Whos going to new non-toa servers?

[Saggy]

I'll play on those servers for sure

It won't "bring the magic back" at all if you already think the magic has somehow gone from the game (and if you do, why are you still playing?). Attempts to turn the clocks back to re-create something from a long time before never, ever work. Even if you manage to recreate the conditions, the participants have changed, and can never be the same.

If most of the magic disappered due to ToA surely removing it will help? Or is this some sort of rocket science that I dont understand? :< Besides, Mythic's aim is very simple - buffbot/ToA free server, nothing else.

Come on, we all know what's going to happen here. The "I MUST BE TEH PWNZOR" min-maxers will just /stick their BBs and PL themselves through the levels as fast as they possibly can so they can crush everyone else in the RvR part of the game, just like they did all that time ago. Except now they'll be doing it even faster in Catacombs zones, with Catacombs gear, SC'd to the hilt, and the disparity between them and everyone else will take less time to emerge than it did 2+ years ago.

Well, only if you cared to enter the Frontier you would notice that these "I MUST BE TEH PWNZOR" players are crushing everyone else waaaayyyyyy easier and waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy faster than ever thanks to ToA.

 

[Deepflame]

w/p toa sc u cant go rvr....

Seriously, why do people keep saying that?
Today I took my not-toa'd not-resists capped Infi out for some rvr, he's also Critfil specced and only has 49 composite stealth. I had a lot of fun, sure I died once or twice, but that's part of the game. I gathered about 3k realm points and dinged RR2L1. You don't NEED to be TOAd up to be able to kill stuff. Honest. People who keep thinking that are just living in some kind of nightmare world. Sure, you wont be at l33t as the kid around the block, but hey, you can't beat min/maxers without being one yourself anyway. You will get the same situation with the new server, except now people will be camping Catacombs zones to hell and back for Demon Bone Rings, etc.

Also, MLs don't have to take another 3 months after dinging 50. My infi dinged 50 just before I went and did ML7 groupsteps. I have credit up to ML5.

The only thing that really wastes time in ToA is the scroll farming. Especially if you're poor.

 

[Saggy]

Seriously, why do people keep saying that?
Today I took my not-toa'd not-resists capped Infi out for some rvr, he's also Critfil specced and only has 49 composite stealth. I had a lot of fun, sure I died once or twice, but that's part of the game. I gathered about 3k realm points and dinged RR2L1. You don't NEED to be TOAd up to be able to kill stuff. Honest. People who keep thinking that are just living in some kind of nightmare world. Sure, you wont be at l33t as the kid around the block, but hey, you can't beat min/maxers without being one yourself anyway. You will get the same situation with the new server, except now people will be camping Catacombs zones to hell and back for Demon Bone Rings, etc.

There is difference between soloing and grouping - when solo I really dont care how crap equipment or what level I'm but I really, really hate to RvR if I feel that I'm a burden for the group. Yes, fully ToAed character is worth more than two non-ToAed characters, that's how huge impact ToA has in RvR. Oh, we dont know much about these servers ruleset so Catacombs items might get nerfed.

Also, MLs don't have to take another 3 months after dinging 50. My infi dinged 50 just before I went and did ML7 groupsteps. I have credit up to ML5.

I'm a casual player and haven't reached higher than ML8.

The only thing that really wastes time in ToA is the scroll farming. Especially if you're poor.

Those who are rich IRL dont have to worry about this which sucks too :/

 

[Flimgoblin]

how long did it take the first 50s to appear on camlann?

and how much faster will catacombs quests make it?

 

[UndyingAngel]

I can see the attraction of no /level, as it would put everyone on an even keel to start with - no money to transfer, no items to swap, no powerlevelling - back to the day when i first rolled my merc.

Groups would be essential, Salisbury Plains will be crowded again and we can all look forward to Dunter hunting and camping the Pygmy-gobbos or Trees in Lyonesse...

It'd maybe bring SOME of the magic back, but more than anything i would expect it to be a social rebirth for the whole community - some will go in groups, some will go alone and make new friends, but it's gonna be interesting...

