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And the white power ranger died in a plane crash on the way home.
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Nope...I did think it was good...all the fights etcOriginally posted by old.Dillinja
I think people are just saying it's good to be different now.
. Only bad part was the ending :/ abit lame
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Lol. Such a n00b. The end part of Reloaded only required an IQ of about... 100 to understand, and a decent knowledge of the english language. I'm assuming you have neither. All it was, was 'The Architect' talking about choice and that Zion (or however it's spelt) had already been destroyed 5 times before etc, using big words in the process. Honestly, I found it quite easy to understand. I can't remember all of what he says, but I'll watch it again tommorow... and give you an easier translation.
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I would like to know what some of you would have done to make this film better, but I wont be reading it till sometime tomorrow after I’ve been 2 see it everyone has such high hopes for films but tbh 99% of you couldn’t do better or even have the vision to put together the amazing fucked up shit they put in some of these non-pr0n movies. To even come up with the matrix idea in the first place is so amazing imho, personally I know I couldn’t think up such a great idea! It even made me question if im actually in a 'matrix' and if I’ll get woken up 1 day ... or even get told ... im the 1! If a ‘matrix 4’ came out, you would probably all still rush to see it!
everyone has such high hopes for films but tbh 99% of you couldn’t do better or even have the vision to put together the amazing fucked up shit they put in some of these non-pr0n movies. To even come up with the matrix idea in the first place is so amazing imho, personally I know I couldn’t think up such a great idea! It even made me question if im actually in a 'matrix' and if I’ll get woken up 1 day ... or even get told ... im the 1! If a ‘matrix 4’ came out, you would probably all still rush to see it!
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Yes the first film was complete and utter genius, hence the HUGE disppointment with 2 and 3, they are just films, not even good ones.
If I were to have taken over after the first film id have done a lot more research and spent a lot longer writing the script. Also Id have made a darker ending, the happy ending idea really doesnt go down well with people anymore. We expected a clever twist that shows that we have imprisoned ourselves in our own mind, and generally criticises the human race.
Instead we got the oracle and the architect (who by the way hadnt appear at all for the rest of the film after he randomly showed up and babbled for a bit in the 2nd film) sitting on a bench talking utter crap.
If I were to have taken over after the first film id have done a lot more research and spent a lot longer writing the script. Also Id have made a darker ending, the happy ending idea really doesnt go down well with people anymore. We expected a clever twist that shows that we have imprisoned ourselves in our own mind, and generally criticises the human race.
Instead we got the oracle and the architect (who by the way hadnt appear at all for the rest of the film after he randomly showed up and babbled for a bit in the 2nd film) sitting on a bench talking utter crap.
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ok forget whateva i said. i just saw it! dear god what was that all about
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old.Dillinja
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The Matrix sucks. End of.
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I just thought I'd prove you completely wrong. So, here's my understanding of what the Architect said. I might also inform you that I'm a lot younger than you all, so really, this should have been quite easy for everyone else to understand. Anyways, the Architect. Well, first he starts off with the whole "I am teh Architect, I created the Matrix", type thing. Then... he goes on about the process (basically, Neo's life starting from the beginning of the first Matrix film) changing Neo's conscieousness (his 'way of thinking', if you like). This, of course, means he is still 'only human'. I'll skip the parts that I think you understand, and get on to the so called 'harder stuff'. I have to quote something he says here... "Your life, is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix". Now, this is where you're sitting there thinking WTF!?!? Really, if I could understand this, you should be able to. All you need is a reasonable knowledge of Math. An equation is a mathematical process in which a '=' is placed in the middle of two algebraic expressions. Each side of the '=' is equal to the other. The Architect is referring to the sum (product) of a remainder (the part left over) of an unbalanced equation. Meaning an equation which does not have equal expressions on each side of the '='. He then says that Neo is the 'eventuality of an anomaly", which means that he is the end product of an irregularity. Then, he says that despite his sincerest (best) efforts he was unable to eliminate (get rid of) this anomaly, from what, otherwise, is a harmony of mathematical precision (he is, of course, referring to the matrix here). He then goes on to say that they would rather not have this problem, but they do, and it was expected, therefore it is not uncontrollable. (to a certain extent) Through this control, Neo has been directed towards the Architect. Neo says that Architect hasn't answered his question. "Quite right, interesting, that was quicker than the others", he replies. When he says 'that was quicker than the others, he