Whining... why?

[Stallion]

forgot to add thurg bonedancer and eld to OP classes list..

Cant really say I think enchanters will be overpowered after the removal of the insta interupt tho.

I removed it from qbar thinking it was fixed, up until yesterday when I tried it on bb. used to not using it now

I see little difference in my performace, except solo vs larger numbers.

 

[Aerendur]

Its an interesting thread. But with such a topic, why not go to pure facts.

Look up the worldwide stats on server population, RP earned, relics controlled and more.

Then try to give facts why one realm would hold 50%+ of all those worldwide. In a truly balanced world, that would give 33% allround. With possible deflections to one side or another, but never over 40%..

 

[Eemma]

once u find out the psychology of "why" someone rolls a particular class then u will be able to answer some of those questions

peeps play this sort of game for all sorts of reasons

alot fo the whines on here are from 1 off incidents where they feel theat they came out of a particur fight badly - or they thought someone was cheating. U can look back in the history of FH (and in the old days BW) and you will see all the whine threads are similar in construct.

Initiall somone will roll a thread saying such and such is OP, or such and such did this or such and such did that. Some of it is due to inexperience with the other side classes but most of it is to do with a a players persona - what do they want to get out of this game.

I play an inf - it is considered to be an OP class. TBH i agree when i play it correctly it is, but i could give you a 2 hour video of my bloopers and fookups. Only yesterday did i fight jox and forget to change QB from crit line to melee - i felt a complete arse and was tempted to come flame him for running in a zerg - but when it came down to it i played badly, yes i would have died anyway from his friends.

Alot of the anger i see here is initally bought on by denial. U play badly and loose - its the other sides leet toons with max utility and there was nothign u could have done as they all play fotm OP alts. This self anger is generally directed ******ds and in some cases on these boards.

Further more its is the general dismissive and rude comments people write which escalates the anger and annoyance. Some peeps can brush comments written here away and some take it to heart. Unfortuantly the mods can only do so much in policing these boards.

Still i find alot written here v amusing, i personally kind of shy away from writing anything and let the threads go without my egotistical input.

Btw as u read these threads u will see alot of the posters are the same peeps - again and again and again.

One of the funniest things that makes ma laugh is the statistical analysis that goes on, it appears to matter alot of peeps that they prove themselves beyond all doubt that they are right.

my only adive is jsut to believe in yourself and have fun

Happy new year to you all.

Maybe if you open your eyes and face the fact you just might see the truth...
Just might

But I agree.. The whines about Nerf sorc etc etc was becuz I got pwned.. but not in a fairly way Tho.

 

[Harle]

Yes there are some minor imbalances

The thing is these imbalances add up, lead to frustration, and that frustration is then vented via the forums. Especially if these imbalances are so unbelieveable obvious, and it seems to be a mystersy, why the game developer hasn't evened them out. Of course the realms have to be different, but some things just make you go
For example:
- archer classes having different range
- assassin classes having different amount of spec-points
- hibs and mids getting a lvl 50 baseline nuke, 33 power, 2.6 casttime, 179 delve, while albs get a lvl 50 baseline lifetap, 33 power, 2.5 casttime, 179 delve :touch:
- albs get their 2nd demezz in an autotrained line, which was taken to 40+ by all players of that class, while hibs get it on probably the most useless and unspecced spell-line in the game
- stun/root distribution on nukers/healers
- no petspam class in mid
- 1875 range/400 radius mezz (+qc) vs 1500 range/350 radius +insta

I'm sure anyone can find more examples, and in no way am I trying to make all realms the same, but imo some of these "minor imbalances" really should be evened out, so we all can enjoy the game more

 

[Lizz]

Duakt reading ur posts make sense , keep it up =)

 

[Drege]

While people are whining over a game here on fh an estimate of 100.000 people have died by a tsunami in southern asia and the numbers increase as we speak. Think about it for a while.. How much does it really matter when you get wtfpwnd by a stealthzerg, a sorc, a scout or whatever? Imo /rel buff up gather some friends and get them f0*kers back 10 times. But most of all be happy your alive, theres plenty of people that would take your seat any time. This is a game and if you suffer soo much from dying in it maybe you should think about perma /quit.