Any guesses on how long it would take to have a Euro one up n running? Not a date, i meant how long in time from conception, ordering hardware, recoding, etc...

Dont forget the New Epics come in next patch for the US (1.77) which will be great

 

[Saggy]

how long did it take the first 50s to appear on camlann?

and how much faster will catacombs quests make it?

Which one is your point - hardcore players will have edge on that new server or that leveling is too easy thanks to Cata?

 

[Mikah75]

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not a chance, i would love too, but all the time ive spent toa'ing my chars. and especially no more FoP! as its so new

 

[Mobius]

To be honest I don't see the problem with the new server. I'm sure there will be problems early on, but things will get fixed just like how they slowly get fixed on normal servers. I don't see it "recapturing" the magic of pre toa daoc, because once you've done it before, it isn't ever as fun the first time around. I'm just looking forward to it because it'll mean you're able to have level 50 alts and still compete. It was alot more fun back in the day when you could hop from 1 character to another and have some fun, instead of having to gain rr10 and leveling artifacts on every character. I'll have a Warrior as a main, and then a Hunter, BD, etc for my alts for some solo play etc.

 

[Jimmyjr]

will be rolling mid with a few friends

 

[Jaem-]

Also, MLs don't have to take another 3 months after dinging 50. My infi dinged 50 just before I went and did ML7 groupsteps. I have credit up to ML5.

On Alb / Excal we recently had a ML raid(thanks to Tilda) that did 1-2-3-4-6-8 all in 1 day, its not always the case for waiting so long to gain ML's.

There are simular raids coming up doing 3 ML's in 1 day, if people want it they should go organise it instead of waiting for someone else.

Only thing I see in ToA that was slow is getting scrolls... gather up some friends and go have a scroll farm event, problem solved by fun means, same can be said about leveling artifacts.

 

[Gribz0r]

On alb every man and his dog will level a necro first and they'll all be camping the same spots too

 

[Deepflame]

I'm a casual player and haven't reached higher than ML8.

Those who are rich IRL dont have to worry about this which sucks too :/

My highest is ML9, and I took my sweet sweet time to get him there. It's my main and oldest toon, and I spend over 2 years with him. I did not insta-ding ML9 in 2 weeks play time either. Getting there took me about half a year to a year. And I enjoyed pretty much all of that time. I don't quite see how being a casual player matters here.. I didn't attend every raid I needed that was on.. Only did them if and when I had time.

I don't quite see how IRL money matters in scrolls, unless people actually sell scrolls on Ebay. I was talking about poor as in, not hundreds of plats.

 

[Lestat]

Of to us asap imo.
Celt bard + vamp(wenn I can't find groups for bard..

Then wenn DnL goes retail, ill share time between both games, as I dont have to buy a buffbotaccount with the new daoc server!

 

[Phuzzy]

"Also, MLs don't have to take another 3 months after dinging 50. My infi dinged 50 just before I went and did ML7 groupsteps. I have credit up to ML5."

I've been L50 for a couple of months now.
I started looking for ML groups when I hit L40.
I am a member of a very small guild in a very small alliance.
Currently I only have the ML1 solo step.
There never seem to be ML1 group steps being done, or ML1 BG steps either, at least not at times when I can attend, which has been almost all day every day for the last couple of months due to a recent accident. I see tons of higher-ML raids but none of the lower stuff.


"if people want it they should go organise it instead of waiting for someone else."