is referring to the other "One's", the anomaly's from previous matrix's. He then tells Neo that the matrix is 'older than you know', meaning that it has been active longer than he thinks. Next, he says that this is the 6th version of the Matrix, this number being based upon the showing of significant anomaly's such as Neo. Then, Neo realises that there is only two possible explanations for him not knowing this. That no one told him, or no one knows. He is, of course, relating to the latter. The Architect then says that the anomaly creates 'fluxuations' in even the most simplistic equations. Meaning that it creates irregularities in in the simplest equations (definition of equation is up there somewhere). You will undoubtedly have noticed the TV screens surround Neo and the Architect. These are every single one of Neo's possible choices, as he realises with the line "Choice, the problem is choice". The Architect rambles a bit about the first Matrix, and that it was perfect in every single way, a 'triumph equaled only by it's monumental failure'. I assume you know what that means. Then, the Architect try's to use big words. And fails. He basically says that it was bound to fail, because no human being is perfect, therefore a perfect world would be impossible. So, they designed the new Matrix's based upon mankind's history. But, this version also failed. He then says that only then did he understand why the answer eluded (evaded, escaped) him, and that it was because it required a 'lesser' mind. This reminds me far too much of the 'Petals around the Rose' game, somewhere up in the DAoC general boards. The answer, he says, was stumbled upon by another. This other, is the Oracle. If the Architect is the 'father' of the Matrix, then the Oracle would be it's 'mother'. Then he says that nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program that the Oracle 'stumbled' across, and that they would accept it even if they were given a choice. Even if this choice was only given at an 'unconscious' level. I'm sure you know what unconscious means. Then, he says that this method was flawed (shown by the fact that nearly 99% accepted the program, and not 100%). This is 'the remainder of an unbalanced equation'. This is what created Neo. Then he explains that unchecked, the 1% that didn't accept the program would eventually cause a serious problem. The Architect then explains that Zion is about to be destroyed. Then he says that this will be the sixth time they have destroyed it, leaving us with the question, is the so called 'real world' just another matrix? He then says that the function (job) of the One is to then return to the 'source' (origin), which will basically 'reset' the Matrix. He says that if Neo doesn't do this, then the population of humans that are connected to the matrix will be wiped out, and that this, as well as the destruction of Zion, will mean that the entire human race will be destroyed. Neo then points out that the Architect wouldn't let this happen, as they need human beings to live, for the energy that powers them. He then mentions that 'there are levels of survival we are prepared to accept', suggesting that there are other, less desirable ways of survival. The Architect then asks whether Neo is ready to accept the responsibility (blame) for the death of everyone in the world. Then he talks about the 5 previous anomaly's, and how they were meant to become attached to the whole human race, whereas Neo is much more focused on his attachment, and love, for Trinity. Then he gives Neo the choice. To save Zion, or to save Trinity. For the remainder of his little talk, he expresses the scientific explanation for the emotion, love.
That's all folks. Anything I missed out, do tell. Anything I understood wrongly, do tell. Anyone who didn't understand any of what I just wrote, you are not worthy of the complexities of the Matrix.
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Originally posted by Coim-
I just thought I'd prove you completely wrong. So, here's my understanding of what the Architect said. I might also inform you that I'm a lot younger than you all, so really, this should have been quite easy for everyone else to understand. Anyways, the Architect. Well, first he starts off with the whole "I am teh Architect, I created the Matrix", type thing. Then... he goes on about the process (basically, Neo's life starting from the beginning of the first Matrix film) changing Neo's conscieousness (his 'way of thinking', if you like). This, of course, means he is still 'only human'. I'll skip the parts that I think you understand, and get on to the so called 'harder stuff'. I have to quote something he says here... "Your life, is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix". Now, this is where you're sitting there thinking WTF!?!? Really, if I could understand this, you should be able to. All you need is a reasonable knowledge of Math. An equation is a mathematical process in which a '=' is placed in the middle of two algebraic expressions. Each side of the '=' is equal to the other. The Architect is referring to the sum (product) of a remainder (the part left over) of an unbalanced equation. Meaning an equation which does not have equal expressions on each side of the '='. He then says that Neo is the 'eventuality of an anomaly", which means that he is the end product of an irregularity. Then, he says that despite his sincerest (best) efforts he was unable to eliminate (get rid of) this anomaly, from what, otherwise, is a harmony of mathematical precision (he is, of course, referring to the matrix here). He then goes on to say that they would rather not have this problem, but they do, and it was expected, therefore it is not uncontrollable. (to a certain extent) Through this control, Neo has been directed towards the