Why are the soloers gone?

[Xajorkith]

Heya,

Not every day I make thread in this section but I feel I've not gotten an answer on this question. I tried to find it out myself without success.

Before the 1.82 patch there were plenty of soloers around, also there were a lesser amount of "together-we-are-strong" people looking for the "alone-I-am-strong" people. At Dun Crauchon you could actually find other likeminded people and have a fight without being disturbed.

Then 1.82 came, I made a new template and went out again. Oh how dissappointed I was. It's close to impossible to find a proper fight, and the soloers are nowhere to be seen. I don't know where they are gone and why, can't understand it either. So my simple question is;

Where and why are the soloers gone?

Call it a whine, call it whatever you want. However, it is a question.

Firstly 1.82 was a boost for Assassins, so many new FoTMS came out and this meant a flood of noobs.... and these they were fodder for the Middle and high RR assassins and to some degree the High RR archers.

So the FoTMs then had to group up to combat the more experienced assassins and archers and to give them more of a chance to survive adders (Caused by more low RR assassins in a small place).

The boosts directly effected the archers as they can only beat assassins if they timer dump, of course if there are more assassins around you can't efficiently timer dump, so archers spend much time getting no RPs. Archers who used to run solo started to form duos (e.g. me).

The FGs situation is also bad they don’t stay in Agramon and they wander around on speed six desperately looking for any rps they can find, they have to kill many many soloers to claim they had a good night! 90% of my deaths are being rolled by a FG who were no where to be seen when I started the fight!

I also agree with Shafu about travelling but he also forgot that people don't exp art's in NF anymore, so again no soloers running to exp points.

iRvR also knocks out one zone for solors, if no iRvR there are three zones, so more assassins (but less archers) and less zones. The Hunter TL suggested to hunters to park their Hunters at 1.82, he actually did (plays Shaman now).

I've seen many surprising things in the last couple of weeks...
Jarvio (R9) with Sorc bot.
Dafft (R9) with 4 other stealthers
Alb and Hib stealthers using DI bots (not mid though)
FG of Hibs stealthers (all less than R4).
Infils (Rambo R10) running and poping stealths in visual FG.

And then I think what have I done since 1.82... well I grouped with four guild hunters and killed huge numbers, I also now run 90% of the time duo (/wave Eul). To solo means instant death, it’s too hard to find a good fight (I'm no FoTM assassin either!) so it’s group up or play an alt… and I don’t have another alt
The new armour tables is another nerf to archers (loss of +10% advantage using heaters) so I expect the situation to carry on getting worse for archers.

 

[Castus]

Its dead,deceased and long may it stay so.

 

[Gahn]

Cause there are way too many morons, hope at least they got fun emselves. Am off to pub or watch a movie this night too altho so i won't complain.
Also Castus ppl like u makes the world worse since u can't bare with ppl having a different point of view than yours nor able to respect diversity.
Would add more but it would end in a ban so i will leave at it.

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

1. the reward is bigger when the goal remains the same, now how hard can it be to understand?

2. The game reward you for killing an enemy, realm rank is the result of killing lots of enemies, your rank is how honourable you have been in the past and /stats are how honourable you are right now.
what you call honour is what i call treason, last time i checked RvR was realm versus realm, there is no room for comraderie between realms.
there is no need for unwritten code of (misunderstood) honour.

 

[Gahn]

1. the reward is bigger when the goal remains the same, now how hard can it be to understand?

2. The game reward you for killing an enemy, realm rank is the result of killing lots of enemies, your rank is how honourable you have been in the past and /stats are how honourable you are right now.
what you call honour is what i call treason, last time i checked RvR was realm versus realm, there is no room for comraderie between realms.
there is no need for unwritten code of (misunderstood) honour.

Ye prolly the only way for u to gain rrs is zerging down in superior numbers, fair game but go and dictate ppl how to play in your courtyard tbh.

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Ye prolly the only way for u to gain rrs is zerging down in superior numbers, fair game but go and dictate ppl how to play in your courtyard tbh.

FYI i solo 90% of my online time, you need to try harder to insult me.
just becos i think its a realm war doesent instantly mean that i zerg you know ^^

 

[anioal]

Firstly 1.82 was a boost for Assassins, so many new FoTMS came out and this meant a flood of noobs.... and these they were fodder for the Middle and high RR assassins and to some degree the High RR archers.