 

[nOmoreCOAL]

As a scout I know im going to get some predictable person saying 'omg your a scout, ovaapaawaad' etc etc, but for one moment look at the game objectivley.

Every realm has its 'overpowered' class that is widely recognised by everyone to be above average. The Sorcerer, Spiritmaster and Chanter are these.

Everyone has thier own opinions but the truth is you still need to have some skill to play them well. Otherwise how is it that you can almost always tell who Starquake, Stajjijon or Kesa are on the battlefield just by looking at them?

sm overpowered !!!????? how can that be? compared 2 what? why do u think kesa is over powered?
frostalf startin piety 75 dex 55 avalonian startin int 80 dex 60
sm compared 2 sorc
sm aoe mez 1500 33secs sorc aoe mez 1875 34 lvl mez 350 radius 56 secs 44 lvl 400 radious 12sec
sm blue pet /very little interception of hit pet must be infront of sm / crappy debuffs interuptions sorc mez resist self-buff /mez resist chant /power regen /speed /amnesia 2300range 325radious insta / yellow pet + pet abilities vary
sm drain 183 dam 90% to health sorc 179 dam 60%
the only good thing about sm is that mez n drain r in 1 spec but sorc has drain as base so imo sorc >>>>>>>> sm

n lets not forget scout's range , inf dex weapon/ 2.5 point spec , iwinstrel chain /stealth /aoe mez ,firewiz 50 lvl bolt , theurg pet spam , cabby's pet chain stun
tanks suck in nf so dont bother about flamin savage n la
next time ppl should check class abilities n not lrp in duskwave b4 postin nonsense

 

[Dukat]

While people are whining over a game here on fh an estimate of 100.000 people have died by a tsunami in southern asia and the numbers increase as we speak. Think about it for a while.. How much does it really matter when you get wtfpwnd by a stealthzerg, a sorc, a scout or whatever? Imo /rel buff up gather some friends and get them f0*kers back 10 times. But most of all be happy your alive, theres plenty of people that would take your seat any time. This is a game and if you suffer soo much from dying in it maybe you should think about perma /quit.

Well said that man

 

[Dukat]

sm overpowered !!!????? how can that be? compared 2 what? why do u think kesa is over powered?
frostalf startin piety 75 dex 55 avalonian startin int 80 dex 60
sm compared 2 sorc
sm aoe mez 1500 33secs sorc aoe mez 1875 34 lvl mez 350 radius 56 secs 44 lvl 400 radious 12sec
sm blue pet /very little interception of hit pet must be infront of sm / crappy debuffs interuptions sorc mez resist self-buff /mez resist chant /power regen /speed /amnesia 2300range 325radious insta / yellow pet + pet abilities vary
sm drain 183 dam 90% to health sorc 179 dam 60%
the only good thing about sm is that mez n drain r in 1 spec but sorc has drain as base so imo sorc >>>>>>>> sm

n lets not forget scout's range , inf dex weapon/ 2.5 point spec , iwinstrel chain /stealth /aoe mez ,firewiz 50 lvl bolt , theurg pet spam , cabby's pet chain stun
tanks suck in nf so dont bother about flamin savage n la
next time ppl should check class abilities n not lrp in duskwave b4 postin nonsense

Did you even read my post? I mean come on people! you could atleast pretend to have read it?

Every realm has its 'overpowered' class that is widely recognised by everyone to be above average. The Sorcerer, Spiritmaster and Chanter are these.

Everyone has thier own opinions but the truth is you still need to have some skill to play them well. Otherwise how is it that you can almost always tell who Starquake, Stajjijon or Kesa are on the battlefield just by looking at them?