Thanks for the undoubtedly well-meant advice but I'd rather just go & play on the no-ToA server TYVM


<=== future Mid(s)

 

[Ezteq]

tbh seriously considering ressurecting the Ez's and playing if you can get it on euro server and if can tranfer chars been hoping for this for yonks

 

[Elitestoner]

well everyone going on about 'omg uber items mobs will be dropped 24/7!!11/11' actually darkspire is an instance, therefore anyone, at anytime can go and farm it. 100 people could be farming 100 darkspires at once (or 100 groups whatever, assuming the server can take that many ) so therefore the items will be farmed to fuck, loads will appear on cms, and by farming df u will be able to buy em for a fairly good price, as long as the mobs that drop the good items arent dragon level hard ( dont know a lot about darkspire)

i predict there will be 50's on the server within 48 hours of it opening. also i am rolling mid will be on there within an hour of it opening..

also people thinking they can transfer chars.. lol. i seriously doubt u will ever be able to do that during the servers life. and personally i think that would ruin it, leveling to 50 old school with so many others would be quite fun

 

[Arkian]

Think you missed the point that some of the best drops in catacombs are in the non instanced parts - e.g. Grokdal in Otherworld for the demon blood ring.

 

[Darksword]

i was actually very excited by this and would love to play there etc, but unfortunatly, ive totally given up on mythic not gunna waste time on it coz i know they will fuck eithar that server up or normal ones or all after a few months

 

[Elitestoner]

Think you missed the point that some of the best drops in catacombs are in the non instanced parts - e.g. Grokdal in Otherworld for the demon blood ring.

really? hmms thatll be a bitch then.. but isnt demon blood ring the one with just resists on ? cba to check but remember resists werent that hard to cap pre-toa as there wont be artis etc

 

[Flimgoblin]

why does everyone think they'll be allowed to copy their chars over?

NO CHAR COPIES

one - they'd have to write a ML/artifact removing charcopy and two it'd hardly be a new start server.

 

[Flimgoblin]

"Also, MLs don't have to take another 3 months after dinging 50. My infi dinged 50 just before I went and did ML7 groupsteps. I have credit up to ML5."

I've been L50 for a couple of months now.
I started looking for ML groups when I hit L40.
I am a member of a very small guild in a very small alliance.
Currently I only have the ML1 solo step.
There never seem to be ML1 group steps being done, or ML1 BG steps either, at least not at times when I can attend, which has been almost all day every day for the last couple of months due to a recent accident. I see tons of higher-ML raids but none of the lower stuff.


"if people want it they should go organise it instead of waiting for someone else."

Thanks for the undoubtedly well-meant advice but I'd rather just go & play on the no-ToA server TYVM


<=== future Mid(s)

post a FH thread saying "doing ml1 group steps anyone interested? hopefully one person who knows how to do them since I can't be arsed reading the website".

Casual playtimes/outlook doesn't stop you from getting MLs. If you can only play in 30 minute stretches then fair enough but you'll have other problems in that case.

 

[chretien]

I play on US servers as well as Euro ones and I am not even considerig trying the new server. I have no problems at all with doing/not doing MLs, artifacts etc. I really, really hope that this server doesn't harm normal servers by giving Mythic an excuse not to keep fixing ToA.

 

[Syri]

I'll be on the new server, already got my usa account reactivated. will most likely play alb on 1, hib on the other, as i believe there are 2 with the new rule set.
Certainly sounds like being more my sort of server, never was keen on buffbots, and toa is just soooooo dull. though it'd have been nice to still have it there as a levelling area, just without the artis and ml encounters. though i guess there's no real shortage of exp spots in just classic and si when you think back to when they were the only ones...

 

[Flimgoblin]

I like the buffbot change and would be glad to see it on normal servers (but with some other modifications for e.g. self buffers or the like) but it's probably too big a thing just to drop on a normal server - a lot of people like their bots...

however I'd never join a no ToA server.

 

[Syri]

i was never really keen on toa. it just turned the game into, well, EQ. "lets all camp the epic mobs to get a 1% chance at this uber item!"
it's obvious that those with more time will fare better. and the benefits from these actions give a very big edge in rvr also. so it just shoves the casual player further and further down the leaderboard.
Some of the ideas were nice, but it needed less 'uber' drops, more chance of getting something semi-decent, and more ways of achieving something. and quicker. Some of the master levels make the old sidi raids, when it took almost all afternoon, seem quick... i'm all for pve, but when you've got to spend an hour smacking the same mob, it gets a bit silly. especially when it needs to be repeated again and again, and you really can't get anywhere without having done that. not even like a dragon raid, where the result was just things that were nice to have, but not esential.

