Who would you follow to defend our realm ?

[salazzarson]

I heard alot of people moaning about lack of leadership with in albion, and that is why Mids got all the relics. Lets be brutally honest, the Mids organised an excellent raid that caught us with our trousers down. I honestly believe we could have done nothing once they had gone neutral. Our only chance was to spot them before they got to Excal, that did not happen so we were on a losing wicket.

Anyhow going back to thread, Albion who would you nominate as the 3 best Field commanders in our realm. Maybe we can nominate them and all give our support to these people once action is required.

So come up with 3 people you would follow to hell and back and whose tactical and field command you respect.

Probally get flamed here or people will say it cant be done but inless we try we will never know.

 

[mincepie]

Liste (would say that whether he was my GM or not)

 

[Scunner]

i think leaders are important but i think ud need to involve all alliances for it to work small and large. Just needs a multi alliance comand chain so u know who to contact in each alliance.


In terms of who i think is capable of leading so many people and who has done in the past or could in the future then my 3 choices would be

Yourself,
Ilum
Listes.

However whilst some are great at big raid defence/offence its easy to overlook those that organise the relic raids general keep takes etc and i just dont mean HW.

So i simply dont see 3 leaders working on its own. Other capable leaders in my experience have been Lochlyessa, Steveh and Xeanor.

I think a multi alliance command chain is a better idea as even if u find 3 people they not always going to be around and/or interested. I think we do need designated leaders with the experience and respect of the realm though.

 

[oldnick]

too many cooks spoil the broth and atm i believe everyone in alb thinks they are Jamie Oliver.

Picking a leader is important.

More important is to get EVERYONE to do what that leader says.

Nick

 

[[Oo]Escape]

tbh I don't have any personal favourites. I believe whoever is the first to setup a cg and get things moving should stay in command until they nominate someone else. Nothing annoys me more than the "lololol i no wat 2 do" noobie who gatecrashes a CG and starts shouting out commands.

How many retakes have failed because raid leader is saying "Don't charge when gates go down"... but soon as second gate drops, someone shouts "CHARGEEEEEE FOR GLORYYYYY!!!1" and runs in with 3, then 6, then 12 lemmings running behind him and everyone dies


I'll stay in a raid so long as there's one leader and people are paying attention. Soon as leadership becomes hazy, or people start doing their own thing... I'll leave.


+ To give him credit, Liste is always on the ball when he's in command. Not many squeeze information from all corners of the realm and plan in advance the way he does.

 

[mincepie]

Originally posted by [Oo]Escape


How many retakes have failed because raid leader is saying "Don't charge when gates go down"... but soon as second gate drops, someone shouts "CHARGEEEEEE FOR GLORYYYYY!!!1" and runs in with 3, then 6, then 12 lemmings running behind him and everyone dies

Sorry but the image the conjured up brought a smile to my face. It quickly disappeared when i released it was _exactly_ what happens.

 

[salazzarson]

dont get me wrong i agree we need a tier of of alliance leadership, this was just a thread to maybe start getting the ball rolling. I know there are many good leaders out there, but it would be good if we could start a structured leadership through the varying alliances, so that is why i thought of 3 people to start off with, so they could start organising it. Maybe i am being unrealistic, but it was only an idea.

 

[Scunner]

well we need some base of command structure uve taken the first step to achieving this i think all the alliances should maybe sit down or at least the officers anyway and hammer more of this out as well as this elected leaders. We will need this for when we retake and have to redefend the relics.

 

[errik]

I grouped with Liste when he was levelling Listes and he was the best group leader I have played with.

I was thinking of people whom I would quite happily follow because I believe they know what they are doing and I trust their judgement and I manged to fill 2fgs.

The problem to my mind isn't that Albion lacks great leaders, the problem is that we lack great followers or as Liste said in another thread, that people don't give leaders the chance to lead.

 

[Addlcove]

Laird
Salazzar
Liste(s)

other persons I´d follow into battle in a split second would be

Shaeffer
Ziera
Graham
Faderullan
Rachey/Colby

could probably think of mroe but these are off the top of my head

 

[old.windforce]

Liste smells funny

 

[old.Bubble]

Alb prydwen doesn't seem to have anyone i'd class like that

through the problem isn't the leadership its the people

 

[old.GeForce]

follow the shouts of LOL! imo

or the pinkfiltrator I guess

 

[Flesh]

I follow my nose, it always leads me somewhere good.

 

[liste]

if i arrived late, i'd follow whoever was in command, as that person was obviously voted to do so, or took the initiative to get whatever it is we're doing, going.

If i arrived at the beginning, i'd follow whoever was voted by the majority.