So the FoTMs then had to group up to combat the more experienced assassins and archers and to give them more of a chance to survive adders (Caused by more low RR assassins in a small place).

The boosts directly effected the archers as they can only beat assassins if they timer dump, of course if there are more assassins around you can't efficiently timer dump, so archers spend much time getting no RPs. Archers who used to run solo started to form duos (e.g. me).

The FGs situation is also bad they don’t stay in Agramon and they wander around on speed six desperately looking for any rps they can find, they have to kill many many soloers to claim they had a good night! 90% of my deaths are being rolled by a FG who were no where to be seen when I started the fight!



iRvR also knocks out one zone for solors, if no iRvR there are three zones, so more assassins (but less archers) and less zones. The Hunter TL suggested to hunters to park their Hunters at 1.82, he actually did (plays Shaman now).

I've seen many surprising things in the last couple of weeks...
Jarvio (R9) with Sorc bot.
Dafft (R9) with 4 other stealthers
Alb and Hib stealthers using DI bots (not mid though)
FG of Hibs stealthers (all less than R4).
Infils (Rambo R10) running and poping stealths in visual FG.

And then I think what have I done since 1.82... well I grouped with four guild hunters and killed huge numbers, I also now run 90% of the time duo (/wave Eul). To solo means instant death, it’s too hard to find a good fight so it’s group up or play an alt… and I don’t have another alt


I also agree with Shafu about travelling but he also forgot that people don't exp art's in NF anymore, so again no soloers running to exp points.

no wonder soloing is goin down... so basicaly, instead of scrolling up to check where things did go wrong and what caused your /release, you just say "damn xxx is so op'ed" and start a group to zerg him down.

/clap

 

[Vodkafairy]

To solo means instant death, it’s too hard to find a good fight (I'm no FoTM assassin either!).

lols, i thought you wouldnt talk so much shit but i guess you do. fleeing like a dog from my rr3 scout 1v1, whats up with that?

there are plenty good fights to be had, shame you run from the ones you have yourself and destroy the ones for other people 24/7.

 

[Maeloch]

your a caster, soloing on a chanter is like soloing on a sorc or bd.... its not soloing its just adding and killing what comes in sight..... no intresting or close drawn fights..... you either stun and nuke them down in seconds or ml9 pet them.... if that fails moc ftw as usual. If its not on your chanter then i appologise, but you are whats wrong with soloing..... stupid casters roaming when tanks are trying to have some fun intresting fights..... stick to fg fights.... solo scene doesnt involve casters

Lot of caster fights can be just stun, x4 nuke, but I've had quite a few funny fights vs mincers, hunters, etc., lasting long enuff for immunity timers to come up and drop again. Frag fights vs 1 or 2 casters are always a laugh at least, even if settled in like 7s. But yeah, 1v1s often like that, fights vs solo stealth pops are just boring win or lose, real the craic I think with solo caster is trying to take down small grps, and dealing with adds...or trying at least.

In anycase, personally started at it there wasn't much choice, always done it (longer than 90% of stealthers who never shut up about 'soloing'), and couldn't give a fuck if anyone likes it or not - will finish this way now. Think I must've been fun to hunt down for some peeps at least.

Also don't really see why people get so high-and-mighty about 1v1 melee fights. What is there? decent template, ability dumping, proper timing of ability dumping...and alot of lagging about. Great. Then again I don't claim to know owt about it, but how it looks from the outside and never seemed worth the effort getting into it.

And yeah, it got much harder post-cluster. Can't quite put my finger on it; much more RR out, lot of it in duos/trios, high RR bridge campers not noobs...promise of cluster and nice action to suit all tastes spread over many zones never really materialised, just stupid iRvR.

 

[Alyssania]

Well I run solo all the time but I never actually played much solo as you mean it probably. If I meet enemy stealthers these days 99% of the time they are not solo so I have 2 chances really. Go away or pop em and run towards nearest albs/ see em get killed by nearby people. No way I can stand against high rr stealther in melee fight. With new rp changes its really good rp's to wander around other albs especially in irvr situation. For example yesterday was 1st fight see sb and pop it and get ready to fight as he was solo and got rolled by 2fg hibs. 2nd see 1 sb and start shooting just to see the rest 3 starting to close on me so was running time. 1 sec later get rolled by fg of hib casters. 3rd see sb again and start shooting. Hib group runs at me before I get the kill. Sb vanishes and hibs run over me again and rofl etc spam me after that since I actually tryed to hit em back instead of normal sitting since their stunner was afk or something. Not really fun night but got decent rp's popping zerglings for few hours for albs to kill. Option would be for me not to play or run soloing with my visibles which would be total waste of my time.