This thread was aimed against the whole 'omgz overpowered' attitude. Afterall, it is widely recognised that SM's are above average classes, I'm not going to start a big arguement over which classes are overpowered in this thread.

next time ppl should check class abilities n not lrp in duskwave b4 postin nonsense

 

[Aliorm]

Ok, so just recently everyone seems to be whining, albs, mids and hibs. I just wanted to know why?

As a scout I know im going to get some predictable person saying 'omg your a scout, ovaapaawaad' etc etc, but for one moment look at the game objectivley.

Every realm has its 'overpowered' class that is widely recognised by everyone to be above average. The Sorcerer, Spiritmaster and Chanter are these.

Everyone has thier own opinions but the truth is you still need to have some skill to play them well. Otherwise how is it that you can almost always tell who Starquake, Stajjijon or Kesa are on the battlefield just by looking at them?

Who said Scouts are overpowered? Just 50% poblation on Albion are Scouts, usually as hib, when we r fighting vs albs, we can kill around 2 scouts+.

Only high rr archers are doing dmg, the rest of Myrmidon hitting u for 100 dmg

 

[Dukat]

Who said Scouts are overpowered? Just 50% poblation on Albion are Scouts, usually as hib, when we r fighting vs albs, we can kill around 2 scouts+.

Only high rr archers are doing dmg, the rest of Myrmidon hitting u for 100 dmg

Did you even read my post? I mean come on people! you could atleast pretend to have read it?

Indeed who said scouts are overpowered?

I was using the reference to people saying scouts are overpowered as an example of one of the current whines.

Hello! looking for people to read the original post before replying. thanks.

 

[nOmoreCOAL]

Indeed who said scouts are overpowered?

I was using the reference to people saying scouts are overpowered as an example of one of the current whines.

Hello! looking for people to read the original post before replying. thanks.

scout fires farther than any other archer n any caster from the highest spot on the tower/keep n pops out of steath 2 do so n can do it as long as it take till his target is dead.he is godlike. low rr scout may fire few arrows more.
Dont forget about the shield n slam

Sooooo find plz a whine thread where there is about how overpowered sm r (not the whine from scouts that 1 arrow was intercepted by pet)
Posted whines about alb classes doesnt ring a bell?
Nooo , u live in yer own world n such posts shake yer dreams where u rox cause u r equal in numbers n in abilities but u got more skill
YES we will whine in the next year too, till the end of daoc ( 25th feb start of WoW european servers)

PS. explain what is this that make sm better than any other caster classes
dont answer " rumours"

 

[Dukat]

scout fires farther than any other archer n any caster from the highest spot on the tower/keep n pops out of steath 2 do so n can do it as long as it take till his target is dead.he is godlike. low rr scout may fire few arrows more.
Dont forget about the shield n slam

Sooooo find plz a whine thread where there is about how overpowered sm r (not the whine from scouts that 1 arrow was intercepted by pet)
Posted whines about alb classes doesnt ring a bell?
Nooo , u live in yer own world n such posts shake yer dreams where u rox cause u r equal in numbers n in abilities but u got more skill
YES we will whine in the next year too, till the end of daoc ( 25th feb start of WoW european servers)

PS. explain what is this that make sm better than any other caster classes
dont answer " rumours"

Mate, can you read? CAN YOU SEE THE WORDS THAT I AM TYPING?

The original thread WAS NOT A WHINE THREAD OK??

When I used those 3 classes it was an example of what people think, I perhaps could have used BD's as an example instead.

Why do you fail to see that I was not saying 'SM's are overpowered', rather that 'people may think they are above average utility'.

Every realm has its 'overpowered' class that is widely recognised by everyone to be above average.

This line does not mean that I am calling SM's are overpowered. OK?

I'm not going to start debating SpiritMaster's abilities in this thread, I dont want to turn this into just another whijn thread, if you want one go and make one, dont troll this one.

