Whining... why?

[Dukat]

Ok, so just recently everyone seems to be whining, albs, mids and hibs. I just wanted to know why?

As a scout I know im going to get some predictable person saying 'omg your a scout, ovaapaawaad' etc etc, but for one moment look at the game objectivley.

Every realm has its 'overpowered' class that is widely recognised by everyone to be above average. The Sorcerer, Spiritmaster and Chanter are these.

Everyone has thier own opinions but the truth is you still need to have some skill to play them well. Otherwise how is it that you can almost always tell who Starquake, Stajjijon or Kesa are on the battlefield just by looking at them?

I dislike the attitude that "Albs always zerg" and "Mids always alarmclock raid", as these stereotypes do not hold as true in NF. I have seen hib and mid zergs just as often as alb zergs, yes alb may zerg a little more than the other realms, but we do have more people, sometimes it really isnt anyones fault or plan to zerg, it just happens. I suspect the same holds true in the other realms at times.

I know that alot of this whining and stuff is good-natured competitiveness, but sometimes this goes a little over the top, never more so that recently in my opinion.

a good examples are this:
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=44774
and this:
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=44776

Yes there are some minor imbalances, but nothing to warrant alot of this stuff people post on here, aside from the relic status the realm war isnt being 'dominated' by any one realm, infact I think that us albs have been on the defencive alot this last week.

All im saying is, before you whine, remember that most everyone has gone through the same thing your going though. I've been killed by both mid and hib stealth zergs while soloing, but then I've also joined stealth zergs to kill other mids and hibs in similar circumstances. No one is completely above guilt when it comes to the stuff people are whining about.

All's fair in love and war, but at times it helps to remember this is a game.

Ok rant over, cya all on the field.

 

[Milky]

It's a nice try for sure, but I'm afraid your post won't change a thing



I wish it Christmas for about ... 12 months, so everyone tries to be a little more friendly atleast

 

[Helme]

People whine becouse they think its unfair that some persons can do something against them and they cannot have a single chance to counter it. (Starquakes ML9 pet hitting for 700 on casters for example)

+the added factor that whine is fun is always nice xDD

 

[Gasoline]

for one moment look at the game objectivley.

Every realm has its 'overpowered' class that is widely recognised by everyone to be above average. The Sorcerer (etc, etc)

Just looking at the game objectively for a moment...You forgot to add all the Alb rogue classes...

But otherwise, nice summing-up of everything

 

[fotm]

If there is something i dont like i complain, simple as that, shouldnt need an explanation (sp?)

 

[starquake]

(Otherwise how is it that you can almost always tell who Starquake, Stajjijon or Kesa are on the battlefield just by looking at them?)

......maybe i need to get a new cloak

 

[Dukat]

You forgot to add all the Alb rogue classes...

Also 'forgot' BD's, but I didnt want to open that whole can of worms in here.

 

[Ging]

once u find out the psychology of "why" someone rolls a particular class then u will be able to answer some of those questions

peeps play this sort of game for all sorts of reasons

alot fo the whines on here are from 1 off incidents where they feel theat they came out of a particur fight badly - or they thought someone was cheating. U can look back in the history of FH (and in the old days BW) and you will see all the whine threads are similar in construct.

Initiall somone will roll a thread saying such and such is OP, or such and such did this or such and such did that. Some of it is due to inexperience with the other side classes but most of it is to do with a a players persona - what do they want to get out of this game.

I play an inf - it is considered to be an OP class. TBH i agree when i play it correctly it is, but i could give you a 2 hour video of my bloopers and fookups. Only yesterday did i fight jox and forget to change QB from crit line to melee - i felt a complete arse and was tempted to come flame him for running in a zerg - but when it came down to it i played badly, yes i would have died anyway from his friends.

Alot of the anger i see here is initally bought on by denial. U play badly and loose - its the other sides leet toons with max utility and there was nothign u could have done as they all play fotm OP alts. This self anger is generally directed ******ds and in some cases on these boards.

Further more its is the general dismissive and rude comments people write which escalates the anger and annoyance. Some peeps can brush comments written here away and some take it to heart. Unfortuantly the mods can only do so much in policing these boards.

Still i find alot written here v amusing, i personally kind of shy away from writing anything and let the threads go without my egotistical input.

Btw as u read these threads u will see alot of the posters are the same peeps - again and again and again.

One of the funniest things that makes ma laugh is the statistical analysis that goes on, it appears to matter alot of peeps that they prove themselves beyond all doubt that they are right.

my only adive is jsut to believe in yourself and have fun

Happy new year to you all.

 

[Jaapi]

People take gaming too seriously, not as entertainment.

