Whos gonna win 2006 world cup?

[Aeva]

omg get a clue! Terry and Carraga (sp?) are like the two best defenders atm, also beckham is a pile of wank tbfh, hes lost his touch, Gerrard and Lampard are quality players, and Owen Hargreeves is also quality.

As for upfront i would say Vassel and Rooney, or maybe Defoe.

lmao, that was probably the weakest and most clueless reply i have ever heard regarding football. david beckham is a great player and his international form has been good, and owen hargreeves, lol? i can see he is a good player but no way near good enough to be in the team, and vassel is inconsistent and not in the same league as rooney/own/defoe, imo you dont have a clue at all about the english footy team

 

[Marc]

omg get a clue! Terry and Carraga (sp?) are like the two best defenders atm, also beckham is a pile of wank tbfh, hes lost his touch, Gerrard and Lampard are quality players, and Owen Hargreeves is also quality.

As for upfront i would say Vassel and Rooney, or maybe Defoe.

Caragher is good, not worthy of a starting place. Owen Hargreaves??? Are you taking the piss or what?? As for Defoe and Vassel ROFL ROFL. We arent talking about playing palace, norwich and southampton you know, this is international footy, THE WORLD CUP

 

[Rediknight]

notice no-ones mentioned Peter Crouch - "The man made of Twiglets!"

 

[cHodAX]

notice no-ones mentioned Peter Crouch - "The man made of Twiglets!"

10 minutes to go and 1-0 down I would bring him on as sub and just keep pumping the ball to him, he holds the ball very well and has alot of skill for a big fella, also probably one of the best in Europe in the air. The problem who do you drop from a 22 man squad to pick him? I honestly couldn't pick him before anyone else in the 22 although he is way above Heskey in the pecking order for me.

 

[Vladamir]

Well with a full bar of power I can summon 15+ mach 5 earth pets and thats before raging power, that will wtfpwn those Brazlians!

Omg!.

I can er, summon decoys to fool em!

 

[Wonk]

Vassel and owen up front.

anyway, I think argentina will win. I love it when they're playing offensive

 

[Sardine]

England won't win, rooney will end up nutting some player and get sent off with his temper. stupid chavs x<

 

[old.Attle]

Ohhh...world cup again. I smell relic raid...

 

[Equador]

Ohhh...world cup again. I smell relic raid...

:worthy:

 

[Brite]

neville that overated peice of shit just beacuse he plays for manure, he is piss poor

and carrager deserves to be in the squad, highly underated

 

[Himse]

Caragher is good, not worthy of a starting place. Owen Hargreaves??? Are you taking the piss or what?? As for Defoe and Vassel ROFL ROFL. We arent talking about playing palace, norwich and southampton you know, this is international footy, THE WORLD CUP

maybe watch the football, they have all basically played better than anyone else imo, its like Owen Hargreaves is better than Nicky Butt and imo Paul Scholes.

and Owen has lost his goal scoring ability tbh, Vassel is just as quick and has the ability to score a goal Defoe is just a well skilled player overall.

lmao, that was probably the weakest and most clueless reply i have ever heard regarding football. david beckham is a great player and his international form has been good, and owen hargreeves, lol? i can see he is a good player but no way near good enough to be in the team, and vassel is inconsistent and not in the same league as rooney/own/defoe, imo you dont have a clue at all about the english footy team

Errr not really, have you actually seen owen hargreaves play?

beckham is a pile of wank bigsoz, maybe go watch some football, watch him play then see how bad he has got. Vassel may be inconsistant, but beacause he has never been given a chance.

i think its not me who needs a clue, i think you all need one tbh.

 

[soze]

England trying to fond a left sided midfielder they should maybe try a 5 3 2 with the left back and right back playing a midfield role leaving 3 centre backs to worry about defending. Could also create marking problems for the opponents as the midfield could switch attacking and defending play.