 

[Flimgoblin]

i was never really keen on toa. it just turned the game into, well, EQ. "lets all camp the epic mobs to get a 1% chance at this uber item!"
it's obvious that those with more time will fare better. and the benefits from these actions give a very big edge in rvr also. so it just shoves the casual player further and further down the leaderboard.
Some of the ideas were nice, but it needed less 'uber' drops, more chance of getting something semi-decent, and more ways of achieving something. and quicker. Some of the master levels make the old sidi raids, when it took almost all afternoon, seem quick... i'm all for pve, but when you've got to spend an hour smacking the same mob, it gets a bit silly. especially when it needs to be repeated again and again, and you really can't get anywhere without having done that. not even like a dragon raid, where the result was just things that were nice to have, but not esential.

that's toa on release, it's very very different now.

Not sure what eggy's records are but something like 90 minutes per entire ML raid...

sidi raids used to take 6-10 hours for a small chance at a slightly-better-thanspellcrafted item, now you can spend 1.5 hours for a funky new spell.

I do agree the arti camping is annoying but it's nothing like it was at release - if they could use instances for the artifacts it'd make things much nicer

It's that whole "essential" business that makes it unfun - moment people see MLs and Artifacts as something they MUST HAVE NOW NOW NOW rather than either something fun to do or a goal for their character to achieve the fun is gone.

 

[gervaise]

As Filmgoblin and others said: NO CHAR COPIES.

As to a new server type in Europe I can't see GoA bothering. Suspect the view they have is that only a minority will leave. Once those players have gone of course the strongest demand for such a server will have gone as well. Chicken and egg in reverse really. GoA would have to say NOW: don't go we are going to introduce a no ToA / ranged buffs server.

Also agree that the best moments on the new server will be at the start. Chance to join a guild etc. as US players will be coming from multiple servers + those that return.

Impact on European servers <shrug> I strongly hope that those who are going decide on which server. Splitting the Europeans across 6 realms would be bad due to the time difference ....

Haven't decided yet whether to sign up

 

[gervaise]

As Filmgoblin and others said: NO CHAR COPIES.

As to a new server type in Europe I can't see GoA bothering. Suspect the view they have is that only a minority will leave. Once those players have gone of course the strongest demand for such a server will have gone as well. Chicken and egg in reverse really. GoA would have to say NOW: don't go we are going to introduce a no ToA / ranged buffs server.

Also agree that the best moments on the new server will be at the start. Chance to join a guild etc. as US players will be coming from multiple servers + those that return.

Impact on European servers <shrug> I strongly hope that those who are going decide on which server. Splitting the Europeans across 6 realms would be bad due to the time difference ....

Haven't decided yet whether to sign up

 

[Zedenz]

The guy who was talking about the magic in the game summed it up best tbh, it's nostalgia talking...stupid server idea imo

 

[Awarkle]

there are ways of going from 1 to 50 in around 2 or 3 days xest used to run zerg type things (never could be bothered) think it works out 4fgs with pbaoe bombers per group chain killing high purps for massive capped exp.

This new server will have its first 50's in a weekend they will be equiped (if only in epic) in about another day or so. i would have to say 2 weeks even with money from your entire guild for lgm sc/wc/ac/fletch/tailor.

After that those power gamers will have the edge because they will begin to climb up the rp ladder faster than mr casual woot ive got lvl 5 in a week play yay.

Ok there wont be buffbots or fop etc. It will just mean most groups will run with 1 druid 1 bard 1 ward, 1 shaman 2 healers (or three depending) 2 cleric 1 friar etc etc.

Honestly if your not in the in crowd or prepared to stick in an entire weekend then the server will have the 50's before you even hit lvl 20. i would probbly roll my animist up again without fop he wont be as overpowered but still i like the class, and i know all the best camp spots and how to level them.