If i was voted leader, and i fealt that someone else would be more able, i'd elect him (have done so on occations). Same thing, if i am leading something unsuccessfully, i will pass on the job to someone else, who might just be able to twist the situation around and make a possitive result.

i could name 10-15-20-30 people i'd vote for myself, but i dont see the point doing so. I'd follow a newbie, if he made sense, and made people respond to orders

in a nut shell, leadership is important, and having the right person do it, is important. But quick decisions and fast responses is and always will be the main thing, in a multiplayer game

 

[Shike]

but but but.. Liste is a fish fgs

j/k, Liste is great tbh, muchos knowledge and care for things. He's always been there since the day we founded Utopia and still is.

Hope you get your act together Albs, it dont look too good atm, Hib is a mess, but Alb is even worse as it seems. :<

 

[Gizmoduck]

Flesh for leader.

Well serious, none of those we have can get the crowd to do what they have to, at least with Flesh we get free PIE

Donno if its the leaders thats something wrong with or its the people in albion, but we need to learn how to follow orders.

Just me 2c

 

[umilard]

Anyone who would take time to organize it, don't have to be some big known name imo..


ps. Gifv Pyrotechnix back, insane amounts of patience, good knowledge and liked by everyone afaik

 

[Esoteric]

Originally posted by old.Bubble
through the problem isn't the leadership its the people

Yep

Fader
Hrodel
Liste

This is however pointless as not everyone will listen to one leader which throws a spanner in the works.

I would not follow laird not the lads fault hes just jinxed.

For rvr/relic raids you need to look at the people who organise and run rvr regularly who can also lead, thats fader atm, I'd prolly follow the dude to hell and back cause I know he'd prolly get me out alive..

 

[liste]

Donno if its the leaders thats something wrong with or its the people in albion, but we need to learn how to follow orders.

Essential. It doesnt really matter who the problem is revolving around. All that matters, is that everyone agrees to let the old discussion of 'who did it!' rest, and start from scratch. Start trusting eachother to do our best with whatever task we're appointed, be it the dull scouting at 37th tree in Snowdonia, or the RP rewarding Camping and roaming

 

[cHodAX]

I would follow me but others wouldn't and yes I am serious. People don't like the way I give orders because I am a cranky old bastard when I don't get my own way. The realm needs someone who is approachable and yet firm with people when they need a task completing, the problem with that is too many Albs don't have respect for anyone outside their own guild or group of friends. Anyway regardless of all that, whoever does take leadership of our forthcoming efforts needs 3-4 people with good attitudes and new ideas. One person can't take on the task all alone, when they try to it fails miserably.

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Esoteric
Yep

Fader
Hrodel
Liste

This is however pointless as not everyone will listen to one leader which throws a spanner in the works.

I would not follow laird not the lads fault hes just jinxed.

For rvr/relic raids you need to look at the people who organise and run rvr regularly who can also lead, thats fader atm, I'd prolly follow the dude to hell and back cause I know he'd prolly get me out alive..

What has a relic raid got to do with running 1fg regular in RvR? Nothing at all. Running 20fg is a damn hard task and the problems are nothing like those faced in general RvR. Relics raids need strong but approachable leadership followed by one of two things. Either new ideas on how to achieve your goal or a force of enough people to overwhelm the opposition. Fader is an awesome group leader, that doesn't mean he would make a great relic raid leader OR would even want to.

Personally I would be happy to see him have a go, the sad part and we all know it is that there are so many lame PE haters that wouldn't be dedicated to the cause or follow his commands. Pathetic I agree and that has been Alb/Pryd's problem since day one. First people hated SotL, then they hated LoE and now PE are the guild that jealous Albs love to hate. Albion might have an alliance called Unity but the one thing it has never really had is actual unity. It is going to be a hell of a job to get the relics and hold onto them properly until we get some unity that is for damn sure.

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by umilard
Anyone who would take time to organize it, don't have to be some big known name imo..


ps. Gifv Pyrotechnix back, insane amounts of patience, good knowledge and liked by everyone afaik

Couldn't agree more and yes, Pyro was a diamond. 10 more like him and Albion would be in much better shape.

 

[Garaen]

Originally posted by old.cHodAX
Albion might have an alliance called Unity but the one thing it has never really had is actual unity.

Well said.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Laird
Liste
Pyrotechnix

- as others mentioned, these are just gems :>

Faderullan
Gohrim

- both of these two have principles and they stick to them.

 

[Coren]

I'd follow Derric anywhere!

Anyway, common knowledge > leadership.

 

[Derric]

Heh Coren,you follow anyone you can /stick and go afk to.

 

[Sagba]

Originally posted by Coren
Anyway, common knowledge > leadership.

 

[liste]

Heh Coren,you follow anyone you can /stick and go afk to.

wont follow you then derric. what with all your haxxor strafe lagging and stuff!

 

[Artemls]

Originally posted by Coren
I'd follow Derric anywhere!

Anyway, common knowledge > leadership.

Then you sure will get lost, not sure Derric ever have run direct to one spot with out getting abit lost