Robinson
Ferdinand Terry Campbell
Johnson Cole
Beckham Gerrard Lampard
Owen Rooney

 

[cHodAX]

England trying to fond a left sided midfielder they should maybe try a 5 3 2 with the left back and right back playing a midfield role leaving 3 centre backs to worry about defending. Could also create marking problems for the opponents as the midfield could switch attacking and defending play.

Robinson
Ferdinand Terry Campbell
Johnson Cole
Beckham Gerrard Lampard
Owen Rooney

Yep, play to your strengths and stick to them. England try a new formation once, play badly and get so scared they jump back to 4-4-2 at once even though it doesn't work for us against the best teams.

 

[Serdan]

Ukraine will pwn them all. Fear Shevchenko's p0w3r!

 

[Tasslehoff]

Yeah, he'll be nice to have for the penalty shootouts.

I think he's good for a lot more than that, he has been playing a team that didn't get to be in Premier League next season, even though he was one of the only ones threatening Henry on the top-scorer spot. That's a talent for scoring in my eyes.

 

[soze]

I think he's good for a lot more than that, he has been playing a team that didn't get to be in Premier League next season, even though he was one of the only ones threatening Henry on the top-scorer spot. That's a talent for scoring in my eyes.

I think his point was that out of his 21? golas over ten were from the spot meaning hes got to be good at it.

 

[cHodAX]

I think he's good for a lot more than that, he has been playing a team that didn't get to be in Premier League next season, even though he was one of the only ones threatening Henry on the top-scorer spot. That's a talent for scoring in my eyes.

Only 10 goals from open play though, hardly lethal in the box. Henry scored 25 and only a handful of those were penalties, Herny is world class and really can't compare them after just one season.

 

[[HB]Jpeg]

ROFLAMO, nice 4 man midfield with 2 right sided players and 2 out'n'out central midfielders. Your team has no balance where it matters most. As for Carragher before Ferdinand or Campbell you must be having a laugh, yes Jamie has had a great Champions League campaign but he does not quite have the quality or concentration levels of those other 2. He is a great backup but I couldn't put him in the top 4 of England central defenders, Campbell/Ferdinand/Terry and Woodgate (when fit) are all more solid and reliable.

and how many left sided midfielders that are world class do england have ? england have played right sided players on left wing a few times iirc.
as for caragher before ferdinand and campbell i stick by that cos i do think caragher is a better defender ,, he has come on loads this season and during the course of next season IMO will no doubt improve even more. i never have rated ferdinand as high as most people do. and i actually think ferdinand is overrated. sol has a strong presence and the experience in defence but personaly (it is a personal opinion) i'd opt for caragher. and i dont think woodgate would make the squad either.. lack of competitive games this season any1? has he actually played in madrids starting line up at all this season ? altho i did forget about SWP so u can replace dyer with him .

i chose beckham for my squad due to his experience and his crossing/free kick ability... yes i know he aint "as good" as he used to be but in huge tournaments like world cup .. exprience >> youth IMO. and becks can still cross/pass a ball as good as he used to and his free kicks are ALWAYS dangerous.

some players have the ability to LIFT the whole team when they play or come on as a sub and a lot of the players in my squad are able to do that (including becks) and owen. and owen imo is still a top class striker.. he hasnt been given much of a chance at madrid .. but when he has came on as a sub he has scored a few and Unless im mistaken was there HIGH SCORER for much of the season ? and thats from being mainly a sub ?

 

[cHodAX]

and how many left sided midfielders that are world class do england have ? england have played right sided players on left wing a few times iirc.
as for caragher before ferdinand and campbell i stick by that cos i do think caragher is a better defender ,, he has come on loads this season and during the course of next season IMO will no doubt improve even more. i never have rated ferdinand as high as most people do. and i actually think ferdinand is overrated. sol has a strong presence and the experience in defence but personaly (it is a personal opinion) i'd opt for caragher. and i dont think woodgate would make the squad either.. lack of competitive games this season any1? has he actually played in madrids starting line up at all this season ? altho i did forget about SWP so u can replace dyer with him .

i chose beckham for my squad due to his experience and his crossing/free kick ability... yes i know he aint "as good" as he used to be but in huge tournaments like world cup .. exprience >> youth IMO. and becks can still cross/pass a ball as good as he used to and his free kicks are ALWAYS dangerous.

some players have the ability to LIFT the whole team when they play or come on as a sub and a lot of the players in my squad are able to do that (including becks) and owen. and owen imo is still a top class striker.. he hasnt been given much of a chance at madrid .. but when he has came on as a sub he has scored a few and Unless im mistaken was there HIGH SCORER for much of the season ? and thats from being mainly a sub ?