Architect. Neo says that Architect hasn't answered his question. "Quite right, interesting, that was quicker than the others", he replies. When he says 'that was quicker than the others, he is referring to the other "One's", the anomaly's from previous matrix's. He then tells Neo that the matrix is 'older than you know', meaning that it has been active longer than he thinks. Next, he says that this is the 6th version of the Matrix, this number being based upon the showing of significant anomaly's such as Neo. Then, Neo realises that there is only two possible explanations for him not knowing this. That no one told him, or no one knows. He is, of course, relating to the latter. The Architect then says that the anomaly creates 'fluxuations' in even the most simplistic equations. Meaning that it creates irregularities in in the simplest equations (definition of equation is up there somewhere). You will undoubtedly have noticed the TV screens surround Neo and the Architect. These are every single one of Neo's possible choices, as he realises with the line "Choice, the problem is choice". The Architect rambles a bit about the first Matrix, and that it was perfect in every single way, a 'triumph equaled only by it's monumental failure'. I assume you know what that means. Then, the Architect try's to use big words. And fails. He basically says that it was bound to fail, because no human being is perfect, therefore a perfect world would be impossible. So, they designed the new Matrix's based upon mankind's history. But, this version also failed. He then says that only then did he understand why the answer eluded (evaded, escaped) him, and that it was because it required a 'lesser' mind. This reminds me far too much of the 'Petals around the Rose' game, somewhere up in the DAoC general boards. The answer, he says, was stumbled upon by another. This other, is the Oracle. If the Architect is the 'father' of the Matrix, then the Oracle would be it's 'mother'. Then he says that nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program that the Oracle 'stumbled' across, and that they would accept it even if they were given a choice. Even if this choice was only given at an 'unconscious' level. I'm sure you know what unconscious means. Then, he says that this method was flawed (shown by the fact that nearly 99% accepted the program, and not 100%). This is 'the remainder of an unbalanced equation'. This is what created Neo. Then he explains that unchecked, the 1% that didn't accept the program would eventually cause a serious problem. The Architect then explains that Zion is about to be destroyed. Then he says that this will be the sixth time they have destroyed it, leaving us with the question, is the so called 'real world' just another matrix? He then says that the function (job) of the One is to then return to the 'source' (origin), which will basically 'reset' the Matrix. He says that if Neo doesn't do this, then the population of humans that are connected to the matrix will be wiped out, and that this, as well as the destruction of Zion, will mean that the entire human race will be destroyed. Neo then points out that the Architect wouldn't let this happen, as they need human beings to live, for the energy that powers them. He then mentions that 'there are levels of survival we are prepared to accept', suggesting that there are other, less desirable ways of survival. The Architect then asks whether Neo is ready to accept the responsibility (blame) for the death of everyone in the world. Then he talks about the 5 previous anomaly's, and how they were meant to become attached to the whole human race, whereas Neo is much more focused on his attachment, and love, for Trinity. Then he gives Neo the choice. To save Zion, or to save Trinity. For the remainder of his little talk, he expresses the scientific explanation for the emotion, love.
That's all folks. Anything I missed out, do tell. Anything I understood wrongly, do tell. Anyone who didn't understand any of what I just wrote, you are not worthy of the complexities of the Matrix.
i thought for 2 seconds i might read this then decided it was bs .. plz use paragraphs:x
MATRIX 1 owned
MATRIX 2 Suxed
MATRIX 3 WTF
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Paragraphs suck. Makes it look less than it really is. Also, it had absoloutely nothing to do with the quality of the movies. I do, in a sense, agree with you. Matrix 1 fucking pwned, and still does. Matrix Reloaded was a let down, but still an ok film. I haven't seen Revolutions yet, but it sounds shit.
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I didn't even like the first one, havn't seen the second and third.
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One reason I think I liked the first most, the last worst....
In the first, we went though most of it not really knowing he is even "the one". Like, it was cool when you saw him start fighting Morpheus and getting faster. The feeling was great when Neo stopped the bullets and "killed" Smith, but it happened far too early in the trilogy.
In the second one, we expect him to wtfpwn agents etc, which takes away part of the excitement. Of course then he wtfpwns some sentinels and we are left wondering how he did it.
The third installment comes and we know he is "leet". He is expected to wtfpwn agents, sentinels, just about anything in his path. He gets blinded in the real world but even I couldn't imagine in a million years that he would do anything other than kill Smith (Bane). Kinda sucks in that respect :/
In the first, we went though most of it not really knowing he is even "the one". Like, it was cool when you saw him start fighting Morpheus and getting faster. The feeling was great when Neo stopped the bullets and "killed" Smith, but it happened far too early in the trilogy.