Why is it that if this is such an outrage, no sorc's or chanters are in here howling for my blood? because they can see that I-AM-NOT-CALLING-THEM-OVERPOWERED. why cant you?

 

[wittor]

FUCKING NERF SM'S

 

[Nemo]

FUCKING NERF SM'S

No, then I have no class that sometimes can get a solo-kill :/

Somehow the game is balanced,,,,,, exept realmpopulation and the scout-range vs hunters/rangers. Should be same! Thats my opinion/whine

I guess the scouts bowrange is why ppl call them OP.

 

[Jimmi]

You cannot compare sorcs to sm's.

The thing that pisses me off about SM's is the fact that their fully buffed pets will intercept all attacks, leaving assassins totally helpless vs them regardless of RR.

 

[nOmoreCOAL]

Since u dont whine dukat ,after all, why should u whine? ( "givf more mids!!!" after u n yer fellow scouts fired a few hundret arrows)

The rest have every reason 2 whine about overpowered classes

PS WTT 1 plat mid/exca 2 alb/exca 2 save jimmi from bankrupt since he lost 2 arrows b4 he hit a ramdom sm

 

[Dukat]

Since u dont whine dukat ,after all, why should u whine? ( "givf more mids!!!" after u n yer fellow scouts fired a few hundret arrows)

The rest have every reason 2 whine about overpowered classes

PS WTT 1 plat mid/exca 2 alb/exca 2 save jimmi from bankrupt since he lost 2 arrows b4 he hit a ramdom sm

Right mate I'm starting to get tired of your pathetic attitude on this post, from square one you've completely missed the point and done nothing but bait me into getting angry and tried to turn this thread into just another whine thread.

First off, 'mate', Jimmi is a INFILTRATOR. READ HIS POST BEFORE REPLYING.

leaving assassins totally helpless vs them regardless of RR

Assassins = Infiltrator/Nightshade/Shadowblade = NOT ARCHERS

Second off. You want to try playing a scout? it took me 1 whole year to get my scout to lvl 50, I started playing when scouts were considered a 'nerfed' class, infact someone in my guild told me that scouts days of being uber where long gone, it was a long time before SI let alone NF.

I struggled though it anyway and finally got my scout to 50 over a year from the time I'd made him and I did not do it just to be flamed by someone who obviously hasnt got a clue how to play the game let alone thier class.

Lastly

I for 1 realised i had some flaws in my statement on the scoutthread wich made me realise that im playin only half as good as i used to when i was lower rr and didnt have all the toafluff (mainly ML's) just because i can kill easier now. So i'll have to stop slacking and try to pay more attention to what my oppenent is doin...

Theseus shows great honesty in admitting the flaws in his original statement in the scout thread, therefore if rangers can admitt that perhaps scouts arent as overpowered in NF as they first thought, surely this is reason enough to show that alot of the whining about scouts is more unjustified.

>>>ALL OF THIS IS BESIDE THE POINT<<<

THE ORIGINAL POINT OF THE THREAD WAS NOT ABOUT SCOUTS BEING OVERPOWERED

It was not about ANY class being overpowered, just the fact that people where whining more about it than usuall.

OK? Do you get it now?

/edited at user request

 

[nOmoreCOAL]

I struggled though it anyway and finally got my scout to 50 over a year from the time I'd made him and I did not do it just to be flamed by someone who obviously hasnt got a clue how to play the game let alone thier class.

It was not about ANY class being overpowered, just the fact that people where whining more about it than usuall.

OK? Do you get it now?

I played all 3 archers in game in gorre for 1 month. I played 2 different scouts 1 w a bow n 1 w no bow pure melee scout. In sieges scout was soo boring shootin n killin anything in view n nothing could touch me. I found melee scout even more amusin slammin ppl out of nowhere. Ranger or hunter just couldnt match w scout in nf.

Ok, so just recently everyone seems to be whining, albs, mids and hibs. I just wanted to know why?