 

[Gahn]

FYI i solo 90% of my online time, you need to try harder to insult me.
just becos i think its a realm war doesent instantly mean that i zerg you know ^^

Quite strange fucking never heard of u, also your statement contraddicts that u solo, else u would have another idea -.-

 

[Lookdaddy]

Tbh, over the last few weeks i have found plenty of Solo fights, sure you get the occasional RP horney cock who cant resist adding, but hey, thats DAOC. You just need to look around, DC area has been pretty good the last few days.

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Quite strange fucking never heard of u, also your statement contraddicts that u solo, else u would have another idea -.-

just becos you havent heard of me doesent mean i don't solo.
i just go to less crowded areas when i want my add free fights, going after ppl xp-ing in the frontier etc.
i had my prime from release to SI where i took my SB to rr5 unbuffed.
my goal is not to get e-penis and respect by the so called "elite", i play for fun and take daoc for what it is, a wargame.
and i have no problem waiting 15 minutes to get a kill when im in the stalking mood, i curse iRvR and RP farming and miss the old days where ppl actually had to run from A to B and not port to the nearest action.

ps. i've never heard of you either btw

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

i have no problem with doing a stealthzerg or duo or trio or whatnot btw, i just dont usually do it.

 

[Marchus]

Heya,
Where and why are the soloers gone?

my acc run out -/

 

[Xajorkith]

lols, i thought you wouldnt talk so much shit but i guess you do. fleeing like a dog from my rr3 scout 1v1, whats up with that?

there are plenty good fights to be had, shame you run from the ones you have yourself and destroy the ones for other people 24/7.

I have MoS 5 which your R3 doesn't have... I see thing you can't, so don't be quick to judge VF, R3 scouts are my mainstay RPs, I certainly wouldn't flee one without a valid reason.

no wonder soloing is goin down... so basicaly, instead of scrolling up to check where things did go wrong and what caused your /release, you just say "damn xxx is so op'ed" and start a group to zerg him down.

/clap

What people write here are opinions, mostly assassin opinion too?
What happens to me on the battlefield is fact and is utterly unique to my own play style. I adjust my tactics accordingly. 1.82 brought an influx of NS and Infils, this was okay for about 10 minutes as I could kill them but then they started to all duo+ then I just became R8 fodder and giving away 2000 rps is too much... so I adjusted my tactics and group with a SB... there's no dishonour in duo. We even did a 4 v 2 and won

When we were 4 hunters we attacked Visual FG, and were killed eventually by 4 high RR Alb stealths.

 

[Vodkafairy]

I have MoS 5 which your R3 doesn't have... I see thing you can't, so don't be quick to judge VF, R3 scouts are my mainstay RPs, I certainly wouldn't flee one without a valid reason.

good excuse. i have mos3 and know for sure there wasnt anyone near me, infact you chased me after i ran from several mids. then it was just us left in the water and you sprinted to the tower

 

[Congax]

It isn't a matter whether there are still solo'ers, it's just the fact that as soon as solo'ers are visible/near multiple enemies, 90% of those enemies will just go for the realmpoints instead of thinking twice about values such as 'honor' and 'respect'.

My nightshade has run solo till RR6, yet he's very inactive now just because of the fact how hard it is to solo nowadays. My thane runs duo or fg, taking him out solo is suicide :<

 

[Raven]

solo is still viable, idiots will still spoil your fights or zerg you, best thing to do for karma is roll an archer and try to ruin as many of their fights as you can

 

[Vodkafairy]

solo is still viable, idiots will still spoil your fights or zerg you, best thing to do for karma is roll an archer and try to ruin as many of their fights as you can

i was so close the other day! tho i had to burn everything, get proper lucky, while you used nothing

 