 

[StonyPony]

(Otherwise how is it that you can almost always tell who Starquake, Stajjijon or Kesa are on the battlefield just by looking at them?)

Kesa is enjoying a 14 day ski-holiday. you won't see him on the battlefield yet.

 

[Theseus]

I agree on the whining but the 2 threads posted above are not whinethreads imo.
Well ... maybe a little bit. But i think that (at least the scouts one) was just a good conversation between all sides off the fight showing different points of view... Ofcourse you always have some ppl who post 1liners because they think they are funny. This gives the thread a sour taste. But we can't do anyhing about that can we ?

Just try to read through all the 1liners and you get some contructive info out off it.
I for 1 realised i had some flaws in my statement on the scoutthread wich made me realise that im playin only half as good as i used to when i was lower rr and didnt have all the toafluff (mainly ML's) just because i can kill easier now. So i'll have to stop slacking and try to pay more attention to what my oppenent is doin...

 

[Dukat]

Dont get me wrong people, I'm all for free speech, I dont think that whines shouldnt be allowed or anything, I just wonder why some people call for a class to be 'nerfed' because they lost to it.

I've died many times playing this game, sometimes I do everything right and yet I still die, this can be for any number of reasons, lag, bad-luck, adding etc. but I dont come here asking for the class/realm that commited the heinous act to be nerfed.

I've been killed by BD's and Chanters, SM's and Animists even when I made no mistakes, but I dont whine, I just remember back to times that I've won, even tho the person I was fighting didnt do anything wrong, but still lost. At the very worst I take a break, play a different game, go watch TV or somthing else, theres really no need to start a big arguement over the fact that you died in DAoC for whatever reason, in my opinion.

 

[Trylle^nzi]

People take gaming too seriously, not as entertainment.

It's hard to take a, if I may quote, "minor imbalanced" game as entertainment.

 

[fotm]

Dont get me wrong people, I'm all for free speech, I dont think that whines shouldnt be allowed or anything, I just wonder why some people call for a class to be 'nerfed' because they lost to it.

There is a BIG difference in just plain loosing to someone due to being less "skilled" or lower RR or whatever and being overpowered.

I bet you wouldnt accept loosing fotball match due to all players in the other team taking stereoids, why accept it here?

 

[starquake]

There is a BIG difference in just plain loosing to someone due to being less "skilled" or lower RR or whatever and being overpowered.

I bet you wouldnt accept loosing fotball match due to all players in the other team taking stereoids, why accept it here?

By that logic all competitive passtimes should be conducted between replica entities to avoid any dissimilar or advantageous abilities or experiences from being used. All footballers must wear the same boots and have the same size feet etc.

 

[Ging]

its swings and roundabouts, the grass is always greener on the other side.

Some say there is a minor imbalance one way some say another - its personal perception - mostly "your" perception is not the same as anothers - it is what makes these games facinating - imagine if we all thought the same things - this game would be as boring as shit.

Currently the game favours casters - so popular opinion states. People whine there is "nothing" for certain classes to do.

No one is stopping anyone from organising thier own group. Tank based gorup roaming would still be effective, unfortuantly peeps only see this game as siege warfare - imo that is totally incorrect. Players have to get to keeps ebfore they can engage in any sort of warfare.

I was chatting to Kagato a few days ago - he still solos his arms. He enjoys it he "differs" from the norm in that he pisses off to weird and stange places where there arn't any keeps and play his own game.

Yes this is generically termed a group based game, there is nothing stopping peeps from changing their playstyle other than themselves. Fair enough support classes generally HAVE to be group based but there is still nothing to stop a fg from roaming.

 

[fotm]

By that logic all competitive passtimes should be conducted between replica entities to avoid any dissimilar or advantageous abilities or experiences from being used. All footballers must wear the same boots and have the same size feet etc.

We already have the difference in different classes and thats fine, it would be very boring if all realms had the same classes, but why some of them gets such huge advantages over others i cant understand

 

[Ging]

We already have the difference in different classes and thats fine, it would be very boring if all realms had the same classes, but why some of them gets such huge advantages over others i cant understand

huge advantages in particular situations doesnt = huge advantages over all

Peeps generally play to their own advantage. I generaly play my inf, i dont go attacking partiular classes because i guess i would loose, i attack targets that i believe i can win against (hence i use my advantages) - ofc that doesnt stop me from attempting to take a target out when i know i will die - i get bored sometimes and its fun.

I personally dont like attacking SM due to pet intercept (has taked my full PA chain before - much to my chargrin). I feel my class is unsuited to attack that class - tbh the same with BD's, but im sure a caster would have no quarms about attacking it. im just stating the obvious here because peeps get so wound up about a particular class saying it can do this and that whne it is only relative to a particular situation at a particular time.