Ok rant over, cya all on the field.

U ask why ppl r whinin. Then a generalitasion that mids got an ABOVE average class like sm in nf(which is total nonsence). Then u rant us we should not whine cause all is fine...
U can start a thread but u wished u could stop it when it suits u

BTW i didnt find any thread where albs whinin but i did found lots of brag threads like kwidz n gratz threads 4 the new rr...

 

[Dafft]

I played all 3 archers in game in gorre for 1 month.

Ive played my scout for 3 years almost( 121 days /played)

you played 3 archers in 1 month which averages out to be 10 days per class

Stats > you!

Anyway, a well played SM is hard to beat, a well played scout is hard to beat. Well, every well played character is hard to beat. If you played a char for a month on some Test server without ML's, a auto jump to RR6 - How can you possibly think to say that Ranger or Hunter cannot match Scout?

 

[Dukat]

Ive played my scout for 3 years almost( 121 days /played)

you played 3 archers in 1 month which averages out to be 10 days per class

Stats > you!

Anyway, a well played SM is hard to beat, a well played scout is hard to beat. Well, every well played character is hard to beat. If you played a char for a month on some Test server without ML's, a auto jump to RR6 - How can you possibly think to say that Ranger or Hunter cannot match Scout?

Ahh finally someones found the point of the post!!

most classes require skill etc etc so why are people whijning?

 

[Dukat]

I played all 3 archers in game in gorre for 1 month. I played 2 different scouts 1 w a bow n 1 w no bow pure melee scout. In sieges scout was soo boring shootin n killin anything in view n nothing could touch me. I found melee scout even more amusin slammin ppl out of nowhere. Ranger or hunter just couldnt match w scout in nf.

U ask why ppl r whinin. Then a generalitasion that mids got an ABOVE average class like sm in nf(which is total nonsence). Then u rant us we should not whine cause all is fine...
U can start a thread but u wished u could stop it when it suits u

BTW i didnt find any thread where albs whinin but i did found lots of brag threads like kwidz n gratz threads 4 the new rr...

Congratulations, you've turned this into a whijn thread. nicely done. I tried to stop people from making this just another pap post about overpowered classes but you've just made it impossible.

I dont care what you have to say, I dont care what you think and DEFINATLY dont care if you think scouts are overpowered.

I just wanted to know why people like you are whijning about anything and everything. each realm has its advantages and dis-advantages, your realm's disadvantage seems to be people like you.

You think that just because you have difficulty killing a class then its overpowered. You say you've played scouts on gorre but this is a poor indication of real RvR indeed. on gorre its insta rr6, you dont spend time learning the class in PvE, you dont spend hours getting your equiptment togther and you dont learn RvR the hard way as others do at low RR's when they first ding 50.

It doesnt matter so much what class you are, I have a friend who playes his paladin so well he's almost unbeatable in 1 on 1, I've seen him pulling apart half groups on his own. The reason for this is the skill of the player, not the class.

This is what I was trying to say to begin with, I probably said it wrong, but you've gone off on a tangent spouting bable about scouts being overpowered, SM's being nothing of the sort, you generalise that alb classes are unbeatable and mid is a poor ignored realm that has only its skill to help it.

This is utter BS, has any realm got such an ignored class as an armsman? no. which realm has the lowest group utility ? alb. look at Catacombs, mythic has almost literally said that they're giving mid and hib overpowered classes to get more people to play the realm, so when catacombs hits i dont really know what excuse your going to have if you loose.

I respect certain mids and hibs, Gear, Stajjijon, Kesa, Horlely, Garbannoch and a few others. but you just give the realm a bad name when you come to forums like this and say things that make little or no sense.

To finish, I did NOT generalise that mid has an overpowered class, I did generalise that EVERY realm has an overpowered class, I dont really see why you are going on and on about SM's. It was an example, I could have said healers or BD's or somthing, It wasnt supposed to be taken literally, the idea is every realm has an overpowered class so why do people whine so much? I said that people like kesa still need skill to do what they do, because if they didnt, how come we all seem to recognise them on the battlefield just by sight?