In the second one, we expect him to wtfpwn agents etc, which takes away part of the excitement. Of course then he wtfpwns some sentinels and we are left wondering how he did it.
The third installment comes and we know he is "leet". He is expected to wtfpwn agents, sentinels, just about anything in his path. He gets blinded in the real world but even I couldn't imagine in a million years that he would do anything other than kill Smith (Bane). Kinda sucks in that respect :/
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Third one was rubbish and there are still loads of questions left unanswered - that shouldn't be the case at the end of a trilogy.
- First and most obvious, no-one knows if Neo is dead or alive. You DO NOT end a trilogy like that. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
- The architect says the humans plugged into the matrix will die if neo doesn't return to the source. Why?
- Who the fuck is Merevignon?
And one more from one of the girls I went with (I personally don't think it has but...)
- Has the matrix been reset? Is everything just going to start over again?
Other than that... CRAP fight scenes for the most part, CRAP storyline and CRAP special effects other than the neo-smith fight at the end and of course "that punch". Nothing else throughout the entire film had me or anyone else I went with thinking "woo".
Edit: The only scene with any tension was the conversation between neo and bane which I thought was well acted (hugo weaving = r0x all the way through tho). The battle for the dock was just fucking ridiculous though, these machines are supposed to have uber AI and yet they all get in one big ball and fly around aimlessly for 90% of the time letting the guys in the APU's shoot them to pieces? What-everrr. Trinity took fricken ages to die too, that went on way too long.
It's a great shame. If you watch the animatrix and read the comics on the official website you'll find a dark, brooding world, and an inevitable punishment brought upon mankind by its' own ignorance. If the human race had triumphed at the end of Revolutions it would have been a travesty, but as it stands the ending we got isn't much better. Painted skies and a park bench, what crap.
- First and most obvious, no-one knows if Neo is dead or alive. You DO NOT end a trilogy like that. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
- The architect says the humans plugged into the matrix will die if neo doesn't return to the source. Why?
- Who the fuck is Merevignon?
And one more from one of the girls I went with (I personally don't think it has but...)
- Has the matrix been reset? Is everything just going to start over again?
Other than that... CRAP fight scenes for the most part, CRAP storyline and CRAP special effects other than the neo-smith fight at the end and of course "that punch". Nothing else throughout the entire film had me or anyone else I went with thinking "woo".
Edit: The only scene with any tension was the conversation between neo and bane which I thought was well acted (hugo weaving = r0x all the way through tho). The battle for the dock was just fucking ridiculous though, these machines are supposed to have uber AI and yet they all get in one big ball and fly around aimlessly for 90% of the time letting the guys in the APU's shoot them to pieces? What-everrr. Trinity took fricken ages to die too, that went on way too long.
It's a great shame. If you watch the animatrix and read the comics on the official website you'll find a dark, brooding world, and an inevitable punishment brought upon mankind by its' own ignorance. If the human race had triumphed at the end of Revolutions it would have been a travesty, but as it stands the ending we got isn't much better. Painted skies and a park bench, what crap.
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nah just anyone who wants to leave matrix can now afaik
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Because when Neo returns to the source, the Matrix is reset. It's a program loop. It's designed like this to compensate for the anomaly (the One - Neo). If Neo doesn't return to the source, it causes a system crash. Cutting everyone off from the matrix. Like in the first one, where Cypher pulls the plug on a couple of them, and they drop dead. That's what would happen to all the humans plugged in to the matrix if Neo doesn't return to the source. The Merevignon, now that's a tricky one. The Oracle says he's one of the oldest programs. Of course, he faced deletion, and chose exile, like many other programs. One theory is he could be one of the previous One's, from one of the past matrix's. I'm not sure really.
Edit - The fact that the Merevignon's wife asks for the kiss, and tells them that she wants to remember what love feels like, shows that she could be a previous version of Trinity. Also, she says that the Merevignon used to be like Neo.
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**WARNING DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVENT SEEN FILM**
**SPOILERS!!!**
It's obvious that Neo is dead, the oracle explains that the architect balances equations.... this is why he cannot kill neo, as smith would remain. hence when neo merges with smith, and is connected to the source, the architect is able to delete them both.