[Raven]

was a nice fight cant seem to get s/s down though, still, early days

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

It isn't a matter whether there are still solo'ers, it's just the fact that as soon as solo'ers are visible/near multiple enemies, 90% of those enemies will just go for the realmpoints instead of thinking twice about values such as 'honor' and 'respect'.

blah blah honor and respect... do you really think ppl should memorize the names on foes who solo and allways do and "deserve" 1 on 1 fights?
it's selfish and self absorbed people that expect enemies to back off just becos they want to fight one on one.

you should respect that people play the game differently, and you should honour the realm mates that save you from death.

those are my "rules"... why should i respect your "rules" when you shun mine?

no, honestly i do know the feeling of being 1 vs 2-4 or even 1 vs 8+ and die miserably time after time, but there is nothing i can do about it, i am my killers enemy after all, i can't get myself to blame ppl for killing their enemy anymore.
i used to, but after a long daoc brake i came back knowing how it would be, adds, zergs and lag but my own expectation was different this time around, we all know whats going to happen every time we go to RvR zones, why keep going if it's not what you look for?

 

[Kagato]

well, as a visible soloer you should expect being zerged tbh, it's not honourless to gangbang a soloer, and me being at the recieving end of the gangbang most of the time, i still think that.

Do you see me complaining anywhere? I fully expect to get zerged and accept that, im just stating I will use everything I have to survive if I get zerged.

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

solo is still viable, idiots will still spoil your fights or zerg you, best thing to do for karma is roll an archer and try to ruin as many of their fights as you can

it is you who are the idiot, you can't expect anyone to count you out of the realm war just becos you solo.

Do you see me complaining anywhere? I fully expect to get zerged and accept that, im just stating I will use everything I have to survive if I get zerged.

i didn't accuse you anywhere either, i was actually speaking of soloers in general and not you specifically.. im sorry if it looked that way.

 

[Eeben]

for some reason i find soloing alot better now then when i played mincer.. dc is pretty much always a nice spot for soloing but ofc there is always some ppl who wanna ruin it because they suck so much thats the only way they can get rps ..

 

[pip]

I think the mistake comes when its to late Iv'e done it gone over a bridge 2 jump me I die go back see 2 fighting on bridge don't think to check name and booom let chambers of Then thin fook just killed some1 that honors my fights Think It would be nice if name when you target comes up big on top of screen,would make things better

 

[Puppet]

good excuse. i have mos3 and know for sure there wasnt anyone near me, infact you chased me after i ran from several mids. then it was just us left in the water and you sprinted to the tower

Sounds like Corlyeth yeah. Ran from me aswell back to the Mid-zerg then to immediatly turn around and try (but fail) to pop me again.

I remember that guy now forever, coz a day before I read his 'I didnt loose a single 1vs1'. No shit with an attitude like that, I mean you dont engage 1vs1 how the feck can u loose em that way :O

 

[Mactavish]

I can still be found soloing most days or nights, yeah I get added on most times but the times I can get a wee 1 on 1 action tis great fun.

Thought I was doing well untill I just bumped into Maeloch < nuff said >




Keep up the good work guys

Mac

 

[Raven]

it is you who are the idiot, you can't expect anyone to count you out of the realm war just becos you solo.

i dont expect people to leave my fights alone, but most do these days, for which i thank them. its mostly the oh so cool irc mongs that go out of their way to spoil fights or zerg for which i intend to pay them back ten fold on my ranger. stop being an anal little prick.

 

[Xajorkith]

Sounds like Corlyeth yeah. Ran from me aswell back to the Mid-zerg then to immediatly turn around and try (but fail) to pop me again.

That's because I don't like you. I thought you were a soloer someone who I once repsected and then in those days in Emain you added on so many of my fights it was unreal. You even popped me infront five NS.

I remember that guy now forever, coz a day before I read his 'I didnt loose a single 1vs1'. No shit with an attitude like that, I mean you dont engage 1vs1 how the feck can u loose em that way :O

I have this attitude of not giving rps away, it seems a unique attitude... and perhaps a little weird for this server but it's what I do. I will ALWAYS run it's called kiting and it's what BOW spec archers do, run, turn shoot. If you expect me to stand toe to toe with ya then you really do underestimate me.

Would you engage in a 1 v 1 if I caught you at 2200 range and with my bow and FZ or would you get out of range first? even with arogance you wouldn't take me on. I'm an archer I play by my rules not yours.