I feel like ive said this 3-4 times now, why do you fail to see what im saying?

PS. to the other members of midgard/hibernia I apologise for the strong attitudes in this post, but I've had to make things as blatantly obvious so that "nOmoreCOAL" can understand it, I still respect you guys! honest!

 

[nOmoreCOAL]

Ive played my scout for 3 years almost( 121 days /played)
you played 3 archers in 1 month which averages out to be 10 days per class
Stats > you!

Anyway, a well played SM is hard to beat, a well played scout is hard to beat. Well, every well played character is hard to beat. If you played a char for a month on some Test server without ML's, a auto jump to RR6 - How can you possibly think to say that Ranger or Hunter cannot match Scout?

I had NO problem at all playin scout for so little. As i posted above, i went 2 the highest spot n started shootin at ppl w/o danger till they died. N after that i slammed ppl out of shadows n started crit shots. As i posted playin scout WAS very amusing compared 2 hunter or ranger.
If u want 2 strees that u need 3 years 2 understand how 2 play a scout ,just 2 have a look how things work, then u need another 6 years 2 get a clue about ranger n hunter.
WHEN u play all 3 archers THEN u can say which 1 in your own opinion is the best in NEW FRONTIERS.
I could play all 3 archers in thid but gorre is a better place 2 TEST things SINCE ALL chars were rr6 n had the same staff. Since u will NEVER have the chance 2 play a rr6 char of ALL archers in the same time U will NEVER have the feeling others have. So plz roll a ranger n then a hunter n maybe next year u can post yer own 1st person opinion.

N dukat, I give up. U r right i am wrong. I no longer play mids. I roll albs n my problem r solved as i think albs r op so no whinin about daoc till WoW hits europe.

 

[fotm]

LOLllolololol anyone who plays a scout got problems irl lolsLOL

 

[evial bloodstone]

The trubbel is that most of the playes who play an over powerd class do get killed to, so its hard to see that the class is over powerd. I did play a chanter for a while and hi got killed easy, but sometimes i got lucky and could moc and fire away and kill alot of mids/albs. I think that scout is overpowerd, cous the way rvr is done in NF, there shield spec gives them a huge advantage v ranger/hunter. I have read alot about this, and most scouts say that ranger/hunter got bether melee, that might be true, but it dont mather cous NF is all about towre/keep fights, so you almost never end up in a melee fight eny more.

 

[knighthood]

calaclya

are u gingger salty or asy atm , i get sooooo confused

and btw givf salty back someone i miss him QQ

 

[Gear]

if rangers can admitt that perhaps scouts arent as overpowered in NF as they first thought, surely this is reason enough to show that alot of the whining about scouts is more unjustified.

Scouts are not overpowered There you have it, ok now?

Dukat's a nice lad, i remember him from OF HW. He was playing his scout the hard way back there and definitelly earned my respect

 

[Dafft]

can I mention that on Gorre, Albions had the relics up until GoA fixed the guild claiming keep problems,

so ofc if you played a albion they would be pretty easymode.

But any realm with Relics becomes easy mode: 20% melee & magic dmg.

To those ppl who are moaning that albion is pretty easymode due to numbers ect ect ect - have you remebered relics?

Pre-NF - Albion had no relics for a long time

Cant you wait for 1.71?

 

[Dukat]

Scouts are not overpowered There you have it, ok now?

Dukat's a nice lad, i remember him from OF HW. He was playing his scout the hard way back there and definitelly earned my respect

/cheer!

Hehe long time no see Gear, good to see your still about! :worthy:

I would say we'll have to have a duel sometime but I'm still aching from our last meet at Erasliegh lol

 

[Poon]

If there was no whine in general on these boards then it would be bloody boring