But what bugs me more..... it would have made more sense if the matrix was inside ANOTHER matrix. the architect talks about reinstating 14 humans or whatever to restart xion when 'the one' chooses to save the matrix. if the architect knew that people could bring themselves out of the matrix, couldnt the real world, ala xion, have been another method of control.... it also would have explained why neos powers ( after having been to the true source), extend into the 'real' world. this again.. is only 'explained' by the oracle by saying the ones powers extend into the human world.. LOL how?
and in the end .... the matrix still remains and the people that want to come out will ( which makes sense... if you had a pretty sweet woman etc andwere rich i reckon i'd stay in ) which begs the question .... won't only the losers come out of the matrix?... hobos who have a crap style of life.... the real world gonna be full of hobos and criminals and geeks. And if the matrix still exists... another anomaly will appear .. and another smith... but won't that be exciting.... the next neo will come out... go to save every, only to be told to nip down to his old buddy the architect so he can delete them again... in which case if neo was told he hd nothing to save IMO he should go round and tear the place up..
BAH so many plot holes... me and my mate got so worked up bitching about different things we both decided to agree that the matrix 3 was a massive dissapointment (and i was really looking forward to it)
**SPOILERS!!!**
It's obvious that Neo is dead, the oracle explains that the architect balances equations.... this is why he cannot kill neo, as smith would remain. hence when neo merges with smith, and is connected to the source, the architect is able to delete them both.
But what bugs me more..... it would have made more sense if the matrix was inside ANOTHER matrix. the architect talks about reinstating 14 humans or whatever to restart xion when 'the one' chooses to save the matrix. if the architect knew that people could bring themselves out of the matrix, couldnt the real world, ala xion, have been another method of control.... it also would have explained why neos powers ( after having been to the true source), extend into the 'real' world. this again.. is only 'explained' by the oracle by saying the ones powers extend into the human world.. LOL how?
and in the end .... the matrix still remains and the people that want to come out will ( which makes sense... if you had a pretty sweet woman etc andwere rich i reckon i'd stay in ) which begs the question .... won't only the losers come out of the matrix?... hobos who have a crap style of life.... the real world gonna be full of hobos and criminals and geeks. And if the matrix still exists... another anomaly will appear .. and another smith... but won't that be exciting.... the next neo will come out... go to save every, only to be told to nip down to his old buddy the architect so he can delete them again... in which case if neo was told he hd nothing to save IMO he should go round and tear the place up..
BAH so many plot holes... me and my mate got so worked up bitching about different things we both decided to agree that the matrix 3 was a massive dissapointment (and i was really looking forward to it)
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It's like the Architect said at the end of Reloaded; nearly 99% of people who were given the choice would remain in the matrix. The other 1% are the inhabitants of Zion (or Xion, I'm not sure how that's spelt), that were 'unplugged' from the matrix.
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yeh, i understood everything about he film and why it had to happen like that (and it was funny listening to all the people discussing it who were convinced they were right and it was complete bullshit) i just hoped for a different ending .... like neo being a bad ass mother fucker instead of whispering all film.
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I dunno, I haven't seen Revolutions yet. Sounds very mediocre though. Might not see it at all, and if I do, it won't be till it comes out on dvd.
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I quite liked aussie's idea about morpheus being the one to be honest, that would have made for a good ending. When you think about it, it could have been a possibility; the one supposedly being able to control the matrix around him as he sees fit - wouldnt morpheus believe in neo so much that his faith would make it all happen?
...but no, shit ending.
...but no, shit ending.
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morpheus shoulda boned jada pinkett.... remake the matrix with an hour of trinity and her and i'l go and see it.. preferably x-rated.
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DONT READ IF YOU DONT WISH TO KNOW THE ENDING
just curious ... in the 3rd part, didnt neo sacrifice himself as a kind of anti virus on smith and in return the humans of xion are aloud to live and also some set free?
just curious ... in the 3rd part, didnt neo sacrifice himself as a kind of anti virus on smith and in return the humans of xion are aloud to live and also some set free?
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I haven't seen the 3rd one, but looking at that post it looks like it.
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trust me,you dont want to...
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Oh ffs dont overreact.
It's very much worth watching, just don't get hyped up before you do..
It's very much worth watching, just don't get hyped up before you do..
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I've watched the making of it already, seen all the good bits. Neo's fight with Smith, the fight for Xion etc. Probably won't bother even renting it now.
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thats like saying lotr isnt worth watching because you've read the books and watched the trailer ;o
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old.Dillinja
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Not really, because I saw all the best parts of the Matrix, in a book you don't see anything, unless you have an imagination. LOTR trailer didn't show off all the action.
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Thank fuck, in LOTR you didn't get them going through a forest and have a singing twat in green come and rescue them in the film.