge.

which brings me back to the intention of my post: mids dont use PBAOE groups because they are worse than hib ones but because they are worse than mid tank groups (even without savages if that makes you happy)

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Garbannoch Nox
hmm ok last post on this subject:

you claimed that mid pbaoe groups are not as effective as hib ones - which I say is not true. Yes you dont have GP which is very nice for caster groups but you got other stuff to make up for it (like aoe stun). And in case something goes wrong you can still use single purge.

they are not as effective simply cause 2 droods gives 2Gp and if each person has purge that means there is a purge available every 10 mins in theory compared to an alb/mid every 30 mins, and since casters/support get nothing to help with CC except sorc it just isnt as effective.