First of all this thread is about World Cup 2006, if Woodgate is fit (has been badly injured all season) and getting regular football next season for Real Madrid he will definately be in the squad. As for Caragher, he has had a good season and you are picking him before two guys who have had 5 good years and are proven at international level. You don't rate Rio? How good was that fella for England in Portugal, our best defender by an absolute mile. The we have the midfield, I am not saying we should play someone out of postition on the left because it has NEVER worked for England in a major competition, if you feel otherwise then please give me an example. Beckham, I would also have him in my side, there no better crosser and long range passer of the ball than him in England and the fella always works hard.

Lastly Micheal Owen, personally I think he is a slimy little bastard but there is no doubt he should be in the 22, on current form he doesn't justify an automatic start but he isn't far off, with regular football the guy will always score goals and England don't have another striker who is anywhere near as prolific in top flight football. Defoe? Don't make me laugh, he has had zero exposure European club competitions, he is good enough to be in the 22 but he does not justify a regular start, he needs another couple of years and some Champions League / UEFA cup football before he is anywhere near the finished article. He won't be ready in 2006, with regular football Owen will be.

 

[Rediknight]

I think he's good for a lot more than that, he has been playing a team that didn't get to be in Premier League next season, even though he was one of the only ones threatening Henry on the top-scorer spot. That's a talent for scoring in my eyes.

Philip Jevos - Yeovil - 27 league goals
Dean Windass - Bradford - 27 league goals
Stuart Elliot - Hull - 27 league goals
Pawel Abbott - Huddersfield - 26 league goals

all English, all outscored Terry Henry (yes, his names Terry, as in Minder) and people wave him about like the goal-o-matic. I won't deny he is a shit-hot forward, but it's his vision, pace and off the ball that make most of the difference - he's not the best finisher in the premiership by a long way, but his reputation and application are as good as it gets, imo...

 

[Trallisx]

its like Owen Hargreaves is better than Nicky Butt and imo Paul Scholes.

Best quote I've ever read on FH, made me lol irl.

Saying Owen Hargreaves is better than Paul Scholes is like saying a Ford Escort is better than a Ferrari 360 Modena. They are not in the same class and they will never be.

 

[soze]

Philip Jevos - Yeovil - 27 league goals
Dean Windass - Bradford - 27 league goals
Stuart Elliot - Hull - 27 league goals
Pawel Abbott - Huddersfield - 26 league goals

all English, all outscored Terry Henry (yes, his names Terry, as in Minder) and people wave him about like the goal-o-matic. I won't deny he is a shit-hot forward, but it's his vision, pace and off the ball that make most of the difference - he's not the best finisher in the premiership by a long way, but his reputation and application are as good as it gets, imo...

There is a massive difference between putting 25 past people in the top division and in the lower leagues, which is why there is a goal modifier of x2 for the premier league so henrys goal tally for the season according to uefa is 50.

 

[Rediknight]

There is a massive difference between putting 25 past people in the top division and in the lower leagues, which is why there is a goal modifier of x2 for the premier league so henrys goal tally for the season according to uefa is 50.

I never held faith with that - it's all relative as you go down the league, and stays pretty constant - you're not gonna find a player of Henry's calibre playing in Div 2, otherwise he'd be banging home 50/70 goals a season. All strikers have their equivalent around them and opposing them, so the better the striker, the better the defence and keeper will be that faces him, and vice versa.

Uefa seem to do anything they can to make the best seem better and screw any club that isn't in the top flight...

edit: that said, i hadn't taken into consideration the number of games played in each division too...