 

[GrIrcSpammer]

so ... all u say is .... Dark Age Of Camelot is balanced HaehaHEahEhaheHAEhaheaheHAEHAHEAHEHAEHAEEH R L Y ....

 

[Helme]

so ... all u say is .... Dark Age Of Camelot is balanced HaehaHEahEhaheHAEhaheaheHAEHAHEAHEHAEHAEEH R L Y ....

aye rly

 

[Ging]

so ... all u say is .... Dark Age Of Camelot is balanced HaehaHEahEhaheHAEhaheaheHAEHAHEAHEHAEHAEEH R L Y ....

ok poindexter - care to explain why u think its not?

 

[Dukat]

so ... all u say is .... Dark Age Of Camelot is balanced HaehaHEahEhaheHAEhaheaheHAEHAHEAHEHAEHAEEH R L Y ....

"All I say" is that the game isnt as unbalanced as some make it out to be. I've heard of BD's taking 4 albs at once before, but then my scout's taken 4 mids under certian circustances before (agro on em, they not ready for me etc).

I've seen most classes played well, I've seen smite clerics take multiple stealthers down at once, what Im trying to get at here is that there is little point in going on about how overpowered a class/realm is when you yourself could be just as 'overpowered' if you work at it.

It just annoys me to see people calling for scouts to be nerfed just because alot of us know how to play our class.

 

[Tiki]

huge advantages in particular situations doesnt = huge advantages over all

Peeps generally play to their own advantage. I generaly play my inf, i dont go attacking partiular classes because i guess i would loose, i attack targets that i believe i can win against (hence i use my advantages) - ofc that doesnt stop me from attempting to take a target out when i know i will die - i get bored sometimes and its fun.

I personally dont like attacking SM due to pet intercept (has taked my full PA chain before - much to my chargrin). I feel my class is unsuited to attack that class - tbh the same with BD's, but im sure a caster would have no quarms about attacking it. im just stating the obvious here because peeps get so wound up about a particular class saying it can do this and that whne it is only relative to a particular situation at a particular time.

Mythic dont want a balanced game, its far more profitable to get people to reroll classes n hope that "one day" it will all be ok and balance will be achieved. You play an infil its your choise but then that class "had" a first chain 9sec stun that any lamer could mash till he gets it in and after that win. sm+intercept pet and bds are overpowered and I think any caster does have big quarms about attacking the class with 2 heal pets and a 5 sec insta LT. Daoc will never be even 50% balancedlet alone 100%.

 

[Tiki]

It just annoys me to see people calling for scouts to be nerfed just because alot of us know how to play our class.

Write a book imo

 

[Ging]

Mythic dont want a balanced game, its far more profitable to get people to reroll classes n hope that "one day" it will all be ok and balance will be achieved. You play an infil its your choise but then that class "had" a first chain 9sec stun that any lamer could mash till he gets it in and after that win. sm+intercept pet and bds are overpowered and I think any caster does have big quarms about attacking the class with 2 heal pets and a 5 sec insta LT. Daoc will never be even 50% balancedlet alone 100%.

a good point and i agree with you, i personally would not re-roll another alt mainly due to the cost in time+money to get it competitive in rvr, and by competitive i mean 50+ML+Artis+SC - as a part time gamer its taken me since toa came out to about 3 weeks ago before i was "ready"

 

[Dukat]

Write a book imo

Why? :O

 

[GrIrcSpammer]

ok poindexter - care to explain why u think its not?

cba if u cant see it for urself BIGSOZ

 

[Ging]

cba if u cant see it for urself BIGSOZ

actually m8, i thought ive explained my point of view quite well in this thread, i would like to hear yours. Ofc if u cba then you obviously believe that your point of view may not stand up to any examination.

ofc if i could already see it, would i require it explaining? would i even ask?

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

if a mid complains about an alb class all albs or all albs playing that class will consider it whine regardless of the facts or fiction in the complaints.

there is so many classes and it aint balanced out, those that chose "wrong" class will allways find this unfair... i think it's unfair that since i chose SB instead of Infil im doomed to run around with the odds against me in every assassin vs assassin fight.

i've recently changed server and realm to hib/prydwen, and playing a lvl44NS in open RvR there with 3 str relics prove easier than playing a rr6 SB with no relics.
heck, my lvl44 (rr3) even hits harder than my "fotm specced ToA tweaked SB"
after playing against my beloved SB class i pity them even more, and understand where the whine come from from all sides cos the whine usually has bottom reasons for starting when regarding class issues.
regardless if its OP'd or broken classes or wich realm they are from.

 

[poky]

forgot to add thurg bonedancer and eld to OP classes list..

Cant really say I think enchanters will be overpowered after the removal of the insta interupt tho.