 

[cHodAX]

Philip Jevos - Yeovil - 27 league goals
Dean Windass - Bradford - 27 league goals
Stuart Elliot - Hull - 27 league goals
Pawel Abbott - Huddersfield - 26 league goals

all English, all outscored Terry Henry (yes, his names Terry, as in Minder) and people wave him about like the goal-o-matic. I won't deny he is a shit-hot forward, but it's his vision, pace and off the ball that make most of the difference - he's not the best finisher in the premiership by a long way, but his reputation and application are as good as it gets, imo...

ROFL, they all play in second rate leagues against 2nd rate defenders. Please do not try to compare world class players with decent professionals, it is like comparing night and day.

 

[Rediknight]

ROFL, they all play in second rate leagues against 2nd rate defenders. Please do not try to compare world class players with decent professionals, it is like comparing night and day.

If you have second rate strikers, firing at FIRST rate defenders, then they'll get way less goals. First rate strikers against SECOND rate defenders, they'll pour tons in. First rate strikers against first rate defenders is no different to second rate strikers against second rate defenders!!

Jeez, is it that difficult for you guys to grasp that??? Put Henry in Div 2, he'll score a hundred goals - put Abbott into the Prem, he'll score one or two, if he's lucky. It's a relative scale as you move down the league tables and the goals scored reflect that...

 

[Himse]

Best quote I've ever read on FH, made me lol irl.

Saying Owen Hargreaves is better than Paul Scholes is like saying a Ford Escort is better than a Ferrari 360 Modena. They are not in the same class and they will never be.

erm? WATCH HIM PLAY

retard.

get a clue. nuff said.

 

[soze]

If you have second rate strikers, firing at FIRST rate defenders, then they'll get way less goals. First rate strikers against SECOND rate defenders, they'll pour tons in. First rate strikers against first rate defenders is no different to second rate strikers against second rate defenders!!

Jeez, is it that difficult for you guys to grasp that??? Put Henry in Div 2, he'll score a hundred goals - put Abbott into the Prem, he'll score one or two, if he's lucky. It's a relative scale as you move down the league tables and the goals scored reflect that...

I do understand what your point is i'm just not sure why you made it.
If you were trying to say there are better english strikers than Henry then second rate striker in second rate leauges vs second rate defenders was not a good example.

 

[Rediknight]

I do understand what your point is i'm just not sure why you made it.
If you were trying to say there are better english strikers than Henry then second rate striker in second rate leauges vs second rate defenders was not a good example.

nah, i was trying to point out that although he is a most awesome centre forward, his strike rate isn't actually all that amazing, for the amount of praise he gets. His forethought, his movement off the ball, and sheer pace are what put him into the positions to have a crack, but as finishers go, he isn't the most naturally talented shot placer. Rooney, Bergkamp, Defoe and, to a certain degree, Johnson, have a much finer eye for finishing although they all lack in one or more of the areas Henry excels in.

I was basically trying to point out that a high goal tally can be got at any level, and... y'know what, i can't even remember what my point was now...

*wanders off to roll one and get ready for the 1st test tomorrow*

crickets far more civilised

 

[soze]

nah, i was trying to point out that although he is a most awesome centre forward, his strike rate isn't actually all that amazing, for the amount of praise he gets. His forethought, his movement off the ball, and sheer pace are what put him into the positions to have a crack, but as finishers go, he isn't the most naturally talented shot placer. Rooney, Bergkamp, Defoe and, to a certain degree, Johnson, have a much finer eye for finishing although they all lack in one or more of the areas Henry excels in.

I was basically trying to point out that a high goal tally can be got at any level, and... y'know what, i can't even remember what my point was now...

*wanders off to roll one and get ready for the 1st test tomorrow*

crickets far more civilised

lol fair enough and what make Henry special for me is the amout of assists he gets with the amount of goals.

 

[Thadius]

Stuart Elliot - Hull - 27 league goals/

Hes Northern Irish